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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Jopeg on Sunday 25 July 10 16:07 BST (UK)
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I have a relative who appears aged 8 on the 1881 census in Clowne Derbyshire and again in 1891 living with her sister Annie Mapletoft but by 1901 she has disappeared entirely, obviously she would be 28 by this time and likely to be married but can find no evidence of her, she was born in 1872 or 1873 in Anston Yorkshire. Any ideas?
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Hello Jopeg
There's a marriage for Ada Kenyon in Dec qtr. 1891 at Ecclesall Bierlow to either Frederick Sykes or Tom Harry Carr. Ref: 9c 577. This district is the border of North Derbyshire & Yorkshire (Sheffield).
I've had a look on the 1901 census under both surnames for Derbyshire & West Yorkshire & found nothing for Carr but there are quite a few Adas in W Yorks, but I can't find a Frederick as we don't know his age.
Mike
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Thanks Mike, that is definitely the right area, but would be South Yorks I think?
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There isn't a South Yorks category is there? Sorry!
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Hello Jopeg
There's a marriage for Ada Kenyon in Dec qtr. 1891 at Ecclesall Bierlow to either Frederick Sykes or Tom Harry Carr. Ref: 9c 577. Mike
Looks like that one married Tom Harry Carr - 1901 has her living in Ecclesall Bierlow age 34 born Sheffield.
Rosie
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I don't think she is my one, too old!
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Sorry signed in under my DD's account.
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Hi,
If, on the 1901 Census, you do a search for "Ada" age 28 born Anston Yorkshire you only get
one exact result:-
RG13/3183 Folio 7 Pg 5 Nottingham, Civil Parish Old Radford
Burrows Levi 32 Attercliffe
" Ada 28 Anston
Myrtle 9
Minnie 6
Llewellyn 3
Various places of birth given, but all children registered Worksop.
There is a marriage on Free BMD March Q 1891 Worksop 7b 65 for Levi Burrows + others,
however there are 2 missing females. This is after allowing for the double entry for Fred Knibbe/s.
Perhaps worth paying the dreaded fee for a marriage certificate!
Regards
Spendlove
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There is a marriage on Free BMD March Q 1891 Worksop 7b 65 for Levi Burrows + others,
however there are 2 missing females. This is after allowing for the double entry for Fred Knibbe/s.
I looked at that one too but there are no Ada Kenyons getting married that quarter on GRO index
Rosie
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Hi Rosie,
If you look at the marriage 1891 Worksop for Levi Burrows, there should be 8 people listed,
however if you count the two entries for Fred Kebble/s as ONE ENTRY, you have 4 males
but only 2 females - so 2 are missing.
I did try to find Ada on Ancestry lists without success.
I think if you apply for the marriage certificate, you can state who the wife should be
and if Levi did not marry Ada Kenyon they do it at at reduced fee.
Spendlove
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Hi all :)
Ada and Levi are already married in 1891, when Miss Kenyon is still single, so I think it's a red herring unfortunately (marriage Levi Burrows - Ada Maugham)
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Hi Rosie,
If you look at the marriage 1891 Worksop for Levi Burrows, there should be 8 people listed,
however if you count the two entries for Fred Kebble/s as ONE ENTRY, you have 4 males
but only 2 females - so 2 are missing.
I did try to find Ada on Ancestry lists without success.
I think if you apply for the marriage certificate, you can state who the wife should be
and if Levi did not marry Ada Kenyon they do it at at reduced fee.
As I said I looked at the GRO index for that quarter and there were no Ada Kenyons listed, I was aware that all the entries had not been transcribed on freebmd that is why I looked at the GRO index.
Since the price of certificates increased the only place that you are likely to get details checked such as wifes name is local register offices the GRO no longer offer this facility
Rosie
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Hi
Apologies to everyone, failed to think enough!
Spendlove
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No problem ;D
What do you think - there is a census entry in Hove Sussex in 1901
RG13/936/64/25
Ada Kenyon age 24 (I know that's wrong) Ladys maid born Yorkshire NK
living with the Sassoon family
I haven't managed to work out who she is in 1891
added if it is her she could have gone abroad with the family after this ???
Rosie
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Well DD and I think Hove is a possibility, she may have lied about her age.
In 1891 she is staying with her sister Annie Mapletoft in Clowne, Derbyshire.
Going back to Frederick Sykes, there is a Frederick Sykes with a 25 year old Ada in Linthwaite Yorkshire, wrong age again and she is recorded as born in Linthwaite, occupation is right though, dressmaker but were they ten a penny in those days?
Then there is the 34 year old with Tom H Carr, why would she add six years to her age?
Yesterday I came up with some records where the age hadn't been recorded properly but can't do it today! Any ideas?
Also could anyone look the above up for 1911 and see if any are recorded as being born in Anston?
Thanks for all your help so far. :)
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Jopeg,
Don't know if you've already seen them, but the Genuki page for South Anston, in West Yorkshire, includes a transcription of the parish's BMD registers.
According to that, Ada was baptised on 6 October 1872, the daughter of George and Keziah Kenyon, George being a collier. So it looks like the census age is the right one.
Nic
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Yes, that is her, it is the 1901 censuses that don't add up!
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Hello Jopeg
There's a marriage for Ada Kenyon in Dec qtr. 1891 at Ecclesall Bierlow to either Frederick Sykes or Tom Harry Carr. Ref: 9c 577. Mike
Looks like that one married Tom Harry Carr - 1901 has her living in Ecclesall Bierlow age 34 born Sheffield.
Rosie
I would not think that she is yours at all as there is this birth which ties in with her
Jun quarter 1866
KENYON Ada Ecclesall Bierlow reg district 9c 286
Rosie
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Hi
Sorry we are not allowed to do 1911 look ups but this link may help you
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355239.0.html
I do wonder if Ada that was with the Sassoon family in 1901 went abroad. Strangely I knew a 'Sassoon' many years ago and having just gone back on their history they appear to link in with this family.
Rosie
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Well this has got me most intrigued.
I can find no sign of the Sassoons in 1911 but believe Leontine the mother lived until she was 99!
Portrait of Lady Almeria Carpenter has a distinguished provenance, being once owned by Lady Leontine Sassoon (1864-1955), the widow of the Sir Edward Elias Sassoon, 2nd Baronet of Bombay (1853-1924). After her husband’s death Lady Leontine lived in 17 Belgrave Square and kept open house for the troops in the Second World War and also allowed the property to be used as a supply depot for the Red Cross. Lady Leontine left in 1942 but retained the tenancy of the house until she died aged over ninety in 1955.
I wish I could find out if it was my Ada! Is it common for servants ages etc. to be somewhat vague? I mean surely she knew where she was born? Just wondering if whoever filled in the form just guessed her age.
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Well I managed to look her up on the 1911 census and their is an Ada Davies born in Anston with three sons all with the middle name Kenyon, second son born in Preston Park Brighton which would fit in with the Hove connection and husband a butler which would fit in with the lady's maid. However by this stage if it is her (which seems likely) she has knocked 7 years off her age!
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Hi
Well that certainly looks very good, especially as she has given her place of birth as Anston.
There is an Edward Davies in 1901 RG13 Piece780 F78 P2 at Surrenden, Pluckley, Kent working for Walter Winans - in 1891 Walter Winans is in Brighton.
I can't see a marriage though ::) Still if she told porkies about her age ...
Rosie
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Well it seems the right sort of circles, but he only ages six years not ten if it is him! We can't find a marriage either...
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whoever gave the enumerator her age might have been guessing? indeed she may not necessarily have been sure of her own age
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I agree that they probably didn't bother to ask servants, but I think she would have known her own age closer than seven years out!
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I live in Buffalo, NY in the USA. I bought some old books at a garage sale and this was hand written inside....
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How lovely!
I don’t think it is my Ada but I can’t rule it out. I have just found her on the 1939 census, still with her “husband” who is now a waiter.