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John Prothero(e) married Sarah Ann Hope in 1872. I have found him in the 1871 census living at 71 John Street with his Father John (a blacksmith)and stepmother Ann along with 2 step siblings. He was born in Herfordshire. This all ties in with the info on the marriage certificate so I am pretty certain he is the the right chap!!
John and Sarah had at least 3 children William John born in 1873, Louisa born in 1877 and Mary Anne born in 1876. At 1 point they lived at 2 Bethel St Georgetown Merthyr.
Apart from that 1 census entry I can find no other record of John Prothero or his children using either spelling apart from a possible entry in Herefordshire in 1851 where he is 10 moths old. Oh yes and the school entry for Georgetown school entry for the 3 children in September 1879
Can anyone please shed any light
Thank you
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Welsh 1861 reference is RG9 Piece 4052 Folio 64 Page 10
a possible entry in Herefordshire in 1851
That is the right entry
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1881 census surname is PRYTHEROE
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
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YEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!!! :)
I have been looking for these for 2 months, thank you so much - never thought there would be a third spelling.
I am fairly new to this so don't really know what to do with the welsh ref you have given me for the 1861 census
Thank you very much for taking the time to help me
Lizziemus
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so don't really know what to do with the welsh ref you have given me for the 1861 census
On the 1861 search screen - scroll to the bottom of the input fields until you see
CENSUS
RG9/ Piece Folio Page and input the reference in the appropriate fields
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I am so sorry to be so thick but the 1861 search screen on what site - I do all my stuff on Genes Reunited with a bit of help from freebmg, freereg and sometimes the family search site and am not familia with any other tools.
Thank you for your patience :)
Lizziemus
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there is a little complication though!!!!!
1851 mother is Mary Ann
1861 mother is margret
they seem to be same person going by age and p.o.b.
but
1861 son James age 14 lab at Iron works b Mon - is transcribed as James Prothero -and on image his name is dittoed as Prothero
however
in 1851 James is transcribed as James Prothero age 3 -but image reads James Prichard????
then FreeBMD there is a marriage regDec qtr 1847
Monmouth
26 99
on same page (among others)
John Prothero
Margaret Davies
Mary Anne Pritchard
so could this be your John's parent's marriage ???
and which one did he marry??
If it is mary Anne then did she have an illegit son James -or had she been married previously???
a puzzle
Suz
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this is the census from image - very messy image -difficult to read in parts
53 Ynysyn? St
merthyr Tydfil Glam
George Hughes head M 38 Wood Sawyer E??ley Marsh Hereford
Caroline wife 28 Merthyr Tydfil
Ann daughter 5 merthyr Tydfil
Caroline daughter 2 Merthyr Tydfil
John Prothero Lodger M 36 General Smith Chedlock hereford
Margret Prothero Lodger M 38 Cr???ney Monmouth
James Prothero Lodger 14 lab in Iron Works Cr???ney Mon
John Prothero Lodger 11 Longtown Mon
RG9 4052 64 pages 9 & 10
Carole could you check out the image 1851???
Your opinion would be valued
Suz
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1851 reads as follows
Longtown Herefordshire
John Prothero 26 blacksmith b Clodock Herefordshire
Maryann 28 b Monmouth
James 3 b Monmouth
John 10 months b Clodock
Jenkin Davis 24 servant - journeyman blacksmith b Gloucs
HO107 Piece 1978 Folio 641 Page 13
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Carole/Suz
Thank you very much for your help - by 1871 John the elder had taken up with someone else - there is quite a bit of unpicking to do here!!
John junior's marriage to sarah also failed and he went back to Hereford according to family tradition - obviously some time after 1881. However I can still see no records of any of them anywhere in latter years.
In othere branches of the family I know the names on the census are incorrect and maybe that is what has happened here - I could be up all night trying to sort it out - how addictive is this hobby!!!! :)
Thanks again
Lizziemus
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I don't read James as Prothero in 1851 -maybe its my specs but...
he is transcribed as Prothero - but each individual has surname written -no names are dittoed - and James surname does not look like the other Prothero names - for a start it has more letters
I read it as Prothero at first -but on second look it seems different
??????
Suz
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When I first saw it I enlarged it and read it as Pritchard which of course lines up with the possible marriage entry you found.
Liz
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Reply amended - Yes - James looks more like Prichard
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There is an 1847 birth for a James Pritchard in Pontypool and an 1847 birth for a James Protheroe in Monmouth (indexed as James Proth_Ve) but image is Protheroe
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Good evening Suz
1851 mother is Mary Ann
1861 mother is margret
I have found a marriage in Merthyr in Sept qtr 1855 between John Prothero and Margaret Williams
Maybe that is the solution to the puzzle
A wife per decade - thats pretty good going!!!
So hows about John marries Mary ann Pritchard who is pregnant with James
They have John P junior
They move to Merthy and lodge with friends - for what ever reason he is no longer with Mary A and in 1855 marries Margaret
By 1871 he is fed up with Her :) and marries Ann - unfortunately I can't find a record for that marriage though. :)
Liz
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Have just found a death for Mary Ann Prothero in Merthyr in 1854 so I guess that is what happened
Liz
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I think John was very unlucky with wives
It seems James Pritchard was born 1847
later in the year John Prothero married Mary Anne Pritchard
Mary Anne died 1854
John Prothero married Margaret Williams 1855
Margaret died
Possible death reg
Margaret Prothero
Mar qtr 1862
Bedwelty 11a 52
John then married Ann Griffiths
Marriage reg Sept 1865
Merthyr Tydfil
11a 492
on same page
Ann Griffiths
John Prothero
(possibly Ann was a widow)
Suz
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Hi
My Grandmother was the youngest child of John Prothero(e) and Sarah Ann Hope. They had 17 children in total. I have done a lot of the Family Tree (with help) and happy to share it with you by e-mail.
I could not read your personal message. Believe I have to post 3 times before we can send a personal message.
best wishes
Rose
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Hi again Liz
John Prothero born May 1850 in Longtown Hereford. Sarah and John are living apart in 1911.
Gran always said her Father lived to be nearly a 100 and went back to Hereford. Was killed picking blackberries??
Sarah Ann died in 1919 the same week as her son Thomas, who died of Injuries received in the War.
best wishes
Rose
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Yeaah we have made contact!!!
Your Mum and My grampy (Glyndwr Prothero) were cousins so you and my Mum are second cousins :)
My family come from the William Protheroe line. I have only been doing the tree for 6 months and was so pleased to have found a link - I have read your posts with interest. I found you by googling William Hope Merthyr and an old post on Roots came up about Mary Price.
I was at a family reunion in Cardiff this weekend where I took some of the info you had posted on roots- at least I think it was you, and no one knew anything about the london connection.
Lets keep posting so we can get on to PM then I will send you my e mail address.
Lizziemus
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Hi Liz
Nice to meet you!
I was previously on here under another name but I changed e-mail address and I just could not
log in on my old Account.
Would have loved to go to the Family reunion..
Will message you!
Rose