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Some Special Interests => One Name Studies => One Name Studies: A to G => Topic started by: behindthefrogs on Monday 05 July 10 22:50 BST (UK)
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As the original one name thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,129116.0.html
has been locked for sometime I have decided to open a new one.
Can I suggest that those who are interested identify their link into this family and how far back they have managed to get.
I have no specific link with this branch of Edlins but do have large tree back to 1580 in Denton and I am aware of the collection of information from wills which show possible links back to William Edlyn born 1490.
My own interest is a one name study of the Edlin family worldwide.
David
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Hi David
I'm a direct descendant of this branch and my Tree goes back to John and Emme Edlying (d 1515). I have just started the Tree in GR and you contacted me (Maria), and sent me your document on the Leicestershire branch. I also sent you what I had - hope you received it OK. My interest is to complete the family tree and gather any history concerning my ancestors.
Maria
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I wonder if any of you have comments on the early families which seem to link to our trees.
There seem to be fairly solid links back to John Edlin born c1580 in Denton who married Margaret in 1601. However there is a possible line further which seems to be based on wills. Has anyone access to these wills or any supporting information? The details that I have are:
Emma Edling born 1515 m 1535 spouse? child:
William buried 1538 Redmile (conflicts with next entry) 65
65) William Edlyn born 1490 buried 1538 Redmile (* mentioned in will) children:
Elizabeth Edlyn b Redmile * married Robert Burton 15 Feb 1574 Knipton
George Edlinge buried 1582,Belton 63
John Edlinge born 1513 buried 1583 , Nipton * 64
Thomas Edlinge buried 1585 , Grantham
Annye *
Margaret (deceased in 1538) *
64) John Edlynge born 1513 died Sept 1582 Knipton (also mentioned in will Catherine Claxton5, Ennis(?) her child, Elizabeth Burday) buried 1583 Knipton. From his will children
Allice married Fletcher
William eldest son
Robert
Johan (daughter)
Rychard 55
John
Agnes
This John could well be the husband of Emma above.
63) George Edlinge buried 1582 ,Belton , m ? child:
William Edlinge buried 1607 Knipton 62
62) William Edlinge died and was buried Knipton 1607 from his will married Anne (Ann Adcock 26 Oct 1586 Knipton?), sister Anne with two children. His children:
(Daughter married?) Roger Clayton (Claxton?)
Michael Fletcher
Richard Edlyn buried 1631, Knipton 61
61) Richard Edlyn buried 1631,Knipton m ? children:
Richard Edlin buried 1677 m ?
William Edlin buried 1677, Croxton Kerrial
55) Richard Edlin born 1544 married Katherine Cunnans (born 1553). He died 1612
Elizabeth Edlin born Redmile
John Edlin born 1580 Denton (mentioned above)
The cross reference numbers are from my records.
David
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Hi
From my source, Emme Edlyng was the widow of John Edlyng, and died in 1515.
Maria
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Hi Maria,
Your Emme could be my Emma as my source used b to mean burial or birth randomly. If you then reject the marriage in 1535 then we may have the parents of William who died in 1538 as John and Emma.
David
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Yes, I agree.
Extract for Leicestershire Archealogical and Historical Society report:
"... and Emme Edlying, widow of John Edlying, was the only parishioner of St. Mary's to endow an obit. She made a charge of xx a year on her property in Knighton for a Mass to be celebrated on "St Sulpir Day, 17th January" in St Mary's Church"
It would be interesting to know what her maiden name was.
Does anybody else have information on Emme?
Maria
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Hi again,
I have as children of John and Emme Edlyng:
Emmott (b.c. 1485) m Thomas Bolton, Margaret (b.c. 1490) m Edward Lyddyrland and William Edlyn (b.c. 1488) d. 1538 Redmile. William with a query mark.
Maria
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What's going on? The Edlin thread locked and here no-one answering!!!
Why do we have to identify ourselves, David, and say what interest we have in this branch? Why are you interested in the Edlins, if you have no link to MY family?
I would appreciate a reply, please.
Maria EDLIN
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My interest is identified in the original post. The reason main reason that I suggested that others do the same was so that they get notifications of new posts. When I have a spare half hour I will send the details of this new thread to all the people on my contact list.
David
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Thanks for the reply.
Maria
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Hi David, hi Maria, and hi to any others. This post is to 'register' interest in the thread.
I, too, am a direct descendent of the Lincs/Leics line, my mother having been an Edlin.
I'm not sure I have much more than David has, although I keep promising myself I'll add a few snippets to your latest document!
Regards to all, Peter
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HI, I too am a direct descendant of this line, I'm descended from George Robert Edlin who sailed from England to NZ on the "Joseph Fletcher". I have no other information than what David has but if you have any more detailed info Maria I would love to see it :)
Stacey
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oh David I'm slowly updating the NZ Edlins document you sent me, when I have more birthdates of my cousins etc. I will send it back to you :)
Stacey
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Hi everyone,
This is what I've got:
William Edlyn b. 1490 d.1538 Redmile (son of John and Emme Edlyn ?)
His Children:
John Edlynge b. 1513 buried 1583, Elizabeth, Annye and Margaret.
Then John Edlynge b.1513 d. 1582
His Children:
Catherine m Claxton
William
Allice m Fletcher
John
Robert Edlynge
Elizabeth m Robert Burden/Burton
Richarde m Katherine Cunnans
John
Agnes
Then according to your records David:
Richarde b. 1544 d. 1612 married Katherine Cunnans:
Children were John Edlyn b. 1580 Denton, Elizabeth b. Redmile, and I have a Grace Edlyn b. 1576 Denton
Maria :)
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I wonder if the Catherine Claxton who was mentioned in the will of John Edlynge (1513) was in fact the daughter of his nephew William son of George who I have marrying Roger Clayton (or Claxton)
David
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I am still working on the info you sent to me David. I would be interested in any new info regards the NZ line. Got grandchildren staying at present so once they are gone I will be back into it.Thanks everyone who has help me in my quest.
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Hi David
This is what I have:
I don't have George Edlinge (buried 1582 Belton) on my tree, although I've pencilled him in as son of William Edlyn b.1490 from your notes.
I have John Edlynge b 1513 m Unknown
His son William Edlinge b c 1540
His son William Edlyn b. 1565 Denton m. Ann Adcock 1586 Knipton
Now it gets a bit muddled. This marriage had 2 daughters - I have no names for them. One married Roger Claxton (Grandson of Catherine Claxton), and the other married Michael Fletcher (Grandson of Allice Edlyn and Fletcher). So the daughters married cousins.
I have no details on the Claxton son of Catherine, and only the name Anne, mother of Michael Fletcher, who was sister of William b. 1565 Denton. Seems to be a lot of in-breeding here and it may not be correct.
Maria :)
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The only place where we seem to differ is whether it was William the son of William or William the son of George who married Ann Adcock.
The William who married Anne seems to have had a sister also called Ann who currently doesn't fit anywhere. This latter Ann could of course have been the wife of a brother as in those days the term "in law" had a different meaning.
David
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Wasn't it common to name children after dead children that preceded them? Could that be the case here?
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No, there is no question of brothers being involved. George was William's uncle and they both had a son William. As one of the sons William married Ann Adcock in 1586 it seems slightly more likely, just in terms of dates, that he was George's son.
David
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Yes, we differ on that point as to whether it was George (bur. 1582) or William (b,1540), the father of William who married Ann Adcock. I have no access to records - can anyone help?
This William (b1565 Denton) had a sister called Anne who had two children. I have her as marrying a Fletcher, as one of her children was called Michael Fletcher, who married his cousin - one of the daughter's of William and Ann Adcock.
Maria
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Hi everyone
Just a snippet:
I have found Edlin in two historical references. The first is in the poem called The Hoianau which is included in the Black Book of Carmarthen, which although written in the 13th century contains poems relating to events that took place centuries earlier including heroes of Dark Age Britain.
In this poem we find an unnamed man addressing a pig and prophesying the success or failure of the Welsh in forthcoming battles. The following is just one verse, which mentions the lands of Eddlyn:
The Hoianau (Greetings)
O listen little pig
O blessed pig
The sibyl has told me
A frightful thing:
When Llogria encamps
In the lands of Eddlyn
Making Deganwy a strong fort
Between Llogria and Cymru,
A child will appear leaping
And the Franks will flee.
At Aber Dulas they will fall
Sweating in bloody garments.
Llogria – what is now England
Franks – Normans (The name may have been changed by scribe writing in 13th Century)
Cymru – Wales
Aber Dulas – West Coast of Wales
Deganwy Castle in the 6th century was fortified as the stronghold of the king of Gwynedd, North Wales
And the LANDS OF EDDLYN……!!!
Any thoughts?
Maria
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It may not be relevant but "edlyng" I believe is welsh for heir apparent.
David
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Hi Everyone!
I've found some Edlyns living in Leicester in the 14th century from the Borough Records:
William Edelyn of Leicester, Carpenter. (Also described as William Edelyn de Swannington de Leicester)
He was married to Isabella. They lived in the North Suburb. First mention: Oct 2 1346 where he receives rent from lands in North Suburb.
William Edelyn married to Agnus, who had a son also called William. Also lived in the North Suburb. Mentioned in Jan 10 1385 when land is granted to Agnus, wife of William Edelyn and William her son.
Here there are three William Edelyns.
In the 15th Century;
William Edelyn, Corvisor mentioned Nov. 8 1451. (This could be William son of Agnus)
Thomas Edelyn, Corvisor mentioned Nov. 20 1451
John Edling is first mention on May 2 1492 on Subsidy Roll. He was Town Chamberlain with Robert Knolles in 1494/95. He lived in the South Gate area and was probably the husband of Emme (Emmelina) Edling who died in 1515. If so they are both buried in St Marys de Castro, Leicester, where they lived close by.
Maria
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Hi Everyone here.
I can't believe what I am finding on your forum. I am a descendant of one of the Edlins who came to New Zealand.
My Grandfather was Tom Edlin who was one of the children who came out to New Zealand with his parents Henry and Mary Edlin.
I found the Shipping passenger list showing me my Gt Grandparents details and then after searching for their details was lucky to find this group.
I would love to get more information if anyone is able to share.
If I can help you with information from New Zealand please don't hesitate to ask. Would love to help put this puzzle together.
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Hi Rosemary, great to have another contributor. The most comprehensive information among the contributors here is from David ('Behind the Frogs'), who maintained (and hopefully still does) a Word-based document with Edlins almost from the Ark, including the several brothers who emigrated to NZ.
I wouldn't presume to speak before him, but if he's no longer on this site or thread (it's over three years since I was in contact with him), I can share the documentation that I have from him, if you have an e-mail I can use.
Regards, Peter
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Don't worry, he's still around, and still a regular Rootschatter, so I'm sure he'll be answering soon :)
If he doesn't I'll send him a PM.
regards,
Bob
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That is wonderful to know that this research is continuing.
I'd live to have a copy of what you have found so far Maybe I can add some more information to the list.
How do I get you my email address. I understand it's not recommended to make it available via a message here.
Thank you Peter and Bob for answering my post. I'm so excited to get into some family tree research.
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Hi Rosemary,
just reply to this and you will then be able to use the RootsChat Private Message (PM) system for any confidential information.
I've sent a PM to behindthefrogs to alert him to your interest in this topic :)
regards,
Bob
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Thanks for looking at my enquiry.
I'm really excited to learn more about my family history.
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Rosemary - the ceremonies remembering the start of the Gallipoli campaign reminded me that another Edlin (your Henry's second cousin) died of typhus in that part of the world while in military service.
His probate reads: "EDLIN Arthur Laban Leeder of 12 Snows Cottages Falmouth Cornwall private 2nd Battalion Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry died 10 April 1919 in Mesopotamia Administration London 11 December to Kate Edlin widow. Effects £40"
I have not yet looked at his service record in detail, but he is buried in the Tiflis British Cemetery and was awarded the WWI war Medal.
Regards, Peter
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Arthur is commemorated on the Haidar Pasha Memorial at Istanbul.
David
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Thank you David and Peter for this information.
Do you know where I may be able to see or obtain any documentation.
My main goal with tracing my family tree is to give my own children a history of where they come from.
Thank you all so much for your help.
Rosemary
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As the original one name thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,129116.0.html
has been locked for sometime I have decided to open a new one.
Can I suggest that those who are interested identify their link into this family and how far back they have managed to get.
I have no specific link with this branch of Edlins but do have large tree back to 1580 in Denton and I am aware of the collection of information from wills which show possible links back to William Edlyn born 1490.
My own interest is a one name study of the Edlin family worldwide.
David
I am here as I have recently learned of my family history going back to 24th October 1856 when the ship 'Joseph Fletcher' arrived in NZ. I descend from William Edlin who was 7 months old at time of arrival to New Zealand. It is the family tree from here that I am very interested in and perhaps could even ad to it.
Would anyone like to assist me?