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Hello All,
If anyone can help to untangle a long standing problem, I'd appreciate your help.
In my Hodgson family there is Robert born c1828, and in the 1851 census I'm fairly sure he is shown as married to Hanah, who is actually Sarah but mistranscribed by the enumerator.
Everything points to him as marrying Sarah Hepplewhite in 1848 but in 1879 he marries in New Zealand claiming to be a bachelor.
In the 1861 census I have found on an Ancestry search that there is a Sarah Hodgen aged 32 with 11 year old William and 7 year old Benjamin, at Wingate.
Could anyone please provide the details of this family, and perhaps find any of them after this?
Regards,
Colin
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Hi
1861 Census England Durham Wingate
RG9/3750/87/29
Pickering Street
HODGEN
Sarah Head Marr 32 Durham
William Son Unmarr 11 Coal Miner Durham
Benjamin Son Unmarr 7 Scholar Durham
Karenlee
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Could you give a little more information out? Where was Sarah born, where did you find them in the 1851 census? Where is Robert in the 1861 census?
Is the 1851 census: HO107/2392 folio 245 page 54?
I don't know if you have the marriage but it was 21 Oct 1848, Kelloe St Helen , abode Cassop Colliery fathers: William Hodgson and Ralph Hepplewhite
I have a relative who went off to Australia in the 1850's leaving behind a wife and daughter. Later this wife remarries as a widow in the early 1860's. I think--well James must have died in Australia. A few years ago at a family name reunion a person from Australia is there and says she has one of my family's death certificate.--James and it was 10 years after the wife remarried as a widow. And he was married but I couldn't read the name on the certificate or find his marriage.
Janis
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The 1851 entry is most def Hanah.. there is also a son Mathew aged 2. Robert is a coal miner born Lumley Durham
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi Colin
Is your Robert the same Robert HODGSON, being discussed here by another researcher:
http://www.hodgson-clan.net/p5.htm
"....searching for missing links in my Hodgson Tree. Richard Reed Hodgson was born in 1748 in Durham. He married Elizabeth Middleton in Chester-le-Street. He later married Ann Stafford. I am seeking information on Richard’s Parents. I understand his Father was probably Thomas Hodgson. My grandfather Robert Hodgson was born August 1828 in County Durham, England. He emigrated to the Ballarat Gold Fields in Victoria, Australia and settled in Otago, New Zealand in the Gold Rush around 1861-64. He died in Cardrona, N.Z. on 16 Dec 1893, leaving a widow with 11 children, one being my Mother Alice, a twin, then aged 2 months old. Robert’s Parents were William Hodgson born 1792 in Morpeth and Ann Embleton born 17 March 1790. Robert had seven siblings: Mary, Richard, Maryann, Edward, Benjamin, Sarah and Elizabeth.........."
The only NZ marriage I can see is one in 1878, to a Bridget GALLAGHER?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Benjamin, Elizabeth and one named Margaret were baptised in Chester le Street.
Benjamin (Robert's brother) was buried Monk Hesleden St Mary's, age 21, 29 July 1852
Ann (the mother)was a widow in the 1841 census HO107/313/10 folio 44 page 1 Kelloe
There is a baptism in the Primitive Methodist records for Benjamin Embleton Hodgson s/o Robert and Sarah, miner, Castle Eden 24 Jan 1854. nost likely named after Robert's recently departed brother Benjamin
Sarah's parents were Ralph Hepplewhite and Isabel Crozier
Janis
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1861 Census England Durham Wingate
RG9/3750/87/29
Pickering Street
HODGEN
Sarah Head Marr 32 Durham
William Son Unmarr 11 Coal Miner Durham
Benjamin Son Unmarr 7 Scholar Durham
I wonder - if this is William - I can't find a better match in 1861 for the William below, than the one found above:
FreeBDM: Marriage: Mar Qtr 1869 Chester-le-Street
Wiilam HODGSON and Ellen MASON
LDS Search Labs - Marriage
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home
Chester-le-Street, 29 Mar 1869
Groom: William HODGSON 21, single, father: Robert HODGSON
Bride: Ellen MASON 20, single, father: George MASON
CENSUS 1871: at Canada - Chester-le-Street
RG10/ Piece: 4989/ Folio: 34/ Page: 26/
Head: William HODGSON 21, Engine man, b Cassop, Durham
Wife: Ellen 22, b Fatfield, Durham
Son: William 2, b Chester le St.
Niece: Mary McCABE 6, b Cassop
CENSUS 1881: at 12 Camden St, Southwick, Sunderland, Durham
RG11/ Piece: 5003/ Folio: 51/ Page: 32
Head: William HODGSON 31, Engine Fitter, b Cassop
Wife: Ellen 32, b Fatfield
Son: William 11, Scholar, b Chester le Street
Dau: Mary Ellen, b Carrvilla, Durham
Dau: Sarah 5, b Carrvilla, Durham
Dau: Isabella 2, b Carrvilla, Durham
CENSUS 1891: at 11 Ellerslie Terrace - Monkwearmouth, Durham
RG12/ Piece: 4148/ Folio 55/ Page 42
Head: William HODGSON 41, Planer, b Wingate Durham
Wife: Ellen 42, b Fatfield, Durham
Son: Wm. 21, unm, Insurance Agent, b Chester le Street
Dau: Mary E. 17, unm, b Carville
Dau: Sarah 15, b Carville
Dau: Isabella 13, b Carville
CENSUS 1901: at 22 Booth St, Felling - Heworth, Durham
RG13/ Piece: 4749/ Folio: 95/ Page: 19
Head: William HODGSON 51, Engine Fitter, b Cassop
Wife: Ellen 51, b Chester le Street
Gr-Dau: Ellen M VINCENT 3, b Sunderland
http://www.cassop-history-society.com/cassop%201.htm
CASSOP IN THE ANCIENT COUNTY OF DURHAM ( A HISTORY )
Cassop along with the hamlets of Kelloe , Coxhoe , Quarrington , Tursdale , Thornley , Wheatly Hill ,Wingate , Deaf Hill , Greenhill's ( known as Wellfield ) and Hurworth ( West of Wellfield ) , was theDistrict known as Kelloe Parish , until the mid nineteenth century
Cheers
AMBLY
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Wow, what a response. Thank you all so much.
Karenlee, thanks for the quick reponse with the 1861 details which seems to confirm that Robert left his family behind, presumably to join him later.
Ambly, the link to the other Hodgson enquiry does indeed refer to the same Robert and I have been in contact with Maryanne for several years. The marriage and census details for William certainly look promising, thanks very much.
Janis, thanks to you also for the details which you found, although I had most of them they were a difficult family to crack. You mentioned that there were 3 baptisms at Chester le Street, Benjamin, Elizabeth and Margaret. I don't have any details on Margaret, do you happen to have any more information? Her parents should be William and Ann. He was a seaman but had a short spell as a miner.
Thanks again, it is very much appreciated,
Colin
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In Chester le Street baptisms Margaret 29 Jan 1815 d/o William and Ann Hodgson of Chester, Husbandman? sort of sloppy writing.
Elizabeth baptised 7 July 1833 d/o William and Ann Hodgson, Houghton Gate, Pitman
Benjamin baptised 10 Apr 1830 s/o William and Ann Hodgson, Old Lambton, Seaman
Where were the middle of the bunch baptised?
Janis
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Hi Janis,
Thanks very much for taking the time to check. Margaret is not of the same family.
There are member submissions to the IGI for the family of William Hodgson and Ann Embleton who were married in St Hilda's, South Shields on 6th Sept 1815 (confirmed) but there are many blatant errors which took a long time to rectify. The problem we are trying to unravel is where their son Robert went before the 1861 census and what happened to him and his family up to his marriage in New Zealand in 1879.
When I had a subscription to Ancestry I couldn't find Sarah or children in 1861 but I probably used birthplaces to narrow the options and they were only shown as Durham so didn't get a hit.
Ambly seems to have found their son William so now I've got to try and find Sarah and possibly another 2 sons.
Regards,
Colin
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Well you know Benjamin died in 1852.
You haven't found him on a ship's manifest going to Australia? I found mine when he left in the 1856.
Janis
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The Benjamin who died 1852 was the brother of Robert?
The 'missing' one is the 7 year old BENJAMIN in 1861 Wingate Durham with mother Sarah and brother William - believed to be the family of Robert HODGSON who ended up in NZ.
There were two Benjamin Embleton HODGSON - of similar age.
one son of Robert & Sarah (bap 24 Jan 1854 Castle Eden Durham), and the other son of Edward & Hannah (bap 7 Dec 1853 Monk Hesledon Durham)
The respective fathers Robert and Edward being brothers, sons of William HODGSON & Ann EMBLETON?
The son of Edward & Hannah
His birth was indexed (freeBMD) and Baptism recorded with no middle name.
But he married in 1878 as Benjamin Embleton HOSGSON to a Julia RYANS and the Search Labs record of this states his father as Edvardi (sic) HODGSON. Benjamin & Julia are in the 1881 Census, their first child is named Edward. They immigrated to the US in 1884 and appear there in the subsequent Census - easy to find - they ended up in Pennsylvania.
I think - that Benjamin son of Robert and Sarah also immigrated to the USA, though the evidence is not so cut and dried as for his cousin.......
MARRIAGE - 1873 USA:
Of Benjamin H. HODGEN (or HOLGSON) age 21 and Isabella CAMPBELL age 18
Married 25 Dec 1873, Jefferson County , Ohio
Benjamin & Isabella must have returned to the UK - because in 1877, they are recorded re-entering the US, along with a daughter born in England:
1877: Passenger List for "Germanic" arrived NY 25 Jun 1877
Benj'n HODGSON 23, Collier
Isabella HODGSON 20,
Sarah HODGSON, Infant, 10 months
From England
Intending to become citizens of the USA
1880 US CENSUS: Fifth Street - 2nd Ward Steubenville, Jefferson County, Ohio
Census date: 3rd Jun 1880
Benjamin HODGENS 26, Coal Miner, b Engand, parents b England
Wife: Isabel 23, Keeping House, b Engand, parents b England
Dau: Sarah H, 3, b Engand, parents b England
Dau: Jessie 11 months, b in June, Ohio, parents b England (she must be about to turn 1 year).
(Note: been trying to find out the full middle name of the daughter Sarah! H for Hepplewaite would be good ;D ;D
1900 US CENSUS: Morton Street, Liverpool Township, Columbiana, Ohio
Head: Ben HODGSON 46, b Jan 1854 England, parents b England, imm 1868, in US 32 yrs , Naturalised, occ: paperhanger
has been married 26 years to:
Wife: E A HODGSON 43, b Sep 1856 England, parents b England, imm 1880, in US 20 yrs, birth 7 children, 6 are living
Dau: Sarah H HODGSON 23, single, b Jan 1877 England, parents b England, imm 1880, in US 20 yrs
Dau: Jessie HODGSON 20, single, b June 1879 Ohio, parents b England
Son: Ben HODGSON 18, b Mar 1882 Pennsylvania, parents b England, occ: B....? (pottery)
Son: Angus HODGSON 16, b Feb 1884, Pennsylvania, parents b England, occ: Presser (pottery)
Son: William HODGSON 13, b Apr 1887, Pennsylvania, parents b England, At School
Dau: Gladis HODGSON 3, b Oct 1896, Ohio, parents b England
(note they have spent time in Pennsylvania between at least 1882 and 1887)
1910 US CENSUS : at East 39th Street, Los Angeles, California
Head: Benjamin H HODGSON 56, b England, imm 1870, naturalised, occ: Decorator, House - married once, married 36 years to:
Wife: Isabel HODGSON 53, b England, imm 1870, birthed 8 children, 4 living
Dau: Gladys HODGSON 13, b Ohio
On the IGI is a set of submitted records:
Benjamin Hamilton HODGSON b Jun 1854 England, died Los Angeles, California
Census 1880 in Steubenville, Ohio
Married abt 1874 to: Isabella A CAMPBELL
Issue:
1) Benjamin Hamilton HODGSON Jnr b 19 Mar 1882 Pennsylvania, died 31 Dec 1961 , West Covina, Los Angeles, California
1900 US Census: East Liverpool, Columbiana, Ohio
2) Gladys Irene HODGSON b 12 Oct 1896, Ohio, died 12 May 1991 Los Angeles California
1900 US Census: East Liverpool, Columbiana, Ohio
The son of Benjamin and Isabella, shown as Ben in the 1900 Census, himself married the following year:
Ohio Marriages (Search Labs):
Groom: Benjamin H HODGSON, age 16 - b 1882 Merchantville, Penna, parents B. H. HODGSON & Isabella CAMPBELL
Bride: Ivy Estella CAMPBELL, age 17 - b 1884 New Florence, Penna, parents L.H. CAMPBELL and Emma J MACK
Married: 8 May 1901, Columbiana, Ohio
1910: Santa Barbara City, Santa Barbara, California
Head: Benjamin H HODGSON 28, b Pennsylvania, parents b England. occ: Painter, House; married once, for 9 years to:
Wife: Estella I HODGSON 25, b Pennsylvania, parents b Pennsylvania, birthed 1 child (living).
Son: Wilbert H HODGSON 8, b Ohio, parents born Pennsylvania
The son of Benjamin H. HODGSON Jnr & (Ivy) Estella CAMPBELL:
Ohio Christenings (Search Labs) :
Welbert Epplewright HODGSON, born 13 Dec 1901, son of Benj. H HODGSON and Stella CAMPBELL
Born: E. Liverpool, Columbiana, Ohio
And - there is a tree on A****ncestry, who name him as: Wilburt Eppilewhite HODGSON
The tree names his father but misnames his mother - and doesn't have any names back beyond his father.
There's more US Census & BDM to be found for them all - have just shown enought here to illustrate the growing theory....
Because I'm thinking..... ???
EMBLETON >> HAMILTON
HEPPLEWHITE >> EPPLEWRIGHT / EPPILEWHITE
Cheers
AMBLY
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Haven't seen the original to know if it's actually written as transcribed on Search Labs - but - this could be an indication of how "Embleton" became "Hamilton" in the US:
This is the baptism of the son of Benjamin Embleton HODGSON and Julia RYANS (Benjamin being the son of Ernest & Hannah)
Baptised 10 Aug 1885 Washington Tp, Columbiana County, Ohio - Benjamin Emilton HODGSON, parents B E HODGSON & Julia RYANS
(This family while ultimately settled in Pennsylvania, did spend time in Ohio - in the same county as Benjamin "Hamilton" HODGSON & Isabella CAMPBELL were also in for a while).
Cheers
AMBLY
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I've just got back from a busy day and had a quick scan of your replies, so please don't be offended by a quick reponse.
I am absolutely amazed :D :D :D
I think I've got another busy day tomorrow trying to sort out all the details, but I'm perplexed as to how you picked up on the right families with such scant information ???
I must be slowing down ;D
Many thanks,
Colin
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One son of Robert and Sarah was a Benjamin Embleton Hodgson as in the birth registration but a Benjamin Emilton? in the baptism at the Primitive Methodist church
Janis
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This has developed way beyond my initial enquiry and I must admit that I can't find fault with any of it. It all fits together like a jig-saw puzzle. ;D
Thank you all so very much, and I hope you won't mind me giving a special thanks to Ambly for all the details that she came up with (and so quickly). Absolutely unbelievable :o
I am trying to help Maryanne in NZ to piece together the movements of her grandad Robert born c1828 Lumley and who married in NZ in 1879 as a bachelor. (his brother Edward born 1825 is my gg-grandad).
Ralph Hepplewhite Hodgson age 1 and a half years, died on 25th Feb 1858 at Wingate, son of Robert Hodgson, Coal Miner, and was registered by mother Sarah Hodgson.
It seems reasonable to assume that Robert left England between 1857 and 1861, but where did he go? Maryanne has a possible Immigration to Australia on the Red Jacket from Liverpool to Victoria, arriving 12th Aug 1861, for Robert & Sarah Hodgson, but I haven't been able to confirm this, and in view of the 1861 census entry for Sarah it seems very unlikely to be right.
What would be the chances of Robert going to America and ending up in new Zealand?
Stumped,
Colin
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1861 Census England Durham Wingate
RG9/3750/87/29
Pickering Street
HODGEN
Sarah Head Marr 32 Durham
William Son Unmarr 11 Coal Miner Durham
Benjamin Son Unmarr 7 Scholar Durham
I wonder - if this is William - I can't find a better match in 1861 for the William below, than the one found above:
FreeBDM: Marriage: Mar Qtr 1869 Chester-le-Street
Wiilam HODGSON and Ellen MASON
LDS Search Labs - Marriage
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home
Chester-le-Street, 29 Mar 1869
Groom: William HODGSON 21, single, father: Robert HODGSON
Bride: Ellen MASON 20, single, father: George MASON
CENSUS 1871: at Canada - Chester-le-Street
RG10/ Piece: 4989/ Folio: 34/ Page: 26/
Head: William HODGSON 21, Engine man, b Cassop, Durham
Wife: Ellen 22, b Fatfield, Durham
Son: William 2, b Chester le St.
Niece: Mary McCABE 6, b Cassop
CENSUS 1881: at 12 Camden St, Southwick, Sunderland, Durham
RG11/ Piece: 5003/ Folio: 51/ Page: 32
Head: William HODGSON 31, Engine Fitter, b Cassop
Wife: Ellen 32, b Fatfield
Son: William 11, Scholar, b Chester le Street
Dau: Mary Ellen, b Carrvilla, Durham
Dau: Sarah 5, b Carrvilla, Durham
Dau: Isabella 2, b Carrvilla, Durham
CENSUS 1891: at 11 Ellerslie Terrace - Monkwearmouth, Durham
RG12/ Piece: 4148/ Folio 55/ Page 42
Head: William HODGSON 41, Planer, b Wingate Durham
Wife: Ellen 42, b Fatfield, Durham
Son: Wm. 21, unm, Insurance Agent, b Chester le Street
Dau: Mary E. 17, unm, b Carville
Dau: Sarah 15, b Carville
Dau: Isabella 13, b Carville
CENSUS 1901: at 22 Booth St, Felling - Heworth, Durham
RG13/ Piece: 4749/ Folio: 95/ Page: 19
Head: William HODGSON 51, Engine Fitter, b Cassop
Wife: Ellen 51, b Chester le Street
Gr-Dau: Ellen M VINCENT 3, b Sunderland
http://www.cassop-history-society.com/cassop%201.htm
CASSOP IN THE ANCIENT COUNTY OF DURHAM ( A HISTORY )
Cassop along with the hamlets of Kelloe , Coxhoe , Quarrington , Tursdale , Thornley , Wheatly Hill ,Wingate , Deaf Hill , Greenhill's ( known as Wellfield ) and Hurworth ( West of Wellfield ) , was theDistrict known as Kelloe Parish , until the mid nineteenth century
Cheers
AMBLY
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What a coincidence.
My Grt Grandgrandfather was born at 12 Camden St Southwick, 1871census he was 3mths old.
Sandra