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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: Cholton on Thursday 07 April 05 11:43 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Does anyone know if there has been any family history of the McAleer family? I know the name is not unusual in Tyrone, and I am interested in the area around Lissan and Coalisland.
Thanks,
Cholton
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Hiya Cholton,
I have just looked at the catalogue on the NI Libraries site. http://opac.ni-libraries.net I searched for McAleer. I spotted one book that may be of interest. It was compiled by George McAleer in 1909. It is on the shelves of the Local Studies section of the Central Library, Royal Avenue in Belfast. I presume you would like someone to have a look at this book on your behalf. "A study in the origin and signification of the surmane McAleer and a contribution to McAleer genelaogy"
All the Best, Chris
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Morning Cholton
I don,t if this helps but I have a great gran called Ann McAleer sometimes it is McLeer depending on records who was born in Ireland around 1835/1840 and who married a John Mooney in Paisley/Scotland in 1861.
Her Father was John McAleer and her Mother was Anne McAleer MS McPake.
They all came from the Fermanagh/Tyrone area.
Rgds
Skems0 :)
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The McAleer name shows up in my Maguire Family as well. James Maguire, born 1875 married a Margaret Jane Hunter. They had 2 daughters, one of which died young. The 2nd daughter married an Andrew McAleer - she passed away last year. Andrew McAleer is still alive and just celebrated his 90th birthday recently. Unfortunately, I do not know any of Andy's family history...........
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I have family of McAleers possibly from Tyrone that later moved to Dublin Tyrone family John 1871-1934 Newtontownsteward married Mary Mcloughlin 1871-1934
Any help you can give me would be grateful
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I have family of McAleers possibly from Tyrone that later moved to Dublin Tyrone family John 1871-1934 Newtontownsteward married Mary Mcloughlin 1871-1934
Any help you can give me would be grateful
About 5 years ago I did extensive research on a McAleer family from Co. Tyrone so thought I would have a look for John and wife Mary but am struggling to find the marriage. census records, etc. Could you provide more details please.
ADDED- did find what might be John's death in Nov.1934- informant was widow Mary but don;t see death for her.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1934/04835/4303708.pdf
This is possibly a grandchild named John who died at same address later that month-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1935/04815/4296755.pdf
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I may have found the correct family but all may not be as you think. Do need more details to confirm or rule out what I've found. Children of John & Mary? when family might have moved to Dublin? marriages of children?, etc.
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Hi ok please give me a day or two as just filling in some blanks myself will be in touch
If you have an email that would be better
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Since I've mostly gone backwards and sideways there aren't any living people involved to it's better if information is posted on the topic in case it could later help others looking for the same family.
Since you seem to know John McAleer died in Dublin (is the death I found earlier correct?) do you know anything about his children? Do you have his marriage to Mary McLoughlin? (I suspect not and there seems to be a very simple reason for this). Where did you actually find Mary's maiden name as McLoughlin?
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John and Mary were married no date known he died 13/11/1934
They had 3 children Charles Thomas he is my direct grandfather 28/4/1903
Micheal 13/1/1906
Rosanna Josephine born March 1909 she died a year later
Charles changed his name to john Charles and married Elizabeth Burke they had 7 children 1 of which was my mother Mary
Hope this helps
Going further back Jon McAleer born 10/12 1871 he was 27 and married Sarah who was 29 so now you know good luck with your search
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Charles changed his name to john Charles and married Elizabeth Burke.........
Hope this helps
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Is this his marriage in Dublin?
24 July 1922. Married as Charles McAleer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1922/09204/5329757.pdf
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This isn't the same McAleer family that I researched a few years ago. Some of the details you have don't seem to match up to records/lack of records.
The 1922 marriage for Charles McAleer gives his address as 20 Lower Major St. which is the same address listed on death registration of John McAleer in 1934 that I posted earlier (reply #5). I Also posted the death of a young child John McAleer at the same address later in 1934. So, those three records are your family. John's death in 1934 shows that Mary is still alive.
Now, onto your last post with more details.
They had 3 children Charles Thomas he is my direct grandfather 28/4/1903
Micheal 13/1/1906
Rosanna Josephine born March 1909 she died a year later
Here's the family in 1911- John & Mary both age 14, son Charles age 14 (so born c1897 not 1903) and married 26 years (when John & Mary were 14?) with 3 children/2 living.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Mabbot_St_/20367/
However, Rosanna and Matthew were both dead before 1911-
Rosanna (1909-1910)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01625/1650621.pdf (10 Mabbot St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05429/4517693.pdf (of 10 Henrietta St.)
Matthew (1906 Waterford-1909 Dublin)- born 9 Jan. not 13th?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01748/1690043.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05471/4531300.pdf
I also found this birth for a Mary Catherine McAleer on 28 Apr.1899 at Barrack St., Strabane with parents John McAleer, labourer, and Mary McLaughlin-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02040/1781601.pdf
More to follow shortly...
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Until next week I can’t answere as Charles and Elizabeth lived in Wexford where my mother Mary was born
He was stationed in Knockfadda but he was known as John charles then his ancestors were from Tyrone
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1911 census given John, wife Mary and son Charles as born Co. Tyrone (link posted in reply #11). No sign of this Charles McAleer/McLeer in 1901 census with parents John & Mary as far as I can see so far.
Going further back Jon McAleer born 10/12 1871 he was 27 and married Sarah who was 29
Where was this marriage? if John was born 1871 and married age 27 it should be around 1898 which is shortly before birth of Mary Catherine in 1899 to John McAleer & Mary McLaughlin.
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Going back to a few details you posted which need clarified-
Reply #4-
I have family of McAleers possibly from Tyrone that later moved to Dublin Tyrone family John 1871-1934 Newtontownsteward married Mary Mcloughlin 1871-1934
Reply #9
Going further back Jon McAleer born 10/12 1871 he was 27 and married Sarah who was 29
So, how do you know John was born 10 Dec.1871 in Newtownstewart? Do you have something to back this up or assuming it is the correct record going by age in 1901 or something else?
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I found this birth on Family Search-
John McAleer born 10 Dec.1871 Co.Tyrone, parents John McAleer & Sarah Kerr
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRMT-JM4
A (submitted) family tree is here listing other children of John McAleer & Sarah Kerr-
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/96QJ-RPP
The actual registration is here- shows birth place as Newtownstewart-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03261/2195501.pdf
Here are John McAleer & Sarah (Kerr) in census records- 1911 shows 8 children/7 living-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Newtown_Stewart/Dublin_Street/1751892/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Newtown_Stewart/Mill_Street/848490/ (note: granddaughter is Ruby not Reilly)
Marriage of John McAleer & Sarah Carr-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1865/11590/8265009.pdf
Newtownstewart comes under the R.C. Parish of Ardstraw East. Marriage of John McLeer & Sarah Kerr-
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632984#page/6/mode/1up (right-hand page on 12 Dec.1865 with note about dispensation regarding banns?)
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What is your simple reason can you explain your doubts further please thank you
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What is your simple reason can you explain your doubts further please thank you
I am looking for some sort of confirmation that the John McAleer born 10 Dec.1871 in Newtownstewart to John McAleer and Sarah Kerr is the same person as your ancestor John McAleer who died in Dublin i n 1934.
Possible death for John's widow Mary? (in 1951 which is much later than 1934 you originally posted)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1951/04497/4181763.pdf
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Yes I believe so this information was passed down to me through the family who as you can believe many have passed away
I hope this helps your search
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...and married Elizabeth Burke they had 7 children...
Are these some of the children of the McAleer - Burke marriage?
B McAleer (F) MMN Burke
Apr - Jun 1928, Dublin North
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F137-2QF
E McAleer (F) MMN Burke
Jan - Mar 1930, Dublin North
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F135-FQH
KG
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Mary 1922-1992 born Wexford
Thomas M 1924-1994
Josephine E 1926-2008
Bridget 1928-1999
Elizabeth 1930-1981
John 2933-1935
Michael j 1935-2000_
Others in Dublin
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Mary 1922-1992 born Wexford
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So , is this your mother's birth record?
Mary McAleer 20 November 1922 MMN Burke (currently no image to display). S.R.D. Rathdrum (Co Wicklow)
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01scq/
FamilySearch - Mary McAleer
Jul - Sep 1923, Rathdrum, Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1S4-SP6
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Yes it is
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Rathdrum in only a registry office I only learn that recently and a child could be registered there no matter where they were born at that time
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Rathdrum in only a registry office I only learn that recently and a child could be registered there no matter where they were born at that time
Rathdrum is a Superintendent Registrar's District and includes the Registration Districts of Baltinglass, Naas, Rathdown, Rathdrum and Shillelagh.
See https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php
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If you have your mother's birth record, what does it say on the record for her actual place of birth? (street/town/townland)
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Reply #11
Rosanna (1909-1910)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01625/1650621.pdf (10 Mabbot St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05429/4517693.pdf (of 10 Henrietta St.)
The address 10 Henrietta Street is a bit puzzling as the Sisters of Charity Home was at numbers 8,9,10 (according to a newspaper article in 1914).
Also reply #11
I also found this birth for a Mary Catherine McAleer on 28 Apr.1899 at Barrack St., Strabane with parents John McAleer, labourer, and Mary McLaughlin-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02040/1781601.pdf
This child is likely unconnected. An Owen McAleer lived in Barrack St. before and after this birth (Owen is another form of John).
Baptisms of children of John McAleer & Sarah Kerr (transcribed but dates will make it easier to find in online parish register)-
http://www.parishofardstraweast.com/19thCenturyBaptisms.htm
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The FS tree I mentioned earlier in reply #15-
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/96QJ-RPP
Shows daughter Margaret born 1854 (11 years before parents married), died 1901 Glasgow, married 1891 to Michael Dolan but having children in Philadelphia 1877-1898 …
There was a daughter Margaret, also known as Maggie, born in 1866 who married 1891 to Michael Dolan and had, as far as I can find, 3 children.
Note: FS tree has combined children of Michael Dolan & 1st wife, Michael Dolan & Margaret McAleer and a Michael Dolan & Margaret Gallagher of Philadelphia ::)
Margaret McAleer (6 Nov.1866), daughter of John McAleer & Sarah Kerr, m.(15 Aug.1891 Glenock, Gortin) Michael Dolan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03509/2290412.pdf
Bapt.: http://www.parishofardstraweast.com/19thCenturyBaptisms.htm (Maggie, 11 Nov.1866)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10676/5890901.pdf
a. Elizabeth Catherine Dolan (21 Nov.1892)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02326/1870929.pdf
b. Maggie Anne Dolan (8 Oct.1894)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02239/1843489.pdf
c. Francis Dolan (26 Jan.1897)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02139/1812436.pdf
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Eight other children of John McAleer & Sarah Kerr-
Sarah Jane McAleer (21 Oct.1868-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03420/2254716.pdf
Bapt. https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632983#page/25/mode/1up
John McAleer (10 Dec.1871)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03261/2195501.pdf
Bapt. https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632983#page/33/mode/1up
Francis McAleer (26 July 1874)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03137/2150605.pdf
Bapt. https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632983#page/39/mode/1up
Edward McAleer (13 Nov.1876-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03034/2112276.pdf
Bapt. https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632983#page/46/mode/1up
Son (born & died 31 May 1879)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02919/2069640.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06518/4877639.pdf
James McAleer (9 Oct.1880)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02852/2045130.pdf
Bapt. https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632983#page/61/mode/1up
Mary Ann McAleer (31 Mar.1883)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02736/2006064.pdf
Ellen McAleer (6 Nov.1885-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02625/1968749.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Newtown_Stewart/Main_Street/1751988/
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It looks like most of the recent searches have been a complete waste of time and that the John McAleer born 1871 to John McAleer and Sarah Kerr is NOT the John McAleer who died in Dublin in 1934.
Let me explain. The 1911 census shows the McAleer family with four grandchildren-
Ruby (transcribed as Reilly) McAleer, age 8, born Scotland
Lily McAleer, age 6, born Scotland
James McAleer, age 2, born Scotland
Willie McGorty, age 9, born strabane
I couldn't find a birth for a William McG* 1900-1904 in Strabane district but I did find the birth of a William John McAleer in 1902 at Strabane Workhouse to an unmarried Mary McAleer who might be the Mary Ann born 1883.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01890/1734560.pdf
The 3 Scottish grandchildren provided a lot more clues and using Scotland's People (free searches) I found their births, siblings, parents, etc. Ruby, Lily and James all registered in Anderston district along with 2 brothers & mother's maiden name listed as Malloch. The two brothers died young in Anderston district. There is a marriage in the same district for a John McAleer to Sarah Malloch in 1899. The oldest child, John, was born 1900 and I was able to find the family in 1901 census- John, wife Sarah & son John as well as a F. McAleer & James McAleer (likely John's brothers Francis & James).
John McAleer m.(1899 Anderston dist.) Sarah Malloch
1. John McAleer (1900 Anderston dist.-1906 Anderston dist.)
2. Ruby McAleer (1903 Anderston dist.-1963 Milton dist.)
1911- in Newtownstewart with grandparents
3. Thomas Malloch McAleer (1905 Anderston dist.-1905 Anderston dist.)
4. Lily McAleer (1906 Anderston dist.-1991 Glasgow, Martha St. dist.)
1911- in Newtownstewart with grandparents
5. James McAleer (1909 Anderston dist.)
1911- in Newtownstewart with grandparents
Scottish marriage certificate for John McAleer and Sarah Malloch would confirm the names of both parents but even without that final confirmation I can't see how the John McAleer whose 3 surviving children were staying in Newtownstewart could have, at the same time, been living with Mary McLoughlin and ending up dying in Dublin in 1934.