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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lincolnshire Lookup Requests => Lincolnshire => England => Lincolnshire Completed Look up Requests => Topic started by: LizzieW on Tuesday 15 June 10 16:41 BST (UK)
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Hi
I'm looking for the death registration of my 3 x g.grandfather John Brand. He was born about 1784/5 - IGI has his name as John Brands on his marriage, as does FreeREG. There is a probable burial on the new Familysearch pilot site and also on FreeREG of a John Brand, date 29 March 1850 at Sleaford. FreeREG gives the burial place as St Denys, Sleaford. I assume this is the correct John but my problem is I can't find a reference to order the certificate. The only one showing up is for a Joseph Brand at Sleaford, June quarter 1850.
What is the consensus on this being the correct death cert? For all I know he was called Jo and when he died, whoever registered his death thought his name was Joseph. I think my 3 x g.gran died in 1842 but I've not got the cert to prove it yet.
Lizzie
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It sounds entirely possible, if there's a connection with the area. Have you considered asking the local register office? I've not had any dealings with that one myself, but it might be worth a try. They can often be very helpful. They will have the original document - Joseph for John may even have been a mistranscription when the copy was sent to GRO.
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I would ask Lincs CC, but this is what they have previously told me they need to find a certificate
Full name of the deceased - doesn't help if it was registered in the wrong name
Date of death (or at least the year) I could guess at the year
Place of death (the burial could have occurred somewhere completely different to where the death occurred) - I only have place of burial.
The above information is essential information that we ask for. Other helpful information would be:
Occupation (if retired, the occupation before that) if known Now that I do know, he was a chairmaker!
Last known address, if known. All I can give them is where he was on the 1841 census
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The burial on 26 June 1850 Welbourn, Joseph BRAND (73) was the Q2 1850 registration
How about this one?
Deaths Mar 1850
BRANCH John Sleaford 14 375
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Lizzie, is that from a standard form on a website or leaflet? Only a lot of those are geared to requests for relatively current events, rather than historical certificates. I've had success before by writing a letter outlining any details I know (even including childrens' names as possible informants, for instance), and sending it off with a cheque.
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Strange this Lizzie, I have never had any trouble with Lincolnshire. Is there any known connection to the cabinet makers we share?
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Hi
Geoff's suggestion of John Branch does look a possibility - there doesn't seem to be a burial to go with the surname Branch whereas there is for Joseph Brand aged 73 in Welbourn. He is a farmer on the 1841 census in Welbourn.
This could be a mistake in the GRO indexes by the original clerk (the actual typed entry in the GRO register is Branch - typed up at a later date by a typist when the old handwritten volumes fell apart, but with no checking done and the old register thrown out) or a mistake by the Lincolnshire registrar in the first place, or by the person who registered the death who may only have been present at the death, doing a nursing job but not knowing the family well, or it was a death registered by an institution such as a workhouse.
Regards
Valda
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i have never had a problem with being unable to give all the details exactly as requested to Lincs Reg services and i have ordered about 90 certs from them over the last four years.
If i'm unsure about anything then i usually ask them to note the details as "possibly" and let them use their discretion
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As usual Geoff I think you've come up trumps. Thank you. The burial I found on Familysearch pilot site and FreeREG was on 29 March 1850 at Sleaford. FreeREG gives the burial place as St Denys, Sleaford, so I would have expected his death to be registered in the March quarter 1850, but because I couldn't find the death on FreeBMD, or FindMyPast or Ancestry, I thought perhaps it had been registered the following quarter under the name of Joseph. I'll order the John Branch certificate from GRO when I get back from holiday. (I can give the name Brand or Branch which usually works when I have the correct ref.no).
The info I quoted was from an e-mail I received from Customer Service Centre,
Lincolnshire County Council in response to one I sent to them asking if they would be able to look for a death registration if I didn't have full details.
Roger - No, no connection to the other cabinet makers (my brain is going which Stanton was the cabinet maker?). John Brand was the great grandfather of my maternal grandfather, the Stantons are my paternal ancestors.
Lizzie
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Customer Service Centre, Lincolnshire County Council
::) Ah! Probably not someone in the registrar's department, then. I expect if you'd got hold of someone there you'd have had a more helpful response.
I'd be inclined to order the cert Geoff suggested direct from the local office anyway, with a covering letter giving the year and quarter, the last known occupation, and explaining the uncertainty re the surname. At least then if the bloke turns out to be a surgeon or a stonemason or something else wildly out, they won't charge you for a wrong cert.
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As usual Geoff I think you've come up trumps.
In a case like that, when you think that something ought to be there, just search FreeBMD on first name and see what comes up.
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Ah! Probably not someone in the registrar's department, then.
The e-mail came from the Registration Services e-mail address and gave me an address to write to if I didn't want to order on line, so not sure why it was signed by someone in Customer Service Centre. It might be a better idea to ring them up and discuss things with them.
Geoff - I should have searched just with John, my brain wasn't in gear. ::)
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Thanks to all, I'll call this thread completed now.