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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: lindynz on Saturday 28 August 10 10:23 BST (UK)
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Hello, I am wondering if anybody has any information about the Clarks of Portsea, and associated families the Sheafs and Watermans. Adam Clark and his wife Louisa Elizabeth Sheaf were both born around 1819, I think they were also both born in Portsea. They married in 1842. They ended up in Sydney Australia, both dying in 1860. At least one son, Joseph, went on to N.Z. where descendants remain.
I have some very basic information about Adam's ancestry- father James, mother Elizabeth Silvester. Grandparents Henry Clark and Mary Scoval, great grandfather Richard, great great grandparents Robert Clark and Elizabeth Fathers. It sounds like they were all in the Portsea and Fawley areas from at least the 1600s. I don't really have any more details about them though, so I would appreciate any information.
Louisa's father was Aaron John Sheaf (b. approx 1801), and mother Elizabeth Waterman, also born around 1801, both from Portsea. I haven't been able to trace any more about these two.
I would be grateful for any information about these families, including anything about Adam and Louisa's life in Australia. All I know is that Adam was a fisherman who drowned, and that Louisa died shortly after him.
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Hi lindy
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Adam was baptised 30 May 1819 in Farlington, a parish on the shores of Hayling Island. His parents had twin sons in 1814 Jacob and Esau who appear to have married sisters Nancy and Emily Walker in 1835. James & Elizabeth are still alive in 1841, living in Portsea aged about 60. James was described as an Ag Lab.
1841: HO107/413/3 50 p14 Rudmore
James Clark 60 Ag Lab born in county
Elizabeth Clark 60 not b in county
Adam Clark 20 Fisherman b in county
Aaron Sheaf was a fisherman and unfortunately in gaol for debt in 1841. He obviously extricated himself from there since in 1851 he is back home with the family, living next door to Adam and Louisa. Adam and Louisa have 5 children by then.
1851: HO107/1657/218 p8 Rudmore
Aaron John Sheaf 50 Fisherman b Portsea
Elizabeth 50 b Portsea
Constance daughter 12 scholar b Portsea
Egbert son 10 b Portsea
Adam Clark 32 Fisherman b Portsea
Louisa Clark 31 b Portsea
Louisa daughter 8 b Portsea
Isabella 6 b Portsea
Stephen 4 b Portsea
David 2 b Portsea
Ellen 3 months b Portsea
I'll need a bit more time to see what else I can find.
Nell
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Thank you, that already adds to my knowledge. It is always interesting to discover a jailbird! ::) I hope you can find more about them.
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Aaron John Sheath was baptised in Portsea 9 Mar 1796, parents Thomas & Sarah.
Thomas Sheaf married Sarah Waterman 8 Jun 1794 in Alverstoke.
Hmm - wonder if those two Waterman ladies might be related.
Nell
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lindynz
I have been looking in the Hampshire Telegraph for the name Aaron Sheaf, and have come up with only 4 entries. They can't all relate to the same man, but they may relate to one of them.
There is an article in 1866, where an Aaron Sheaf applies unsuccessfully to have a licence to run a pub.
PORTSMOUTH ANNUAL LICENSING SESSIONS .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle Saturday, September 8, 1866
THE BREWERY TAP
Mr. Cousins applied on behalf of Aaron Sheaf for a license for the “Brewery Tap”, in Kingston Crescent. The rent paid to the brewer was £28., and the rating was £21. Mr. Russell would tell them that the actual annual value was £50., there being a very large trade. The house was in the middle of Kingston-crescent, the nearest licensed house being the “Air Balloon”, and the “Admiral’s Head”, and the applicant’s being mid-way between the two.
The applicant stated that he had occupied the house seven years, and had never been fined. Mr. Russell said the annual value of the premises for which they were used was £50. The application was refused.
The next item relates to the death of an Aaron Sheaf in the Portsea Island Union House-the Workhouse in other words. Maybe Little Nell would know more about that. The date of death may well fit in with your Aaron.
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc Saturday, August 20, 1870;
At the Portsea Island Union House, On the 13th Inst, Aaron Sheaf aged 78 years.
However, the last entry cannot fit your Aaron, but maybe a relation, but here it is anyway, as it gives some interesting local information. There was an Oyster company operating in the Isle of Wight at Cowes. In the 1870's the company sued the local council, blaming its sewerage works for the loss of its oyster beds. An Aaron Sheaf, fisherman gave an affidavit to this court.
ISLE OF WIGHT OYSTER COMPANY V. BOROUGH OF NEWPORT .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc ), Saturday, November 8, 1873
THIRD DAY-THURSDAY
Mr. Whitehorne read the affidavit of the Aaron Sheaf, fisherman. He said he had known the Medina Fishery for the last quarter of the century. In his opinion the chief cause of the failure of the Oyster Fishery was the importation of Irish Oysters. There were more fish in the river in 1871 than in many previous seasons, and the cockles that year were in good condition. Oysters and cockles would be affected by the same causes; but he noticed no deterioration in the quality of the cockle that year. The tide ran in and out of the Medina very swiftly, and would carry away, in his opinion any sewage matter.
Tom
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I think there is a father and son here. An Aaron Sheaf married on the Isle of Wight in the 1850s - his father was Aaron John. The death in 1870 is for your Aaron John. The fisherman may be the son.
Nell
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Yes, Nell that would explain the matter Aaron Sheaf the son, on the Isle of Wight in the 1850's, but as I have now discovered through the same Newspaper archive, he once lived close by his family's dwelling. I have also found the death of Elizabeth Sheaf, nee Waterman and their daughter Constance, as a result of a tragic accident at the family home, at a time that their father and in Elizabeth's case husband Aaron was out of the house. It might also explain why Aaron the son moved to the Isle of Wight.
I shall send Lindynz a PM about the matter as it is too sensitive to put out in the "open", but basically there was an explosion in the house, and Elizabeth died immediately and Constance soon after.
Their dwelling at the time resembled something out of a Dickens book, consisted a large fishing craft placed upside down. Aaron Sheaf earned his keep by fishing in the summer and shooting wildfowl in the winter. The explosion was thought to have been caused by a stray flame and gunpowder-he made his own cartridges.
The accident occurred on Saturday 3rd February 1855 around 2330 hours. Constance died the following Thursday, 8th February 1855.
Tom
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:o :o :o
Oh, wow!! Some family history.
Nell
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Thank you everybody for your sleuthing- I am very pleased there are people who are able to find these stories. I have been wondering about the Sheafs for years! My searches over the years haven't uncovered anything much beyond a few names, dates, and places, so it is great to hear such details :D
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Lindynz,
I always think that the newspaper articles make family history come alive; so I started to look at Esau Clark, brother to Adam.
The only article I could find about him was this:
THE GLADSTONE DIVORCE SUIT .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Saturday, July 31, 1875;
The above case concerned the wife of a Mr. Gladstone and a Captain Bridgeford. This was a hearing that last 4 days as far as I can see, where several witnesses were brought to show that the above two people met each other, and spent the evening in each other's company, when Mr. Gladstone was out of the house. Maids testified that the blind was pulled up to show Mr. Gladstone was away etc! Anyway then I saw this:
Esau Clark, a wood and coal merchant at Southsea, spoke to having the ferry from Cumberland Fort to Hayling Island from 1852 to 1871. He remembered the gentleman (whose portrait he recognised) being taken over; he was generally accompanied by a lady.
So I looked at the 1861 Census, and sure enough Esau Clark born 1814, Drayton, was living in the Ferryman's house, married to Charlotte, with several children, the youngest Selima 4 & James 2, having been born at Cumberland Fort and Esther, 7 having been born at Hayling Island.
So I think that this is your Esau.
Tom
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I looked for possible birth records on I.G.I. for Thomas Sheaf and Sarah Waterman. Nothing on Thomas so far, except a remote possibility - Thomas Scaff or Scarff b. 1865 Hampshire who married Elizabeth Row in Portsea St Marys in 1800. A second marriage?
I also found a couple of Sarah Watermans, the most likely one was born 1776 in Portsea parents Thomas Waterman and Martha Attwood. There was a family tree attached to it going back to 1600s but of course I don't know if this is the right Sarah ???
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A Thomas Sheath was buried in Portsea in 1837, aged 71.
Nell
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Hi all
I found this discussion by accident. I was 'Googling' 1855 Portsea Newspapers to see if I could find out what had happened to Elizabeth and Constance Sheaf as I knew they had died at about the same time, and I guessed it may have been some sort of accident, and it came up with this page.
I am a descendant of Louisa Sheaf and Adam Clark through his son Joseph, who emigrated to NZ, so would love to compare notes with you Lindy.
I had some of the information you have come up with too, but have learned a few new things from your page, and of course was pleased to find out what happened to Elizabeth and Constance - sounds horrific!
Adam's death is a sad story too - according to the Sydney Morning Herald he was out fishing with his young son Aaron, who was about 8 at the time. Adam fell overboard and drowned, and son Aaron drifted for about 10 miles before being picked up. Mother Louisa died just a week later, leaving 8 children, aged from about 2 to 17.
Look forward to hearing from you :)
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Hi mrsh6nz, I will send you a personal message.
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Hi Lindy - I got your message thanks, but I only joined this website after I saw your post, so wasn't sure how to reply. I checked the Help tab, and it says new members have to have at lease three postings before they can use the Personal Messages, so can you message me again with your email address? Would seem that we are cousins!
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Hello,
I am currently researching my family tree I am a direct descendent of Adam Clark and Louisa Sheaf through James and Jessie Clark nee smith. I am wondering if anyone would be able to help me with all of the names of Adam Clark and Louisa Clark nee Sheaf children. So far I have:
Louisa b. 1843,
Isabella b. 1845,
Stephen b. 1847 (I read someone that this son was the one that went down on the cutter with Adam???)
David b. 1849
Esther? b. 1851.
James b. 1857
Joseph b. 1855
and is it Aaron?
I am also wondering if anyone would know where Louisa Clark nee Sheaf was buried? As I am currently in the area and it would be interesting to go and visit.I have searched everywhere on the net and I cannot find anything.
Thank you.
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Those names are all the same as the ones I have, though I can't be certain if there were others. I believe there was a son Aaron John born in 1853, he married Elizabeth Buckley.
I am not sure which son was on the boat, it was either Stephen or Aaron. A couple of different newspapers give different ages for the boy, either 8 or 13. The captain of the boat that picked him up set up a bank account for him, and there was much concern for all the orphaned children. I don't know who would have looked after them but I imagine life would have been very tough.
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Hi DM Clark - I also have those eight names (I am Joseph's great-great granddaughter), though I have found Esther referred to as Hester in some records. Aaron John was born 1853, and I thought he was the boy in the boat - I have only seen the article referring to an 8 year old.
I have a copy of Louisa's death certificate which says she was buried 9th May 1860 in the Christ Church burial ground, Newcastle, NSW, though I have been unable to find any reference to her in any on-line cemetery records.
I would be interested in knowing more about James's family - my great aunt has told me she remembers her mother talking about the "Pearly King", and I have read several interesting articles about him that both she and lindynz have forwarded. I have found four possible children for James and Jessie in on-line records: John (b 1844), Janet (b 1846), Arthur Campbell (b 1846) and James Colin (b 1848). Are all or any of these correct?
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i have some info on the sheaf family. how much do you know all ready. louisa elizabeth sheaf,she married joseph j billows in 1881.
joseph was a licenced victualler in 1901, they lived in cows on thr isle of wight. they had 3 children florence mary louisa,ruby aubrey . and a son ivan howard, if you need more info just let me knoe. hope this is some help to you
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i have some info on the sheaf family. how much do you know all ready. louisa elizabeth sheaf,she married joseph j billows in 1881.
joseph was a licenced victualler in 1901, they lived in cows on the isle of wight. they had 3 children florence mary louisa,ruby aubrey . and a son ivan howard, if you need more info just let me know. hope this is some help to you
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Hello,
I have also read in some places that the woman was either named Esther or Hester. I wonder which one is correct? It does not seem to be a 'family name'?
So far I have found five children of Jessie and James Clark.
James Colin Clark b. 1888 Western Australia d. 1948 (my great grandfather)
Arthur Vivian Clark b abt 1891 d 1916
Jessie Mildred Clark b 1893 Queensland d. 1943 Queensland
Arthur Campbell Clark b 1886 Western Australia d 1886 Western Australia (15 days old)
Harold Reginald Clark b 1894 Queensland d 1895 (13 months old)
I do not know much about James Clark. Unfortunately, we were never really told any stories.
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Hello All,
I came across this list while googling to find out about Portsmouth commercial fishers in the mid-C19th, what type of fishing they did etc. I'm an academic maritime historian specializing in Australian pearl-shelling, so I know quite a bit about James Clark who was for many years the most influential man in the industry. There's a lot to know about him. Orphaned at three, he died in Brisbane in 1933 a very wealthy man. I also know about his brothers Steve and AJ (Aaron John) because in the 1890s they were part of the syndicate known as the Clark Combination which I have published on in the academic journals. James withdrew from pearl-shelling in 1919, but he had wisely invested in sheep stations with a partner and owned half-a-dozen of the best properties in Queensland by the time he died, one of them running about 140,000 sheep! I don't know anything as yet about any of the other children of Adam & Louisa, and was interested to read from lindynz that Joe went to NZ. BTW, I think it was Steve who was with his father when the cutter Friend went down. After that, and Louisa's death a short time later, James ended up in the Protestant Orphan School at Parramatta, run at the time by the daughter of Samuel Marsden, known in Aus & NZ as the 'flogging parson' - I hate to think what that was like!
Regards
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Hello DMClark,
Just to say I got your message and have tried every which-way to reply, but to no avail. :-\ The system won't allow me and I don't know how to convince it otherwise. However, this gives me the opportunity to correct something I wrote in my earlier post. James did not go to the Parramatta Orphan School. I sent to the NSW State Archives for the file and it turned out to be another James Clark. I'm sorry for misleading people about that. I'm now working on the idea that the children stayed together at Dempsey Island, made possible by Louisa's quick marriage to James Fraiser, who may have been Adam's partner. If you send me another message I might have more luck with a reply.
Regards
Steve
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DM Clark & super15
I think that you will have to make at least three postings before you can send personal messages, and that means postings on another thread, contributing to someone else's thread to increase your rating as it were. Maybe Little Nell can help but that I think is the way.
This particular thread has made interesting reading since it was first posted-shows the value of Rootschat.
Tom
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Tom is correct - the personal message systems has a small restriction on it when you first join.
Just add your reply here, unless it contains private information.
Nell
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:DHello from New Zealand
I am helping my stepchildren do their family tree, they are descended from Aaron SHEAF and Elizabeth WATERMAN.
Their Grandmother (still alive and living on the Isle of Wight) is a Great Grandaughter to them - Aaron & Elizabeth.
I have been very pleased to find the postings about them and because I had been working from almost total ignorance about the SHEAF family I have discovered quite a lot and managed to create an interesting, although at times rather tragic tree.
There was a descendant who now lives in New Zealand, I would be pleased to hear from that person as I am in Hamilton New Zealand, as is my stepson and his sister also a descendant lives in Perth, West Australia.
A question : All the family trees and researchers quote Aaron SHEAF's wife as Elizabeth nee WATERMAN. Does anyone know where Elizabeth's maiden surname is referenced or sourced ?
Kind regards,
Brenda
Hamilton, New Zealand
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Hi Brenda
The marriage between Aaron Sheaf and Elizabeth Waterman took place in Portsea on 22 Feb 1819. This is from a transcript of the parish register. It is also included on the IGI from extracted records. I reckon it's a safe bet to say that you can take the details as correct.
Nell
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Thank you Nell,
that is excellent, I am pleased to know it is in the Parish Register entry. Another researcher has where the Brides surname is written, it is not simply WATERMAN but 'John WATERMAN', would it be possible that this person was a former husband and that WATERMAN is not in fact her original maiden surname?
I wonder why that would be written, of course it could be that John WATERMAN is her father, that is another possibility.
Sorry to be a pest.
Kind regards from a chilly, wet and windy Hamilton NZ
Brenda
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I have to admit that I'm struggling to find a baptism for Elizabeth. 1851 is the only census which gives a birthplace and she appears to have died in 1855. Given that she was apparently born in or about 1801, she would have been a very young widow to be remarrying in 1819. I can't find any indication that she was a widow at that time. Only the original entry will tell you that.
Nell
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Dear Nell,
Yes, difficult isn't it when it is so far back. I wondered if her mother's name was Louisa as she named her eldest daughter Louisa and the name seems to have gone down the generations.
Will have a hunt for a Louisa and John WATERMAN and see if that turns up anything.
Cheers
Brenda
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Clark's in Portsea
Hi there as well as the three boys did you know that James and Elizabeth also had a daughter called Leah? :)
Leah born 1812 married Richard Macdonald New in 1838 - They are my great^2 grandparents.
I'm interested in James history - in your posting you list his parents etc and was wondering where you got the info from - I and a couple of other 'cousins' have been searching for years without success.
Also have you got death dates for James & Elizabeth which I believe were between 1841 and 1851?
Many thanks in advance
Sparkgirl (female electrician)
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Hi everyone,
I'm another Australian descendant of Adam, via Aaron and Victor Clark. I'm particularly interested in the fate of the young orphans of Adam and Louisa, the business partnership of James and Aaron, and the earliest Portsea material as well. Best wishes to all
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I know I contributed earlier into this thread, but the name Sheaf & Sheath is so alike and records seem to get mixed up.
Consider these brief events, which I wonder if the Sheaf Family historians would like to comment upon-more details to follow if those historians want.
Free BMD marriages
Dec qtr 1867
Amelia Sage & Aaron Sheaf Alverstoke 2b 915
They go to live in Lower Pyle Street, Newport in 1871 census. This looks like Aaron’s second marriage-she is daughter of a William Sage and his wife Mary Ann-that Sage family is living in Pyle Street, Newport in 1871 census.
Aaron Sheath 37
Amelia Sheath 23
Emily Sheath 1
Alfred Sheath 15
William Sage 44
Mary Ann Sage 46
Hatty Sage 15
William Sage 12
RG10/1162/22 p 2
In 1873, September, an Aaron Sheath, Alfred James Sheath and a man called James George are accused of fishing illegally in the Beaulieu river and are fined £5 at Hythe Petty Sessions.
In July 1875, there is an attempted double murder in Newport, Isle of Wight at the home of Aaron Sheath and his wife Amelia, when a man called James Guy, formerly in the army from Glasgow shoots his wife Fanny Wells, but his shots go wide. The incident occurs at 9, Lower Pyle Street, where Aaron keeps a small fish shop on the south side of the street. Both Amelia and Aaron have to give evidence at the hearing.
1881 census
Aaron Sheaf 50
Amelia Sheaf 30
Emily Amelia Sheaf 11
William Henry Sheaf 9
Walter Thomas Sheaf 7
Charles Ernest Sheaf 3
Infant Sheaf
RG11/1174/26 p 1
In July 1884, A William Henry Sheath, aged 12, drowns in the River Medina, whilst swimming. There is an inquest in which an Aaron Sheath, fisherman of Coppins Bridge, and father of William gives evidence.
In July 1885, whilst Amelia is visiting her sister in Portsmouth who was ill, Emma Louisa Sheaf (note name), was looking after the family, though her father Aaron was downstairs. She found that her infant brother Thomas Henry Sheaf, aged 9 months, was dead. This was in the Sheaf’s house in Coppins Bridge.
Tom
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Some wee gems in there Tom, thank you. Would love to hear more. Just to clarify, this is Louisa's brother Aaron that Tom is referring to, not her father, though father Aaron also got in trouble with the law, as you will see in earlier posts.
ACGable - I am a descendent of Aaron and Louisa through son Joseph Clark, who moved to New Zealand as a young man, so let me know if you would like to know more about the NZ family.
I would certainly like to know more about Josephs siblings and their families. I have a little info on the younger sons, Aaron, Joseph and James, but virtually nothing about the older English-born ones - if anyone knows anything would love to hear from you.
Happy New Year :)
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Clark family in Portsea (Part of Portsmouth) in 1780-1830s - This is what I have managed to pull together with the aid of several cousins.
James Clarke born approx 1780 married Elizabeth (surname unknown) somewhere between 1805 and 1812. James was an agricultural labourer.
James and Elizabeth had four had least four children:-
Leah born 19th August 1812 in Farlington ( a village near Portsmouth)
Esau & Jacob (twins) chr 16th Nov Farlington
Adam chr 30th May 1819 in Farlington
By 1841 the Family was living in Rudmore. Portsea, Adam was still with his parents. Next door was Jacob with his family and 2 doors away was Leah married Richard Macdonald New on 24th Sept 1838 (Leah & Richard are my great^2 grandparents).
Rgs
Sparkgirl ::)
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Given the proximity to Portsmouth, this may be the marriage:
James Clarke married Elizabeth Cole 11 May 1807 in Wymering
There were possibly another two children for this couple baptised in Wymering, not far from Farlington:
Samuel, son of James & Elizabeth Clark, 30 July 1809
Elizabeth, daughter of James & Elizabeth Clark, 17 Feb 1811
However, I can't find Leah's baptism :-\
Nell
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Thanks for the info I have found this marriage before and have excluded it because in the 1841 Census - Elizabeth states she is not from this county!
Elizabeth Cole I traced was born in Hampshire!
Leah Clarke was christened in Portsea 20 Sep 1812 @ Saint Peters Dainel St Wesleyan, Portsea.
Regards
Sparkgirl 8)
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Interesting - I wonder why the parents went back to an anglican church for the baptism of the later children?
Makes me wonder if this is the right marriage. There are other baptisms in Wymering after 1812, so I think that one can be ruled out. :( Curiouser and curiouser - there is a marriage in Chichester, Sussex in 1813 for a James Clark and Elizabeth Cole - James was a widower at that date from Widley in Hampshire.
From what you say, Elizabeth died before 1851?
Nell
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Little Nell
I think they could both be dead!
However I am more certain that James is dead, there are several potential Elizabeths still alive - however I think if she was a alive and James was dead she would be living with one of her children!
And of course there are several potential burials for both James & Eliz and with the current price of certs that could prove an expensive search.
Leah was still in Rudmore - and I can't from memory remember where the other children are?
The other James Clarke & Elizabeth (Cole) are still around in 1851 as well from memory.
I hoping to go back the archives searching for their burials - all of the New's are buried in St Mary's, I'm guessing the Clarkes are well so that my starting point. The on-line material is imcomplete for this time period!
Regards
Chrissie - Sparkgirl
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James and Elizabeth marriage
One other thing - at least three other cousins have searched for the marriage and not found it or excluded potential marriages for various reasons.
And of course if Elizabeth is not from Hampshire they could have met and married somewhere else!
Or even got married in a non-anglican church!
Geneology - a world of unanswered questions!
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Anyone interested in a Cornelius Sheaf of Rudmore, he died on 6th February 1876 aged 47:
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, February 19, 1876; Issue 4540.
On the 6th instant at Rudmore Square, Landport, Cornelius Sheaf, aged 47.
He was in and out of the courts for minor offences, ever since 1852, when he three a stone at a girl.
Tom
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Cornelius was Louisa Sheaf's brother - he and another brother Aaron, and their father Aaron, were all in trouble with the law at different times. Life was probably pretty hard for them all after the loss of Elizabeth and Constance.
sparkgirl - I have an Elizabeth Silvester as James Clark's wife, married 28 May 1797 St Mary's, Portsea, Hampshire, England, however I got this from other people's family trees, and I am not entirely convinced this is correct. This Elizabeth was born in Farlington, Hampshire, which doesn't fit with the 1841 census record, and neither does her age, as she was born in 1773 so would have been about 68 in 1841, not 60.
Other family trees also have two older siblings James (born 1795 - illegitimate) and Harriet (born 1798), but then there is a huge gap to Leah born in 1812, so I am wondering if James Clark and Elizabeth Silvester, with James and Harriet, may be a different family?? Have you come across them?
I also have another sibling for Leah, Jacob and Esau, and Adam - a sister Emily, born in 1817, but I can find no other records for her.
Had another look at the 1841 census record, and there is a mark in the final column, where it indicates if they were born in Scotland, Ireland or elsewhere - it could be an I for Ireland ??
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James Clarke and Elizabeth ? - When and where they married - The big question to which nobody seems to have answer!
There are eight potential marriages in the IGI and I have discounted all them for various reasons:- (Continues in next post!)
1. JAMES CLARK – Elizabeth Clungeon 19 OCT 1795 Alverstoke, Hampshire,
This James is a medical doctor and sailed on one of the voyages with Darwin.
2. JAMES CLARK – Elizabeth Fuller 24 FEB 1797 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire
3. JAMES CLARK – Elizabeth Silvester 28 MAY 1797 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire,
4. JAS. CLARK – Elizabeth Castle 21 Apr 1797, Hampshire
For both 2-4 from the 1841 census James and Elizabeth were born 1780 including the rounding up or down they would have been born between 1777 & 1783. As an Agricultural Labour he would be unlikely to marry until he was 25 for either of these marriages to be correct he would be marrying young age 20 (yes it would be possible), and the couple would still be having children in their 40s (again still possible).
5. JO'S. CLARK - Eliz'Th. Spraggs 25 Sep 1805 Portsea, Southampton.
6. JAMES CLARKE – Elizabeth Cole 11 MAY 1807 Wymering, Hampshire.
For both 5&6 the date would be about right/ a little early, but more likely than marriages 2-3.
7. JAMES CLARKE - Libey Ireland 23 Aug 1813 Wootton-St. Lawrence, Hampshire,
8. JAS. CLARK – Elizabeth Flower 22 Dec 1815, Hampshire groom’s age 23, bride’s age 22
The last two marriages I have excluded as possibles 7, due to the location and 8 due to young ages for both bride and groom.
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Continues from previous post
The potential brides (again Info from IGI) :-
1. Elizabeth Fuller m 24 FEB 1797 Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire
Not an obvious Hampshire birth!
2. Elizabeth Silvester m 28 MAY 1797 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire,
Several poss most likely Ch 31/10/1773 St Andrew’s Farlington d of John Silvester & Anne
3. Elizabeth Castle m 21 Apr 1797, Hampshire
At a guess Ch 15/12/1771 Cowes, IOW d of James Castle & Ann
4. Eliz'Th. Spraggs m 25 Sep 1805 Portsea, Southampton.
Several poss most likely Ch 18/11/1783 Portsea d of Robert Spragg & Elizabeth
5. Elizabeth Cole m 11 MAY 1807 Wymering, Hampshire.
Several poss most likely Ch 08/05/1785 Wymering d of John Cole & Elizabeth
The only other clue to who is Elizabeth is in the 1841 Census where along with here age it states not born in this county & I (Ireland), so with that in mind it excludes brides 2-5 - leaving Elizabeth Fuller.
So in answer to the query I can see why Eliz Silvester has been identified as James's wife, but there are too many inconsistencies which in my mind exclude her. Also I don't see any good justification to say that Elizabeth Fuller is the wife and mother either - so for me it is still an unanswered question!
Regards
Sparkgirl
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There is an Elizabeth Clark(e) from Ireland age 70ish in the 1851 census in Portsea - can anybody get the family details for her?
Rgs
Sparkgirl
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There is this record, no doubt someone has it already.
PORTSMOUTH POLICE COURT .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, February 7, 1874; Issue 4328.
Mischievous Youngsters: Frederick Rowls, John Scribbens and Albert Scribbens, three boys, were summoned for doing damage to a door in Elm-lane, Mile End, belonging to Richard New.
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, December 18, 1875; Issue 4522.
NEW-on the 5th instant, at 2, Elm-lane, Kingston, Leah, wife of Richard New, aged 63 years.
Tom
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Information and all of the parish records for Farlington can be found at:-
http://www.farlingtonparish.co.uk/history.shtml
Had a quick look and couldn't find anymore useful info though.
Rgs
Sparkgirl
:D
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Hello, especially to lindynz and the other descendants of Adam and Louisa Clark who have posted.
I'm researching the story of James Clark, 'the pearl king', youngest child of Adam and Louisa. Quite a life, and there's much of interest in archives, old newspapers etc. The great gap is the early years, the dozen or so after the deaths of Adam and Louisa in 1860. James, the youngest of eight children, was just 2. Louisa, the oldest, was 16; intriguingly, she married the day after her mother died.
Would be most grateful for any information about the lives of the young Clarks in those formative years.
Regards,
Bob
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Hello, I am really interested to know more about SHEAF as I have recently discovered my descendants where Sheafs. My mother born a Sheaf on the iow, then adopted 6 weeks before the end of the war.
I look forward to hearing from you,
Kind regards
Sarah
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I have some limited information-
Louisa Elizabeth Sheaf is my Great Great Aunt - Her brother Aaron John Sheaf (Son of Aaron John Sheaf) is my Great Great Grandfather
I would love to hear more and maybe able to share some information I have.
Kind regards
Sarah
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Hi Sarah
Louisa Elizabeth Sheaf was my 3 x great grandmother. There is a lot of information about the family if you read back through this thread. I'm happy to share any other info I have too.
Linda