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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northamptonshire => England => Northamptonshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Ali M on Wednesday 04 August 10 21:27 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
Could someone please help me with a lookup in the 1640- 50ish Kings Sutton baptismal registers. I'm looking for the births of a (by 1665) Quaker Haynes/ Haines etc family who went on to marry in Banbury, Oxon.
I only have their marriage and in some cases death dates so their birth dates are a guess. I know for certain the women were born in K.S. the men are a bit more of a guess but very likely their brothers.
They are: John Haynes (m. Mary Smyth 1665, d. 1691)
Elizabeth and Mary Haynes both m'd 1667 in Banbury Quaker meeting house to non local men, both born KS
Richard Haynes (m Margaret 1664 poss in Aynho) d, New Jersey USA
John Haynes and Mary nee Smyth are my 8x gt grandparents
with many thanks
Alison Molineux
Nelson NZ
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Hi Alison,
I have the microfilm for Kings Sutton and this is all I could find some parts are really hard to read.
Richard Haines son Thomas and Maria or Mary 1636
Anna Haines d same as above 1638
William s same as above 1640
John s same as above 1641
Maria d same as above 1643
Richard cannot read fathers name & Maria 1644
Robert son of Thomas & Maria 1646.
Hope it helps a bit
Regards
Sue
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Many thanks Sue, It helps considerably more than a bit! The children's names,plus a Thomas, reflect exactly "my" John's children, so more and more I think I'm on the right track
best wishes
Alison
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Hi Alison,
I found a marriage of Thomas Haines and Maria ? (it looks like Oants or Oasts) in 1635 if you are interested.
Regards
Sue
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I am indeed! thank you very much. I'd looked on the free reg site as they had some Kings sutton marriages, but not that one - I'm assuming it was in Kings Sutton
thank you again ,
Alison
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Yes Alison it was King Sutton should have said sorry.
Regards
Sue
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not a problem at all Sue!
One last question - I see that Thomas Haynes married Elizabeth Tasker there on 12 Jan 1601 - are there any baptisms for children of Thomas (and Elizabeth) please shortly after 1601. ?
many thanks
Alison
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Hi Alison,
I had a look from 1600 on but the film is really in bad condition and hard to read and I could not see any Haines sorry.
Thomas and Maria are on free reg they have 1635/6 and have her as Mary Oares.
Regards
Sue
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Hi Sue,
thank you so much for trying and all the information you did find
best wishes, alison
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thank you!!
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Have just joined the chat group. My family name is Haines. I have a family tree that begins with Robert (b 1635 Kings Sutton) who married Louisa ? around 1737. Details are sketchy!
It says on my copy that Robert is probably related to John Haines who married Mary. I have no direct connection between the Robert on my tree and John and would love to bridge the gap.
The John Haines I refer to was the churchwarden of St James Parish in London and died 10/1/1690. Is this the same person and do you have any info that might link these 2 Haines men?
thanks.
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Hi there,
It looks as if somewhere we might have an ancestor in common. I have some Haines/Haynes Kings Sutton wills with Roberts mentioned in them. The ones I'm related to seem to have gone to Banbury rather than London and were Quakers. The nearest Robert Haynes I can find immediately was born 1646 in Kings Sutton and married Elizabeth Tustin and the Elizabeth Betts 1676 Hinton in the Hedges. Some of his brothers live in Banbury and he is a "kinsman" to my relative Richard Haynes who died in Banbury in 1701.
Let's swap familty trees and see if we can fill in some gaps. I'll send you a private message with my email address
best wishes Alison
Nelson, NZ
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Have just found your messages re Haynes of King Sutton. I am on rootschat for the first time. I am descended from Thomas Heynes Born Abt 1560, died 1628. and Mary Pargiter who died 1633.
As you probably know the name was spelt in several different ways before it became either Haynes or Haines. I recognise many of the names that you and "sue" mention.
I would love to exchange information with you. I have been researching the family for many years.
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How exciting!
I'm delighted to share what I have and will send you my email via a personal reply
warm wishes
Alison
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Hi Alison,
It is Sue again just wondering if my Haynes are in your tree.
I have Henry Haynes born 1750 Kings Sutton parents Richard and Mary Haynes but I cannot find a marriage for them. I think I found a birth for Richard I have born 1720 Kings Sutton parents are Richard & Mary and they married 1717 Hinton in the Hedges and she was Mary Parker but I cannot find a birth for them. Just wondering if you have them in your tree. Thanks
Regards
Sue :D
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Hello Sue & merry (almost) Christmas
Yes I think I can help you here . I think the Hinton in the Hedges link is purely where Richard married Mary Parker. This is a KS family from way back.
Richard who marries Mary is , I'm almost certain b. 1697 Kings Sutton son of a Richard and Mary(name unknown again!) . This older Richard is the son of John Haynes & Milicent Donty born 1667 in KS.
I will send you transcripts I've made (not very expertly) of Richard 1667 and his father John's wills..
Thanks to Patrick Haynes (see his earlier post) I can now take this family back a few generations further to the 1550's
I'm afraid I have nothing more about your Richard after he marries Mary Parker
His uncle Henry and brother Solomon are, however distantly related to me. They are a very complicated family aren't they!
I'll email you privately and if you can then give me your ordinary email address I'll send you the will transcripts and their tree as best as I can
nice to be able to help you for a change !
best wishes, Alison
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Hello Ali, I am direct descendant to Richard Haines (Haynes) from Aynho, Northamptonshire. He is my 7th Great Grandfather. I'm trying to find out more of his Parents. I've been given the name of John Richard Hayne and Elizabeth Stanford as Richard's parents. Shows he was married to Margaret, maiden name unknown.
I've done a lot of research on the Haines Family Tree. But can't seem to get further than Richard. Richard and his family left Aynho in 1682 when he died at Sea on his way to America. His wife Margaret and children with the exception of his oldest son, John, came to New Jersey. John was already in America.
I would like to find out if you have any information on the Haines/Hayne family from Northamptonshire or any part of this area. I would be happy to exchange any information that I have.
Thank you, Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
I've read of this Richard and always wondered how he fits in with my Haynes. I'm certain he must because mine were Quakers too from the same area with Richard and John their preferred Christian name choices.
John Richard H. and Elizabeth nee Stanford don't ring any bells however. I'll do a bit of looking and make a "short list" of Richard's born around that time I've discovered . Meanwhile I''ll send you a personal message with my home email
best wishes
Alison
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Hello,
I am also a direct descendent of Richard Haines and I have tried for two years to find his correct Parentage. I know for a fact he is not the son of John Richard and Elizabeth Stanford Haines of Boxgrove in Sussex. There is a great book that has been written by Charles R. Haines ( Richard Haines a forgotten Sussex Worthy ) that disclaims this heritage to it's finality. I would be at your mercy for any information that you could gather to help me on this quest. Thank you. J.D.
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Hi JD
I'm very happy to email you the same information that I sent Elaine - please bear with me as it may take a day or two due to work commitments
best wishes, Alison
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Hi Ali,
I am still attempting to make sense of the various branches of Haynes/Haines in Kings Sutton and Banbury. Did the the Kings Sutton Haynes go to the Monthly Quaker meetings and so get married there or are they living permanently in Banbury?
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Regards Patrick
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Hi Patrick,
I'll reply in more detail to you at "bigpond" shortly. But briefly, in case there are others out there trying to sort out "this lot".
There are various Kings Sutton Haynes Quaker marriages at Banbury where the parties continue to reside in Kings Sutton
eg. Elizabeth Haynes who married William Warren 15 Apr 1677.
However she and other Kings Sutton Haynes are mentioned in the will of Richard Haynes c. 1631-1701 a quaker of Banbury. There are many mentioned - close and distant relatives. eg John Haynes who dies 1681 in Kings Sutton and his 4 sons
Richard and his wife Mary however were born and married in Bicester. They are also related (from information in wills) to all the other Banbury Quaker families EXCEPT (and here it gets really annoying!) MY Banbury Quaker 8x Grandparents John Haynes , a locksmith, (c1640) and Mary nee Smith. They seem to be each other's (2nd?) cousins and their families come from Banbury and Charlbury back to c. 1550. Very confusing indeed.
If anyone knows more of this last family I'd love to hear!
warm wishes
Alison
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Ali,
I just pulled out the Recorded lineage of the Richard Haines that is my 8X Grand Father and the names you sent me are on target with the exception of dates.
For all the others in this string as well, Here is what I know for a fact.
Richard Haines Sr. b-1636, m Margeret Abt-1658
There children that I know of:
John b- Dec 10,1664
Thomas b-Dec 22,1666 m-Elizabeth in N.J. USA
Richard Jr. b-1669 (My Ancestrial lineage)
William b-Apr 24,1672
Mary b-Jun 30, 1676 d-Aprox 1677
Joseph b-1682 on board the Amity
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Ozziegal,
The John Haines that you refer to as Churchwarden of St James, Westminster who died about 1694.
John was the son of Thomas Heynes and Alice Adkins
John married Mary Dallin. I have found no reference to any children and no children are mentioned in his will of which I have a copy. John was very wealthy and left money in Trust for the poor of Kings Sutton. This Trust was only wound up in the past fifteen years!
The spelling of John's name appears as Haines, Haynes and father used Heynes just to confuse researchers.
My family line is from John's brother Thomas (known as Thomas the elder) I would be happy to send you copies of what I have.
Patrick in sunny Sydney
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My family name is Haynes and I have traced my family history back to either Ann Haynes bap 1779 Kings Sutton or Ann Haines bapised 1776 Kings Sutton. Ann had an illigitimat son named George
Haynes who was my Gt Gt grandfather. In the 1851 census he said he was from Charlton, Northants and he was baptised on the 12th February 1797 at Kings Sutton. He at some point moved to Monks Kirby in Warwickshire where he married in 1835.
Can anybody help me with which Ann Haynes (Haines) is his mother.
Thank you.