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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: brc on Monday 02 August 10 17:42 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I found some baptism records for Tyson in Eskdale in the 1820s in which the specific place is stated as Lenkinsen, Eskdale. I can't find Lenkinsen, is the spelling incorrect? Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
Brian
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hi
may I ask for some more details ie their christian name and does it name their parents
half pint
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Hi,
Thanks for your reply. The IGI records several children born to John and Ann Tyson in Eskdale, Jane 1824, Henry 1825, John 1827, William 1829 and Matthew 1830. The first three specifically state Lenkinsen. I don not know Ann's maiden name or where and when she married John Tyson.
The Tysons moved to Ulverston in the early 1830s and had 3 more children. My interest is in William Tyson, born 1829, and his descendants.
Regards,
Brian
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Hi Brian
It's probably just me, but where did you see Lenkinsen? I've looked on IGI and on Hugh Walpole's site, and can't see Lenkinsen. All I can find is - it looks like it was Ennerdale parish the records came from. I've never heard of a place sounding anything like that. I don't live too far away from Eskdale, it doesn't ring any bells.
I'm not much help, sorry :)
Rosemary
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Here's one of them Rosemary (submitted of course) http://tinyurl.com/32xtvjm
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Hi
I've looked everywhere Brian via google, and can't find anywhere even resembling Lenkinsen. Might not mean anything but both entries that mention this place were submitted. But there's another entrythat mentions Eskdale on IGI, this one is on film, and taken from books from the chapelry in Eskdale, and Ennerdale. This one would seem to be more reliable. Sorry I can't help.
Rosemary
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Hi,
Thank you very much for the response and the "looking" I know that there are many Tysons from that area and I will just have to keep plodding on to see if I can find my way through.
Regards,
Brian
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Hi
I spent years not far away and still live in Cumbria with parents very keen on local history and I've never heard ofit.
I also searched pastscape and old-maps - see below - with no success.
Best wishes
Emms :)
http://www.pastscape.org.uk/textpage.aspx
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html
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Could it have been the name of the house/farm they were living in at the time?
Or possibly their accent when pronouncing the place was misinterpreted?
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Hello,
Thanks for the further replies. It may well be a mis-recording or a mis-hearing. John Tyson's first marriage was pre-1837 but he married again in 1850 in Ulverston. I wiil get a copy of the marriage certificate as the name and job of his father will be stated and that might help solve the problem.
Regards,
Brian
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I have done extensive research into my Tyson family conenctions in Eskdale and Netherwasdale. I used to live in Boot, Eskdale and there is no property to my knowledge of that name.
I did however many years ago manually make handwritten copies all the Tyson names out of the original Baptism records and I can see that John & Ann Tyson lived in the Mill and he was a Miller.
Here is a list of the Baptisms:
JANE 19 Feb 1824 daughter of John & Ann Tyson, The Mill, Eskdale - (states that John was a Miller)
HENRY 29 April 1825 son of John & Ann Tyson, The Mill, Eskdale
JOHN 25 February 1827 son of John & Ann Tyson, The Mill, Eskdale
WILLIAM 29 March 1829 son of John & Ann Tyson, Wha House, Eskdale
MATTHEW 22 December 1830 son of John & Ann Tyson, The Mill, Eskdale
Hope this might be of some help to you
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Hello,
Many thanks for the info re-the baptisms of the Tysons in Eskdale. I have located Wha House on a map so I know exactly where John and Ann Tyson were when son William was baptised. Presumably the other stated address of "The Mill" is at Wha House or close to it.
Your records did not happen to state the maiden name of Ann by any chance?
John Tyson (born Eskdale about 1800)was later widowed when Ann died, and in 1850 he re-married and I have just obtained his marriage certificate which states that his father was also called John Tyson and was also a miller. I noticed in the IGI that a John Tyson was baptised in Eskdale in 1801 to John Tyson and Jane Long and so I thought that may be him. However, I looked at the Rumbutter site on the Tysons of Eskdale and according to that the John Tyson born in 1801 to John Tyson and Jane Long wed someone called Mary Jackson and not someone called Ann, so this suggests that the 1801 John is not "my" John.
Which is a pity as the Rumbutter site has a lot of useful info but I cannot link my John Tyson the miller (born about 1801 to John Tyson the miller) to the Tysons in the Rumbutter site.
Do your records by any chance include the baptism of a John Tyson in about 1800 in Eskdale to John Tyson a miller?
Many thanks agian for the info. Very kind of you.
Regards,
Brian
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I have located Wha House on a map ...
Have you seen what it looks like? http://tinyurl.com/3y7mk2f
Website http://www.whahousefarm.co.uk/index.html
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Hi Brian
I am assuming that The Mill is Eskdale Mill which is the in the hamlet of Boot,
http://www.eskdalemill.co.uk/
Wha House is further up the valley towards Hardknott Pass.
I cant see a marriage at St Catherine's Church for John & Ann, neither can I see a death for Ann - do you know when she died?
There is a baptism of a John Tyson on 5th October 1801 he was a son of John & Jane Tyson of Mill House, who may have then moved to "Thorns" in Boot (which is not far away at all from the Mill) to have further children who were baptised at St Catherine's:
9th April 1903 - William
9th July 1906 - Matthew
9th October 1808 - Sarah
There is a record of a marriage at St Catherines Church on 4th January 1801 for a John Tyson & Jane Long - both of Eskdale.
There is a record of a marriage on 25th November 1820 of John Tyson, Yeoman of Thorns and Mary Jackson of this parish.
Who had the following children baptised whilst living at Thorns:
12 Jan 1821 - Mary
17 Jan 1823 - Sarah
9 Apr 1825 - Hannah
2 Dec 1827 - Jane
19 Apr 1830 - John
25 Nov 1832 - Edward
10 May 1835 - Jonathon
15 Oct 1837 Joseph
There is also a mention of Aaron & Hannah Tyson of The Mill, who was a Miller. I cant find a record of their marriage at St Catherines but they had two children baptised there :
5 Apr 1821 - John
11 Aug 1822 - Hannah
There as so many Tysons in Eskdale at this time and a lot of John Tysons so it is very confusing. In my family Tree I have a Dinah Tyson from Eskdale marrying a John Tyson from Nether Wasdale so it is very confusing indeed. I cant see a link between my tree and yours but you never know we might be related somewhere along the line! Whereabouts are you from?
If I can be of any further help please let me know, I have handwritten copies of all Baptisms, Burials and Marriages going back as far as 1630 for Tysons at St Catherines Church Eskdale.
LindyLoo :)
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Hello,
Many thanks for all the additional info. It is all very confusing. I am not from the area at all (I am from the NE) and am unrelated to the Tysons. I have done my family history and my wife's and my daughter recently asked if I would do her friends for her, and like a fool (or a kindly father) I said OK. It is my daughter's friend who is descended from the Tysons of Eskdale.
I do not know when Ann tyson died, but it was between 1841 and 1851 in Ulverston - there are several deaths of Ann Tyson registered in Ulverston during that time.
In the 1820 marriage of John Tyson to Mary Jackson does it say if John was widowed. I was wondering if the John Tyson who wed Jane Long in 1801 was subsequently widowed and it was this John Tyson who married again to Mary Jackson.
I think that the Ann that John Tyson (born 1801) married was Ann Myers, they being wed in Whicham in 1823. John's parents were John and Jane, and Ann's parents were Henry and Mary - this fits nicely with the names of John and Ann's first 2 sons and first 2 daughters who were called Henry and John, and Jane and Mary. They also had three children called William, Matthew and Sarah, which as you state in your note are the names of the siblings of 1801 John.
The more I look into this the more confused I get!!
Thanks again for the help.
Regards,
Brian
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Hello again Brian...
Sorry It doesnt mention if John was a widower, I think if it did I would have probably noted it down. I dont know a lot about the Ulverston area, I concentrated on Eskdale and Wasdale where my lot were from.
Let me know if I can be of anymore help to you. Good Luck
Lindyloo :)
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Hello Lindyloo,
Thanks for looking. I will keep on searching!!
Regards,
Brian
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Hi Lindyloo
Can you help
Iam related to a dorothy tyson married to a William Craghill in eskdale who had 3 sons baptised in eskdale
in the 1760's
have you any idea of her parents?
whincop where the last son was born was a tyson farm
I found a will for a sarah hunter leaving money to her brother roger tyson and a sister Dorothy craghill
regards alistair
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Hi Alistair
Just looking through my handwritten copies of the Marriage records for St Catherine's Church, Eskdale and I found their marriage:
On 26th February 1759 William Craghill of Eskdale married a Dorothy Tyson of Ulpha by licence
So I think you will need to look for the Ulpha records, which is a nearby hamlet. I have no record of Dorothy or Roger Tyson being baptised in Eskdale. Sorry I can't be more help
Lindyloo
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Thanks for that .I will have to try and see if they are mentioned in any Tyson wills ..After Whincop the next mention is at Grimecragg ,Ulpha ....not far as the crow flies....then Jonathan and William both married Walkers in1788.Thomas has gone awol! Regards arcwest
Looks like thomas died in eskdale when about a year old according to the national burial index...There is a will of roger tyson of blackhall leaving monies to wife elizabeth and children dorothy and roger dated 1738(in whitehaven ro ) Hope these are the Tysons ...If so did elizabeth marry again ?