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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Breconshire => Topic started by: Greygirl on Friday 16 April 10 22:28 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know if chapel records exist for the baptist chapel, now demolished I think, that was close to Llanspyddid and if so where they are kept? My ggg grandfather William Powell was born in Llanspyddid some time in the 1790s before moving to Merthyr Tydfil and marrying Mary Williams, a Merthyr girl, there in 1824. I cannot find any record of his birth in the parish records and since the family were baptists while they were in Merthyr and in subsequent generations I wondered if they may have attended the local baptist chapel in Llanspyddid. William probably had a younger brother called John who was living with William in Merthyr in 1841. Maybe this rings a bell with someone who can tell me something about the relevant branch of the (many) Powells of Llanspyddid. Here's hoping...
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Hi
google genuki llanspyddid.
This gives info of records.
Hope this will help you.
Omega :)
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Thanks Omega
I've tried googling a number of ways but no luck, apart from discovering that the chapel was at Pontestyll, so maybe there are no records anymore.
Can I therefore put out a call for any Powells from Llanspyddid who know of a William Powell in their family tree who fits the description in my original post? I'm trying to find out who his parents were.
Thanks
Greygirl
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Dear greygirl,
re. Pontestyll Bapt. Chapel, LLanspyddid. I have a transcript of the Chr. register & I surveyed the graveyard about 15 years ago-reorded all the legible inscriptions.
Garfydd
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Garfydd
A ray of hope!
Do you have any William Powells on record born some time in the 1790s - most probably between 1793 and 1798 - and if you do, who were his parents/sibs?
How did you manage to get hold of the christening records?
Greygirl
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Dear Greygirl,
I tried a reply yesterday & failed! There was Wm. Powell chr. at Llanspyddid P.Ch. 1792 one of about five children. I do emails in my local library & forgot to bring my notes with me-they were not marr. Llanspyddid. Nothing relevant in the Pontestyll "chr." register-the original is at the N.A. at Kew. How do you know that Wm. be born at Llanspyddid. Do you have the names of his first two sons & first two daughters=an indicator of Gd. parents names.
Garfydd
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Dear Garfydd
William gave his place of birth as Llanspyddid in the Merthyr Tydfil census returns 1851-1861. Using his age as quoted on the census he was born some time between 1792 and 1798. In the 1841 census there is a John Powell four years younger than William and what appear to be his children living at the same address as William, his wife Mary and their children which made me think that John and William may have been brothers.
William and Mary married in 1824 in Merthyr Tydfil. Those children I have been able to find are
Margaret Powell b1828
David Powell b1833
Lydia Powell and Ann Powell (twins) b07.09.1841
John Powell b1843
William Powell b1844
...though I guess from the spacing of the children that there were probably others who may not have survived
I looked through the parish records for Llanspyddid and couldn't find any William Powells christened between 1780 and 1815
Greygirl
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There was Wm. Powell chr. at Llanspyddid P.Ch. 1792 one of about five children.
Hi Garfydd
Are you able to give me the names of the other members of this William Powell's family please?
Greygirl
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greygirl
I am back!
Wm.Powell=Mary ---? name? M.Tydfil 1824.
chr. by William Powell & Margaret
William 1793-1797
John 1801
Will get back to you after looking at my recons.
Garfydd
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greygirl
I have just checked the 1851 for M.Tydfil where William Powell aged 54, a widower, is described as born in Merthyr Tydfil? Where do you get Llanspyddid from??
Garfydd
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Welcome back Garfydd
The 1851 census is wrong. The 1841 census says he was not born in Glamorgan and the 1861 census says Llanspyddid.
He married Mary Williams in St Tydfil's Church, Merthyr Tydfil on 26th June 1824
Greygirl
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Hi Greygirl :)
I also have Powells in my line from Llanspyddid. My line is through through William Powell born about 1820, the son of Richard Powell - farmer.
What I have noticed when looking for births in the IGI is that many are transcribed with the fathers first name as the surname. I found this out when looking for some other family members in Llanigon, and familysearch confirmed by email that my particular ones were incorrectly transcribed and were not as a result of old Welsh naming systems.
I cannot say if this is the case for Llanspyddid, but if you look through all the births (rather than search by name) you can find a 'William William' born to Wm Powel and Margaret - baptised September 1792, and also a 'John William' to the same named parents baptised in June 1795. There is also a 'Margaret William' to the same named parents in 1797 and a 'Thomas William' in 1790 and an 'Elizabeth William' in 1788.
Hope this makes sense
MarMnkly :) :)
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Thank you MarMnkly
Your tip has proved to be very helpful indeed and led to the discovery of a whole extra tribe of Powells, or Powels that I would never have found otherwise.
Best wishes
Greygirl
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greygirl,
Your Wm.Powell re. 1841 y/n??, re. 1851 bo M.Tydfil & Llanspyddid re. 1861? Do you have his marriage details?
I made a recon for him from the Lanspyddid BTs=one of 4 sisters and 3 brothers =William chr. 1792, Sept. 15 s/o William & Margaret. With further delving I came up with a problem=William s/o William Powell,farmer, buried 1814, aged 22. All events Llanspyddid P.Church.
garfydd
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marmunkley
Re. greygirl area. The IGI assumes automatic patronymics, thus William Williams s/o William Powell. This is a frequent mistake in the IGI, the system had virtually died out by 1800 and was not frequent 1700-1800. I have data on a Richard Powell family from Llanspyddid=the family of Glyn Davies, Chatham.
Garfydd
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Garfydd
Yes, thank you - I do have the marriage details.
I don't suppose you could give me the names of the 4 sisters and 3 brothers?
Greygirl
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greygirl
Thought I had sent this?
My best fit is=William Powell=Margaret -------, chr. Llanspyddid, summary of data
Elizabeth 1788 Oct.26
Thomas 1790
William JohnMargaretJohnSusanna
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And again William S.15,1792(bad news buried 1814, aged 22 s/o Wm.P.)
John 1795 June 28 buried June 19, 1798
Margaret 1797
John 1801
Susanna 1802
Will need to check the alternative as william s/o Richard Powell(reMarmunkley)
Garfydd
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MarMnkly - do you have a David Powell son of Richard Powell in your tree by any chance? David was born about 1815 in Llanspyddid & his father is shown as Richard on his marriage certificate in 1839. Cheers Eileen x
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Marmunkly
Anwyl Eileen a odi chi o Penwaindwr,
I do emails etc in my local lib. will have to check your enquiry at home. Slight problem two Richard Powells present at this time.
Could I have details of the 1839 marr?
Garfydd
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anwyl eileen
had a flash stick with me! Richard Powell(1806-1866-error in GRO)=Margaret Philips(a well documented family) buried Penpont, has 2 children David & 1girl.
He the son of Richard & Margaret Powell=my rec.34.20&34.21 on A4 sheets. I have been in corr. with some of the descendants.
Garfydd
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Annwyl Garfydd
Mae flin 'da fi am amser hir ers rwy'n gofyn y cwestwn. Fy gof fi sy'n ofnadwy!
The marriage of David Powell to Catherine Williams took place at Vaynor church on 2nd December 1839. David's father is shown as Richard Powell, Farmer. Catherine is shown with a patronymic surname of Evan & her father as Evan Williams. On all her children's birth certificates she gives her name as Catherine Powell formerly Williams. Catherine was from Blaengwrach near Glynneath.
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Since starting this thread I've discovered another older daughter for William Powell called Sarah, probably born between 1824-1828.
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Annwyl Garfydd
Mae flin 'da fi am amser hir ers rwy'n gofyn y cwestwn. Fy gof fi sy'n ofnadwy!
(The above is in Welsh, translates to, Dear Garfydd, I'm sorry it's been such time that you asked the question. It's my memory that's terrible!)
Trystan