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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Longford => Topic started by: lucytuck on Thursday 10 September 09 23:12 BST (UK)
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My great grandfather, John Tucker, was born about 1870 in Longford, Ireland. He married for a second time on June 19, 1892 at Saint Patrick's Pro-Cathedral Catholic Church in Newark, New Jersey, U.S.A. - he was 22 years old so he emigrated before that). His first marriage may have been in Ireland. His father was Andrew Tucker and his mother was Ann Casey. I would like any information on John and/or his parents. Thanks for your help. :)
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I dont see any Tucker births in Co. Longford, around 1870, but there ae a few in other places - e.g. Limerick, Tipperary & Mayo. One of the Mayo records is in the Claremorris district, which would be the closest record that I can see to Co. Longford at about 50km.
Full civil registration started in 1864 and you can search the index at this familysearch site : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347
If you find a promising match you can order a cert from the GRO using index details from the index. www.groireland.ie
Details they require are - name, registration district, year/quarter, volume & page (the other details are internal LDS/familysearch references and are not required by the GRO)
Shane
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1900 U.S. Census gives lots of details including month and year of birth, how long married, when arrived in U.S.
There's a John Tucker in Newark, N.J.: born June 1869 Ireland, to U.S. 1890 but he's married c1897 to Catherine and his mother Mary is also listed in household (she arrived later).
There's a John Tucker in Brooklyn, N.Y.: born Apr.1871 Ireland, to U.S. 1885, m.c1892 Elizabeth.
Are either of these your John Tucker? if not, could you give us more details like wife's name, names and ages of children, etc. so we can try to trace him back to Ireland.
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Thank You. His father was Andrew Tucker and his mother was Ann Casey (in Ireland). His second wife in America was Elizabeth Callahan and they married in Newark New Jersey at St. Peter's Pro-Cathedral Catholic Church on June 19, 1892. They had 4 children before he left her. My grandfather, George Tucker was the youngest (born in 1900).
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I think this is my John Tucker
There's a John Tucker in Brooklyn, N.Y.: born Apr.1871 Ireland, to U.S. 1885, m.c1892 Elizabeth.
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The John Tucker born Apr.1871 came to U.S. 1885 according to the census- aged about 14 years so you'd need to look in U.S. for his 1st marriage.
Try www.castlegarden.org for a John Tucker to U.S. c1885 and see if any arrived with other Tuckers (unfortunately very little detail in early records).
Also, Italian Genealogy website has lots of N.Y. marriages, etc.
Will do a bit of looking other places and let you know if I find anything helpful.
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Thank you so much!
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how sure are you about Co. Longford being his place of birth ?
The only Tucker matches in the civil index close to 1870 that I see in Longford is a James Tucker born about 1859 and deceased in 1880. His details are listed in the Granard registration district which is split between counties Westmeath, Longford and Cavan.
The three possible birth matches around 1870 are in Limerick (1867), Dublin south (1873) and Clones (1873)
Shane
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I tried www.castlegarden.org for a John Tucker to U.S. c1885, but only came up with a 30-year old John Tucker who came frome Ireland, but no Ann Tucker or Andrew Tucker.
In the census, where was he living, and who else was living with him?
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Shane,
I am not positive about Longford -- this is the information handed down through the years. But what about the one that aghadowey found -- born in 1871 and emigrated in 1885 and married in Newark to my Elizabeth Callahan in 1892.
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the search I did on the civil index (website mentioned earlier) included a couple of year before and after 1870 so so the results are the same
The three possible birth matches around 1870 are in Limerick (1867), Dublin south (1873) and Clones (1873)
Some of these would seem to be discounted as your John - as they are listed in the IGI on www.familysearch.org, and none of the birth records on this system have a father entered as Andrew.
The IGI is not comprehensive, but the civil index is. So it could be that one of the other John Tucker's births listed could have a father named Andrew, but the only way to find out for certain is to order the certs from the GRO.
Is it possible that he used the name John but it was not his regsitered name ? for example he could have used a middle name in later life. Another possibility is that his first name was not known at the time of birth and it was registered as 'male Tucker'
I am not familiar with US records but could a later census or state record show a more detailed place of origin ?
Shane
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Here's Andrew marriage on IGI under TOHER. but it's a Suubmitted entry. Sooo!!
Andrew Toher
Marriages:
Spouse: Annie Casey Family
Marriage:
12 SEP 1865 Granard, Longford, Ireland
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In the Civil reg.index, the 'Toher' name above is reg. as TOWER.
And there's also 3 little Towers, in the IGI, extracted entries. One of which is a John 1869 (nov or dec I think)
Now I'm either way way out with this one, or spot on.
See Irish Ancestors surname search on Tucker-Tougher-Toher etc.
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/index.htm
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One more- ::) Johns baptism appears to transcribed as TOGHER.
https://brsgenealogy.com/ifhf/login.php
So, IMHO I think the Tohers Toghers and Towers are all Tuckers !!
EDITED link-hopefully now correct
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"Here's Andrew marriage on IGI under TOHER. but it's a Suubmitted entry. Sooo!!
Andrew Toher
Marriages:
Spouse: Annie Casey Family
Marriage:
12 SEP 1865 Granard, Longford, Ireland "
Thank you so much; This sounds promising. Does it also show John Tucker going to America? He married in 1892 in Newark New Jersey. Does it show if Andrew or Annie went to America? What were the names of the other 2 children? Thank you....
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Go to the following IGI page, and just play about with various spellings- the results below show the only Tower births in Longford . Also check the vaarious spellings on the Irish civil index, and on BRSgenealogy.
http://204.9.225.200./Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
If you copy and paste the whole link above,and put it in browser, rather than just clicking, it will take you straight to search page.
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You could order the marriage cert on
www.groireland.ie
Give them this information
Marriage of Andrew Tower and Ann Casey (on the familysearch pilot site the spelling is Tower)
Granard Registration District
Date: 1865
Volume 13 Page 170
It is a good idea to include all this information as it makes their search alot easier.
There is not a specific field on the form for volume and page number but i usually write it in with the date.
You can use Granard Registration District, Longford as the address.
Also appears that Margaret Toher daughter of Andrew Toher and Ann Casey married Joseph Connaughton on 15-Apr-1910 in Longford source of information is the LDS site and Margaret died 15-Aug-1971. This information was submitted on the LDS website so subject to proof.
And this is them in 1911 Census
Margaret Toher 1911 Census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Aghaboy/Esker_South/650021/)
Also this Anne Toher in 1911 Census might be worth keeping in mind she is living in Killoe parish in 1911 which is just under 3 miles from Ballinalee.
Anne Toher 1911 Census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Corboy/Ballynagoshen/650774/)
A James Connelly married a Lizzie Toher Apr-Jun 1902 Longford Registration District Volume 3 Pg 201.
Ger
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this looks like a very promising lead .. following these Toher/Tougher/Tucker and now possibly Tower, spelling variations. I've heard of surname being misheard on entry into to the US, but this case seems to have all the variation even before they left Ireland !
Shane
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It's a new on me too, with such different spellings. On the other hand Tougher (I think it's that spelling) brings up Tower on IGI. It must have been the accent, perhaps a bit gutteral and indecipherable to delicate registrar ears--Only a guess though.
I also searched Ellis Island, I couldn't see anything for definate, but may have missed it. BUT they brought up many more spelling alternatives.
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I can understand Tougher being misheard as Tucker either on entry into the US or sometime later on..
At least this new line of enquiry has links to Co. Longford and your original thoughts on the county of origin.
Shane
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On the other hand Tougher (I think it's that spelling) brings up Tower on IGI.
Have to amend the above , not those spelings, must have been 2 others of the many variations.
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Thank you all so much. I did copy the 1911 census for an Ann Toher. Thank you for your help. :)
???I am not sure if this is the right ancester. It seems Ireland is harder to trace ancesters in than England, what with the name changes. My John Tucker would have been in the United States before 1890, as he was married in 1892 in New Jersey. She came from County Leitrim. They also lived in New York. He did leave Elizabeth Callahan (with 4 children). She remarried two more times, the last time to a "unknown Sloan". She is also in the suffragette parades n 1919 in New York. But I have no other information about John Tucker. Just that he was married one time before Elizabeth and that he left her with 4 children.
I did print out the 1911 census for Ann Toher. Thank you all.
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Hi lucytuck,
Where did you originally get the information his parents were Andrew Tucker and Anne Casey from Longford was this on his death or marriage cert etc?
Ger
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No, oral history from Elizabeth Callahan (who came from County Leitrim) to her daughter, to her daughter (my aunt). We have nothing in writing except the marriage in 1892 in Newark, New Jersey. And they did live in Brooklyn.
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1900 U.S. census (and other years) available on LDS Pilot site:
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections;r=0
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Thank you so much-- I have been going through, and although I have not yet found Tucker or Callahan, I did find my great grandfather and his father -- Moore.
I will keep searching through. Thanks a million! :) :D
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Hello
JOhn " JAck " tucker was my great grandfather. His parents were andrew tucker and mary cleary. He married elizabeth callahan from co leitrim in newark NJ @ st patricks in 1892.
I am looking for jack's birthplace and the name of the town, also where his parents are buried.
I don't know if he ever became a US citizen. Is is possible the Family name Togher was anglicized at ellis island as my grandparents spoke gaelic and perhaps it sounded as tucker?
Interesting and may be why I could not find the records in Ireland.
Any info woud be appreciated. Elizabeth Callahan was born spet 8 , 1873 and I am trying to find out where i. the town in county leitrim and her siblings. Jack's as well.
I assume Jack's first wife caey died as he married elizabeth in nj in 1892
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Elizabeth Callahan married for a second time to Pop sloane probably a nickname.
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This is my great grandfather "Name: John Tucker
b 1869 married 1892 st patricks newark nj, to Elizabeth callahan from co leitrim b sept 8, 1871 parents james callahan and elizabeth leahy
any info on the town in Ireland JOhn was born in would be appreciated.
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WOW!
Elizabeth Callahan, born September 8, 1873 in County Leitrim, Ireland, parents James Callahan and Catherine Leahy, came to America in 1888, and married John Tucker in 1892 in Newark New Jersey and had 4 children with him. Then he left (or died). She married someone else (don't know his name), but he died. Then she married Mr. Sloan (don't know first name). He also died. I remember her, a widow, my great grandmother, and sat with her in Brooklyn in 1958 in her apartment, but I have no photos. She died in Brooklyn April 25, 1963.
I am guessing that we have the same great grandmother!
John Tucker, born in County Longford, Ireland, (don't know the town) iin (1870 (or 1869)), parents Andrew Tucker and Ann Casey, married someone first (don't know who or if in Ireland or USA.) Then he married Elizabeth Callahan in 1892 in Newark New Jersey. He left her after fathering 4 children. One of those children was George Tucker, my grandfather, born September 27, 1900 in Brooklyn, who married Mae McDemott in Brooklyn and had 4 children and who died July 13, 1961 in Brooklyn.
I am guessing that we have the same great grandfather. Who was your great grandmother married to John Tucker?
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from st patricks marriage records JOhn Tucker married 1894 in Newark NJ born 29th april 1871 to andrew tucker and mary cleary/ How can we go about trying to find them in ireland? I tried the Longford and all ireland counties and cannot find a birth record - he emigrated in 1885 @ 14 years of age.
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I think the marriage tootsiepie found in granard longford for andrew tougher is my great great grandparents as I got the marriage certificate for their son my grandfather as follows in the US : TUCKER, John Age: 22 years Marriage
Wife: Elizabeth CALLAHAN Age: 19 years
Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1892 Recorded in: Saint
Patricks Pro-Cathedral-Catholic Church, Newark, Essex, New Jersey
Husb's Birthplace: Ireland
Wife's Birthplace: Ireland
Husband previously married
Husband's Father: Andrew TUCKER
Husband's Mother: Ann CASEY
Wife's Father: James CALLAHAN
Wife's Mother: Catherine LEAHY
Source: FHL Number 1398553 Dates: 1895-1895
the question is why would their son john list it as tucker if it was indeed tougher? odd how would one go about finding the grave in granard and death dates for andrew and ann his parents? this is a big mystery also do imiigration records have parents names and place of birth? and what resources are there in ireland online to research ?
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I am looking for my great grandfathers family - john tucker ( tucker was possibly anglicized from tougher, tower, or toher) born to Andrew toher and Ann Casey john was born april 1869 in granard
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You've already a long thread for John Tucker so I've merged the post you just put under Resource link for Granard to the existing thread.
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thanks john tucker ( aka john tower my great grandfather) b april 22. 1869 father andrew toher b 1840 in grandard married ann casey b 1844 in longford , ireland on 9/12/1865 in granard. looking for their place of burial