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Title: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Friday 25 June 10 10:40 BST (UK)
Looking for any information about Albert and George Whiffin and their families  living in Toronto emigrated from UK IN 1910.

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: jorose on Friday 25 June 10 14:26 BST (UK)
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/
 - are you talking about the family headed by Henry Whiffen and wife Marie that's in Toronto in 1911? (Although they're listed as emigrating in 1907). They  have a son Albert (b. 1890) and a George (b. 1901)

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php - Albert signed up to WWI and was not married at the time.

Are you looking for descendants in Canada or trying to track them back to the UK?
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Friday 25 June 10 16:45 BST (UK)
Hello Jorose,

Thank you for your reply.

Can you give me the details of the family in 1911.?

Yes that is the same family.  Henry emigrated in 1907 and Marie and their children emigrated in 1910.

Henry and Marie moved to Chicago in 1913  and Albert and George remained in Toronto.  However George is with the family in 1920 in Chicago.

1917/1918  George lived in 28 Henry Street, Toronto and 1924 Albert lived at 159 Christy Road and 331 McRobert Rd, Toronto.  (Addresses obtained from border crossings from Detroit  when their family visited)

So I am looking for any descendents, as I have all their details in the UK

Thank you

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: polarbear on Saturday 26 June 10 02:16 BST (UK)
Hello Scott,

You can search the 1911 Census yourself for free at the automatedgenealogy weblink the joerose posted. You can view the actual image by clicking 'split screen' near the top of the transcription page. This will give you more information than the transcription part provides.

Polarbear
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Lisa in California on Saturday 26 June 10 02:50 BST (UK)
It looks like Albert was still in Toronto in 1921:
http://www.archive.org/stream/torontodirec192100midiuoft#page/1437/mode/1up
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Saturday 26 June 10 09:26 BST (UK)
Polar Bear and Lisa,

Thank you for your help.

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: charlotteCH on Saturday 26 June 10 09:54 BST (UK)
Yvonne, if you want to find where they are buried you could search OCFA [Ontario Cemetry Finding Aid]...  free and online.
I've had spectacular success with it.
Worth a try as it gives leads about where they lived etc.

charlotte
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Saturday 26 June 10 10:54 BST (UK)
Hello Charlotte,

Thanks for the information.

I found two members of the family. Presumably you would have contact the cemeteries for further information.

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: charlotteCH on Saturday 26 June 10 10:57 BST (UK)
Hi again :)

You could try the cemeteries or ask for a lookup on RC using  the exact reference  that is at the end of each line of entry.
The references ar to various Ont. FHS who have put out books with the full MIs in them.

charlotte
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Lisa in California on Saturday 26 June 10 15:53 BST (UK)
Keep in mind that there were two Alfred Whiffin's in Ontario in 1911; they were ages 13 and 14.  The Alfred buried in Woodlawn may be the other Alfred.
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There are several Whiffins living in Ontario.  You could try writing to them, asking if there could be a family connection:
http://www.canada411.ca/
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Saturday 26 June 10 16:41 BST (UK)
Hello Lisa,

Thanks for your message.

Two brothers emigrated to Canada from Kent, UK  settling in Toronto, both had sons called Alfred, so it gets rather confusing.

Checked the website you listed and found some Whiffins, might check it out.

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Lisa in California on Saturday 26 June 10 17:07 BST (UK)
I have four branches of my own tree where they handed down first names; I know how confusing things can get.  ;)

Have you tried internet searches for the Griffins in Ontario (and Canada)?  I did try a few searches and didn't see anything; perhaps you might be able to find something eventually?  If you haven't tried searching, I might suggest key words such as: surname, first and surname, surname and first name, town, his/her occupation, died, buried, Kent, Marie's maiden name, etc.  It can take many hours, but you might eventually find clues.
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There are a few Whiffins in British Columbia:
http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-6BF5B9/search

Two Whiffins buried in Canada:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Lisa in California on Saturday 26 June 10 17:22 BST (UK)
You may already have this information, since you are only asking about Albert and George...marriage for Rose Jane Whiffin:
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/tor1926p4.htm

Again, you may already know about this site:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: cosmac on Saturday 26 June 10 18:24 BST (UK)
Albert married Jennie Chadwell June 2, 1919 and there is a border crossing for Albert and Jennie Oct 24, 1919 at Detroit.   They are going to Chicago Illinois and are accompanied by his brother Alfred, 21, carpet stretcher.  Albert is a plasterer.  Albert paid his own passage but Alfred's mother paid his and his record is stamped Psy infirmity.

Alfred enlisted in WWI so perhaps was greatly affected by those events.  Brothers Harry, Jack John and Albert also enlisted, all in 1916. 

Harry Whiffin died 17 Dec 1918 Chicago buried St Lucas Cemetery.

attempted border crossing at Detroit April 1924 for John J.Whiffen, b. Gillingham, father Harry Whiffin, brother Albert Whiffen 159 Christy Place Toronto, occupation plaster - he was debarred - criminal
With him was a Rose Whiffin, jeweller, b. Runcorn - also debarred.

Debbie
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Saturday 26 June 10 19:18 BST (UK)
Hello Debbie,

Thank you for all the information about the Whiffin family it is most useful,

It must be the son Harry who died in 1918 as his parents are on the 1920 Census.

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Saturday 26 June 10 19:23 BST (UK)
Hello Lisa,

I do subscribe to Ancestry, but can only access UK records.

I can access the US and Canadian records at my local library.  So will go and check next week.  At the moment we are having a heatwave here in England, so not the weather to be sitting in a library.

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: cosmac on Saturday 26 June 10 21:43 BST (UK)
Yes it was the son Harry that died in 1918.   Forgot to mention that on the attempted border crossing for John J. his last place of residence was Milwaukee Wisconsin.  Father Harry Whiffen was 3432 Fond du Lac St. Milwaukee

Debbie
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Saturday 26 June 10 21:51 BST (UK)
Hello Debbie,

Thanks for the extra information.

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: dhhound on Thursday 22 July 10 04:03 BST (UK)
There was definitely a Whiffin family living in Toronto in 1970, -  a bridesmaid at a wedding I attended. Maybe next week I will get a chance to check the Toronto city directories.
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Thursday 22 July 10 08:23 BST (UK)
Hello,

Thank you for your message.  Look forward to hearing from you again.

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: dhhound on Friday 23 July 10 18:38 BST (UK)
1908 No Whiffins/ens

1909 Henry and Henry Jr Whiffin, Plasterers, 96 Armstrong Ave

1911 Henry and Henry Jr Whiffin, Plasterers, John Whiffen labourer, 96 Armstrong Ave

1912 Albert, Alfred - Carpet Factory, Edward, Grace; Henry, Henry J - plasterers, John - labourer.

1913 Albert, Alfred, Florence - Carpet Factory, Henry, Henry J - plasterers, John - labourer 75 Armstrong Ave.

1914 Albert, Alfred, Florence - Carpet Factory, Henry, Henry J - plasterers, John - labourer 75 Armstrong Ave; Alice - Carpet Factory, Thomas - Bricklayer, Thomas - Shoemaker, William,  63 Armstrong Ave, Edwin 255 Brock Street.

1915 Albert, Edward, Florence - Carpet Factory, Henry, Henry J - plasterers, John - labourer 117 Lappin Ave; Thomas - Bricklayer, Thomas Jr - Shoemaker, William,  63 Armstrong Ave.

1919 Florence - Eatons,  1131 Dufferin Street

1921 Albert, Florence, 1131 Dufferin Street, Albert, 98 Pearson Ave, Edwin 59 Ward Street.


I have much more but need to collate it a little to make some sense. The later stuff probably deals with living people so you might want to give me an address I can PM it too.
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Friday 23 July 10 22:50 BST (UK)
Hello,

Thank you for all the information,  There were three Whiffin familes who emigrated from the UK to Toronto,  Henry (Harry) and Maria, Thomas and Alice, and Rose a widow.

The following enlisted in the Canadian Army.

Henry, Albert, Jack (John)  and Alfred sons of Harry and Maria. Alfred son of  Rose, Thomas George and William George sons of Thomas and Alice.  Henry jnr died in Cook County Chicago 17 Dec. 1918 probably of war wounds.

Albert marrtied  Evelyn Jennie Chadwell  2 June 1919, children Doris, Irene, Robert Roy and Norman who died 26 May, 1926 aged 18ths home address  94a Uxbridge Road, York.
Albert died 1965 Whitby, Evelyn Jennie died 1990 Toronto

1920  US census Harry, Maria, George, Florence, Rose and Ivy living 38 Ward Cook County Chicago.

Harry worked in  various places in the US with  stepson William Champness, (who married my husband's gt aunt Nellie)  but Maria returned to Toronto.

Alice daughter of Rose married John Beasley  3 July 1911 York
Alice daughter of Thomas and Alice married Edgar Hollands Porter 25 July 1922.
Edgar died in 1973 and Alice died in 1985 in London Ontario
Edwin son of Rose m Ella Margaret Philbrook 28 Dec 1916.  Ella died 18 April 1928  in childbirth, 59 Ward St. Toronto
Alfred son of Rose m Margaret Bruce Locker Guelph 1 Aug 1925.
Alfred died in Guelph no date Woodlawn Cemetery
Florence wife of J Harold Stevenson no date, Percy, Northumberland, Trent Valley Cemetery.
Thomas Whiffin died 31  Jan  at 19 Manor Road West, informant son Thomas 253 Manor Road West
Maria Whiffin died 15  Nov 1936  Toronto Harry living 123 Woodbine Ave  Toronto

I hope the above is of some help 

Yvonne


Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: dhhound on Friday 23 July 10 23:58 BST (UK)
I've picked out the Edwin connection to write up first as its the slightest. He was still living at 59 Ward Street in 1951. He was the only Whiffin at that address at that date but in 1949 Robert Whiffin also lived there. Edwin is not in the 1972 listing, presumably deceased. It looks as if he moved into the 59 Ward house around 1920, and lived there from then on.  By 1972 there is an R. Whiffen at 2323 Lakeshore Blvd W, and a Robert Whiffin at 512 Durie.

I'm trying to make some sense of the 1920/1930s entries, I didn't check every year but if there is a year that's of special interest it might come to light and I can make another trip.
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: Scott1940 on Saturday 24 July 10 08:30 BST (UK)
Hello,

Thank you so much for doing all this research for me,

I am doing the research for William Champness's youngest daughter  Betty now 82 and her daughter Mary, who both live in Phoenix, Arizona.

I have been gradually unravelling the Whiffin family in Canada after emigrating in the early 1900's.

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: dhhound on Saturday 24 July 10 14:59 BST (UK)
Here are the 1920's listings. They seem to vary greatly as if who got listed changed.  But I hope they spread some light.

1921    Florence                       1131 Dufferin
   Albert                      1131 Dufferin
   Albert         Gunn’s Ltd         98 Pearson Ave
   Edwin         Shoemaker         59 Ward Ave

1922    Florence      Examiner Eaton’s Ltd         1131 Dufferin
   Alice         Operator Eaton’s Ltd      1131 Dufferin
   Thomas Jr                     1131 Dufferin
   Thomas         Bricklayer            1141 Dufferin

1923    Florence      Burler Carpets            165 Lansdowne
   Thomas         Bricklayer            67 Millicent
   Edwin         Shoemaker         59 Ward Ave

1924    Minnie Whiffen      Widow            81 Pleasant Blvd
   Edwin         Shoemaker         59 Ward Ave
   James         Plasterer            7A Clinton Place
   Thomas         Bricklayer            19 Manor Road

1925     Albert Whiffen      Labourer            93 Miller Ave
   Minnie Whiffen                  165 Crescent
   Edwin         Shoemaker         59 Ward
   Florence                     19 Manor Road
   Thomas         Bricklayer            19 Manor Road
   Florence      Eaton’s               959A Bloor Street
   Ivy                     959A Bloor Street
   John                     959A Bloor Street
   Maria          Widow   Henry         959A Bloor Street
   Rose                     959A Bloor Street

1926    Edwin                     59 Ward
   Florence      Forelady Eaton’s            394A College
   Ivy                     394A College
   John         Lather            394A College
   Maria                     394A College
   Rose                     394A College
   Thomas         Foreman            212 Pearson
   Thomas         Shipper Salvation Army      19 Manor

1927    Edwin                     59 Ward
   Albert                     94A Uxbridge
   Herbert                     94A Uxbridge
   Thomas                     19 Manor Road

1928   Albert                     102 Curzon
   Edwin                     59 Ward
   Ruth                     253 Manor Road
   Thomas                     253 Manor Road
   Thomas                     19 Manor Road
   William                     19 Manor Road

1929   Thomas         Salvation Army         19 Manor Road
   Thomas         Shoemaker         253 Manor Road
   E                     2246A Bloor Street
Title: Re: re Whiffin- Toronto, Canada
Post by: dhhound on Saturday 24 July 10 21:48 BST (UK)
1930's and 40's


1930   Thomas         Salvation Army         19 Manor Road
   Thomas         Shoemaker         253 Manor Road

1933   Alice                     19 Manor Road
   Albert                     150 Waverley
   Edwin                     59 Ward
   John J                     545A St Clair
   Thomas G      Shoemaker            344 Hillsdale

1935   Alice         Widow Thomas         19 Manor Road
   Albert                     150 Waverley
   Edwin                     59 Ward
   Ivy                     553A St Clair
   Thomas G      Shoemaker            253 Manor Road
   William                     17 Manor Road

1939   Albert                     284 Waverley
   Alice         Widow Thomas          19 Manor Road
   Edwin                     59 Ward
   Henry                     284 Waverley
   Ivy                     284 Waverley
   Thomas         Shoemaker         253 Manor Road
   William J                     35 Hansen

1940   Albert                     284 Waverley
   Alice         Widow Thomas         19 Manor Road
   Edwin                     59 Ward
   Thomas         Shoemaker         253 Manor Road
   William J                     35 Hansen
   Henry                     437 Kingston Road

1949   Irene Whiffen                   437 Kingston Road
   Albert                     437 Kingston Road
   Irene                     437 Kingston Road
   Henry                     437 Kingston Road
   Robert                     437 Kingston Road
   Robert Whiffen                   59 Ward
   Edwin                     59 Ward
   Theresa Whiffen                  470 Westmount
   Lottie                     260 Windermere
   Thomas                     253 Manor Road
   William                     83 Kenwood