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My maternal Great Great Aunt - Agnes Stokes (born on 16th June 1879 in Aberdeen, Scotland) at the age of 28, who was trained as a nurse, left her Parents and siblings and sailled for a new life in New York in late 1911 - she is reputed to have married before WW1, a German immigrant living in New York called Wilhelm Warnken - - the only other peices of informaton we have are fragments of information taken from old postcards which survived the blitz in Scotland - namely that Wilhelm and Agnes had we believe 3 children - George, William and Ernest and that Wilhelm had driven the Ice Wagon.
What happened to Agnes after her arrival in New York is is a mystery - we dont know when exactly she arrived , who she stayed with, when she and Wilhelm married or any information about her family life and what happened to her and her children.
So any information will all be greatly appreciated.
Regards - Luc.
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Agnes Stokes arrived N.Y. on 22 Sept.1911 on Cameronia from Glasgow,Scotland. See www.ellisisland.org for more details such as person she was going to, nearest relative in U.K.,etc.(site isn't working at the moment but just keep trying).
Agnes Stokes married 16 Aug.1912 Manhattan,N.Y. to Wm. E. Wamken according to www.italiangenealogy.com. www.italiangenealogy.org
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1930 Census Manhattan, New York,
William Warnken 44 Born Germany. Married at 27 years. Immigrated 1900 Driver. Ice Wagon
Agnes Warnken 45
George H Warnken 17 Office Boy. Electric
William T Warnken 15
Ernst Warnken 12
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1920 census Manhattan Assembly District 9, New York,
William Warnken 35 Born Germany Occupation:- .... Delivery
Agne Warnken 35 Born Scotland. Janitor
George Warnken 7
William J Warnken 5
Ernest Warnken 2
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UK Incoming Passenger List
Name: Agnes Warnken, Born About 1885 Aged 36 years. Travelling with 3 sons.
Port of Departure: New York - Travelling to Glasgow Scotland
Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1921 on SS Cameronia
New York Passenger List
Name: Agnes Warnken Born about 1885. Age 36 years. Scotland
Travelling from Glasgow, Scotland to New York on a Ship Named: SS Assyria. Arriving 13 sept 1921.
Also travelling george Aged 8 William Aged 6 and Ernest Aged 3 years. Been to Nother/Grandmother :- Annie Stokes. 39 Landressy Street. Bridgeton. Glasgow. Returning home to husband:- William Warnken. 171 W 99th Street. New York.
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SSDI Record
Name: George Warnken
Born: 31 Jul 1913
Died: Sep 1975
Last Residence: 10029 New York, New York, New York,
SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)
US Veterans Gravesites
Name: George H Warnken
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1913
Death Date: 18 Sep 1975 - Interment Date: 23 Sep 1975
Cemetery: Long Island National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 2040 Wellwood Avenue Farmingdale, NY 11735-1211
Buried At: Section 3a Site 1659
Service Info.: TEC 5 US ARMY WORLD WAR II
Service Start Date Given as : 31 Dec 1943
SSDI Record - Match for a wife
Name: Jean Warnken
Born: 31 Mar 1906
Died: Jun 1977
Last Residence: 10029 New York,
Last Benefit: 10028 New York,
SSN issued in New York (Before 1951)
US Gravesites
Name: Jean Marie Warnken
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1906
Death Date: 19 Jun 1977 Internment Date 22 June 1977
Relation: Wife of Warnken, George H
Cemetery: Long Island National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 2040 Wellwood Avenue Farmingdale, NY 11735-1211
Buried At: Section 3a Site 1659
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SSDI Record
Name: Ernest Warnken
Born: 23 Jul 1918
Died: 30 Jul 2001
Last Residence: 11714 Bethpage, Nassau, New York, Un
SSN issued in: New York (Before 1951)
This is a match for a wife for Ernest
SSDI Record
Name: Patricia F. Warnken
Born: 18 Mar 1920
Died: 4 Oct 2000
Last Residence: 11714 Bethpage, Nassau, New York,
SSN issued in New York (Before 1951)
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SSDI Record
Name: William Warnken
Born: 28 Apr 1915
Died: 7 Apr 1995
Last Residence: 10034 New York, New York, New York,
SSN issued in New York (Before 1951)
US Veterans Gravesites
Name: William T Warnken
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1915
Death Date: 7 Apr 1995
Interment Date: 12 Apr 1995
Cemetery: Calverton National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 210 Princeton Boulevard Rt 25 Calverton, NY 11933
Buried At: Section 30 Site 711
Service Info.: PVT US ARMY WORLD WAR II
Service Start Date: 4 Aug 1943
http://www.rootschat.com/links/099k/
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Hi aghadowey and dettori28
Wow thats is so fantastic and very much appreciated. To think that I thought the possibility finding any information at all about my relatives in America would not be possible - well thanks to the kindness of Rootschat's members I now know more than I ever thought possible to find - Thank you so very Much!!
aghadowey thanks for the advise I have taken your advise and checked both sites the Ellis Island site gave me a brief glimpse before it crashed again but it was up long enough for me to note that Agnes went to New York in 1911 to Stay with - "sister Mrs Corrgan 346 E 58th st. New York"
This has opened a question for according to my Scottish family records - Agnes was the only one of my relatives born in Scotland who lived in the U.S. and stranger still as to our knowledge none of the family married a Mr Corrigan. I wonder if a Mrs Corrigan at the e 59th st address appears in the census ?
I wonder if there is any way of finding out when both Agnes and Wilhelm Warnken died and about Wilhelm Warnken himself?
dettori28 thanks for your amazing help yet again I wonder if you had any suggestions as how I could try and find out if there are and descendants of Agnes and Wilhelm?
Regards - Luc.
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Hi Luc.
Just a quick thought.
The occupation of Agnes on the passenger list was Nurse - could it not be that the lady she was going to Mrs Corrigan was a "Sister" as in the nursing profession ?
I am still looking for other connections at the moment.
Regards.
Sandra
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WW1 Draft.
William Edward Warnken born 21 November 1885
Occupation:- Teamster for J Pringle. 5242 Broadway. New York City.
Wife:- Mrs Agnes Warnken - 23 W 98 New York City
Dated 12 Sept 1918
Tall. Slender. Blue. Eyes. Light Hair
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Hi Sandra,
Your idea about Mrs Corrigan being a nursing sister sounds about right .
How lucky to have found William/Wilhem's draft record for WW1 - He has obviously anglocized his name. But wonderfully it gives his date of birth. Thanks again to you the info that was missing is now greatly reduced.
I wonder if he and Agnes were buried in a veterans grave ?
AS the Elis Island site seems to be okay I checked and I think I may have found Wilhem arriving in New York on 20th Nov 1902 on board the "Friedrich der Grosse" the ship sailled from the port of Bremen in Germany. He was aged 15 and stated that he came from Rhade by Hannover in Germany and that he was going to stay with his uncle - Charles Warnken, who lived at 102 University place, Hoboken, New Jersey. - So if that is right Wilhelm already had family in New York.
With much thanks again - regards - Luc.
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Hi Luc,
Yes, I saw that record yesterday and it is the nearest to what he claimed the immigration date was on that 1930 Census BUT there were a few other William Warnken in New York, all born 1885 - 1888. So there was nothing to suggest that is the correct one, the birth year would be a couple of years out. (Although that does'nt always mean anything)
He was'nt marked as a Veteran on the 1930 Census.
The web-site listed in reply 1 shows New York City Deaths to 1948 (although it probably does'nt show everyone) - neither William or Agnes show on that, they started work on SSDI Index about 1956 but it was'nt completed until about 1961, so I suspect both may have died between during that period.
Regards.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
I see your point about William/Wilhelm Warnken.
So it looks as if this is as far as I can go - if you have any suggestions how I could try and find their descendants please send me a pm as I would be very keen to try and find them.
Anyway thank you so very much for all your kindness and hard work it is greatly appreciated - thanks to you I know so much more about my great great aunt Agnes and what happened to her and I will be sharing it with my family -so that Agnes and Wilhelm Warnken's story is not lost and their branch on the family tree is no longer just a question mark.
Many Thanks -Regards Luc.
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Hi Luc.
Never say never. I am still looking - was able to work out some of the other Williams so that eliminated some of the other WW1 drafts.
Still can't find an appropriate wife for son William - maybe he did'nt marry ?
Maybe Shellyesq will find something in New York that would help you.
Regards.
Sandra
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The WW2 Enlistment for William T Warnken says he was married
Name: William T Warnken
Birth Year: 1915
Residence New York
Enlistment Date: 14 Jul 1943 New York City
Grade: Private
Education: 4 years of high school
Civil Occupation: Skilled mechanics and repairmen, motor vehicles
Marital Status: Married
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Hi Luc and Sandra Dettori: Sandra's right. Never say never. Two possibilities exist.
I checked the grave site locator of the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs and found several Warnkens buried in Calverton National Cemetery, where William T. Warnken is buried. SPouses are listed if they are buried with their husbands at Calverton. No spouse is listed for William T. Warnken. That leaves two possibilities:
(1) Perhaps William T. Warnken's wife died before 1995 and is buried in another cemtery.
(2) Perhaps William T. Warnken's wife is still living.
I checked the online telephone listings for Warnkens in New York City. There were a number of them in Manhattan and more in New York's other boroughs and on Long Island. But no Warnkens were listed in any of the New York City zip codes--10028, 10029, 10034--that I've seen in this thread.
Zip codes 10028 and 10029 cover what used to be the German enclave on Manhattan's Upper East Side and the area slightly to the north of it (East Harlem). Zip code 10034, the last address of William T. Warnken, is at the northern tip of Manhattan. Not sure why he would have lived up there--perhaps a nursing home, perhaps a married daughter's residence.
Regards,
John :o :o :o
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Could someone please advise Luc the cheapest way to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate for William E Warnken and Agnes Stokes in 1912 Manhattan. If it is for Genealogy purposes would this make it easier/ cheaper for him to obtain than perhaps having a Certified Copy.
Thank You.
Sandra
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You could request a copy of the certificate for a minimum order of $4 as shown on this form: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/RG/images/FReqMicrofilm.pdf You should be able to find the appropriate film for the certificate number needed, in order to fill out the form, here: http://www.rootschat.com/links/09aa/
The more expensive alternative would be to order from the NYC archives: http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/marriage.shtml
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Shelly,
Thank you very much - Conseiller/Luc, will be extremely grateful for that information, he was on the point of giving up yesterday so hopefully he can make a little more progress with the information the Certificate might give him.
Do you think there would be any chance of obtaining Obituaries for the sons George & William Warnken ?
Would an enquiry at a public library have any chance of turning up that information for him ?
Once again, grateful thanks.
Regards.
Sandra
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I'd expect better luck looking for the branch that lived in Bethpage than the folks in NY City. There's a volunteer in Nassau Co. on raogk.org that does obit look-ups.
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Thank you again Shelly - I'll put the link here - think its the 2 nd on the list Luc. Best of Luck
http://www.raogk.org/newyork2.htm
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I found Ernest's obituary - http://www.rootschat.com/links/09af/
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Thanks Shelly and Sandra,
I will follow those leads up right now!
Thank you both once again for your amazing help!
Regards - Luc.
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I found Ernest's obituary - http://www.rootschat.com/links/09af/
Hello Shelly.
Do we have to register or subscribe ? Can't seem to see the obit. Probably me having a silly 5 minutes ???
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Unfortunately for Luc, the link to the Long Island newspaper Newsday gives a bit of information from the article and then requires payment for access to the rest.
As for obituaries of the Warnkens who lived in Manhattan, they are likely to have appeared in the New York Daily News or the New York Post. The Post archives only go back to 1998. I searched the archives Warnken, but found nothing. The Daily News does not seem to have an online archive.
John :o :o :o
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Thank you John, that is a shame - never mind - something else might come to light. I think Luc is trying the Nassau RAOGK route which might throw up some other information hopefully. It sounds as if he has some very interesting lines to search and is quite thrilled with it all - which is fantastic.
Regards.
Sandra
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I can see the whole obituary without paying. Here it is, with asterisks in place of the possibly living relatives:
WARNKEN-Ernest of Bethpage, LI after a long illness on July 30, 2001 at the age of 83. Predeceased in October 2000 by his beloved wife of 50 years, Patricia (nee McMullan). Loving father of ***, Bethpage, ***, Holtsville and the late Thomas (died 1986). Proud grandfather of five. WWII Army veteran; recipient of the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Good Conduct Medal and many other medals. Nassau County and NYS 10th District Legionnaire of the Year; life member and officer of Butehorn Bros. VFW Post #4987. A skilled typist, he used a standard Royal typewriter to attain a speed of 139 words per minute. Visiting on Tuesday and Wednesday from 2-5 and 7-9PM at the Arthur F. White Funeral Home Inc., 234 Broadway, Bethpage, NY. Service Thursday 11AM, Good Shepherd Lutheran Church, Plainview. Interment following at Flushing Cemetery. In lieu of flowers, please send donations to Good Shepherd Lutheran Church, 99 Central Park Road, Plainview, NY 11803.
Luc, if you're having a problem seeing the whole thing through the link, I'll send you the info about the possibly living relatives via private message.
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Hi Shelly,
Thank you, that is fantastic. Please could you send me a copy, it will be fine with Luc. Johnnyboy and I are working on this and a couple of other bits on behalf of Luc.
Many Thanks Again
Sandra
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I also found an article in Newsday from 24 Apr. 1999 that says 26 World War II Army Air Force veterans from Long Island, including Master Sgt. Earnest Warnken of Bethpage, finally received their Normandy Invasion medals from the French government.
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Hi Shelly,
Thank you so much -I am extremely grateful to you and Sandra
Kind regards - Luc.
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Family McMullen. Thomas Aged 27 years. Jennnie Aged 25 years and Patricia F Aged 1 arrived New York 19 June 1920 on SS Baltic. The Passenger information gives details of Citzenship/Naturalization documents for Thomas McMullen born 1893 County Fermagh. Ireland says Supreme Court. New York 3rd Oct 1919. (Wash 183629). Can anyone see this document or a WW1 Draft (believe he was a Veteran) ?
If anyone could help we would be really grateful. Thank You
Sandra
Added :- Found Thomas McMullen listed on the petition Index
Name: Thomas McMullan Address: 338 W 29 St Date: 3 Oct 1919
Volume 380
Page 24
Just found Passport Application for Thomas McMallan, seems birth was 27 January 1893. Ballimastraid Co Antrion, Ireland which has led me to the WW1 Draft
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Hello Luc,
Just checking in to see if we have completed on Warnken and McMullen or if you have thought of any avenue we have'nt explored yet ?
Regards.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Yes I think we have completed on Warnken and McMullen and that every avenue we could check was checked - My grateful thanks to you and to shelly and Johnnyboy for all your very generous help I now know more than I had imagined possible - Thank you all !!!
Regards - Luc.