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Does anyone have any information on Thomas Clayson born 1782 Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire, United Kingdom.
I would be very grateful for any information you have on him and his family.
debs
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Hello and welcome to RootsChat
To save duplicate look ups could you post the type of information you already have
Also you have given his place of birth as 2 different counties - which one was he born in???
Suz
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Is this the one who was buried in Harrold on 6 July 1813 age 31? I hope so otherwise I've wasted my time! As Suz says, it helps if you tell us what other information you already have - eg wife, kids etc
The IGI at www.familysearch.org has two marriages in Harrold for a Thomas Clayson in 1803 to Martha Bradshaw and 1811 to Keziah Robinson - it may be the same Thomas as a Martha Clayson age 35 was buried at Harrold on 12 July 1810. It would be useful to check these entries to see what other detail they contain.
Virtually all of Beds baptisms and marriages pre 1813 have been extracted onto the IGI. I can't see a baptism in Beds for him. Perhaps he wasn't baptised in Beds or perhaps his family was non-conformist and he wasn't baptised in the established church. There were Clayson burials in Harrold from 1759 onwards so they were already in the village although the first baptism wasn't until 1805 when there two on the same day, one to Thomas & Martha and the other to Zachariah & Ann*. I can't find any Zachariah Claysons anywhere on the IGI.
The 1803 Muster List for Harrold shows:
Thomas Clason, mason, 21 Class 1 ie men between 17-30
unmarried
Zaccaus Clason, mason, 50, no children under 10, class 4 ie men aged 17-55, married over 30
Zaccheus Clayson aged 84 was buried on 1 Dec 1836 and Ann Clayson aged 60 on 2 Sep 1813
Thomas might have been a son of Zacc and Ann but I can't prove it as I can't find a marriage after Zacc's first wife died
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Harrold Congregational Church records refer to Claysons, but no mention of Zacc - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=004-x377&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18#-1
The BLARS catalogue at http://blars.adlibsoft.com/ shows that Thomas Clayson was admitted to Harrold Congregation Church in 1811 and died on 6 July 1813, and Zach was a member too edit - but I can't tell if it was senior or junior - possibly the former
I can't see that either Zach or Thomas left wills, although both BLARS and A2A mention other Clayson wills from Harrold, but again no mention of either Zach or Thomas.
At 5 a.m. I'm going back to bed to see if I can sleep this time!
David
* Later - I can't see a marriage of Zachariah and Ann, but the IGI has three marriages of Zaccheus in Harrold - 1779, 1816 and 1822. You need to check the parish register to see if the third one was a widower - the 1816 marriage was to Priscilla, and Zaccheus and Priscilla were in Harrold in 1841, both aged 50.
The 1779 marriage was to Catherine, and she appears to have been buried on 16 May 1780
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Hi David,
thank you for your help.
The Thomas Clayson I am researching is the Thomas Clayson Married to Martha Bradshaw.
I know they had two children Henry Clayson born 1805 in Harrold, Bedfordshire, England. and William Clayson born 1806 to 1859 in Harrold, Bedfordshire, England. not sure if he had any other children other than these two.
I also know they were married in 1803 in Harrold, Bedfordshire, England. but that is all I do know.
debs
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This is more thinking out loud than providing an answer to your question, mainly because without a baptism of Thomas Clayson you need to be looking laterally for any references to Claysons in Harrold.
There seem to have been two separate Clayson families in Harrold:
a) the ones with the wills and deeds in the A2A reference which I gave you, which family I think looks as follows:
Uriah Clayson married Ruth Fairy at Chellington on 1 May 1735. Both were buried in Harrold, Uriah in Apr 1766 and Ruth on 21 Jan 1791. Children mentioned in Ruth’s will were
- William who married Catherine Goosey in 1791 at Harrold. No children were named in his will dated 15 Jan 1803
- Uriah who may have married and lived in Northants as in his brother William’s will a bequest was made to his nephew William Clayson of Easton Maudit (3 miles from Harrold)
- Esther, who married William Wes(t)ley 28 Nov 1771 at Harrold, and was buried at Harrold on 27 Jun 1810 age 61. So born c1749
- Hannah who married a Mr Mawby, which marriage I can’t find, but a Hannah Mawby was buried in Harrold in 1811
- Ruth who married Samuel Ray at Harrold on 25 Dec 1766, so born c1745
There’s a settlement certificate held at BLARS, which I assume to be from the parish of Brafield on the Green, Northants indemnifying the parish of Harrold: Zaccheus Clayson, stonemason, and wife Catherine P33/13/1/39 11 Oct 1779. Zaccheus Clayson married Catherine Faulkner at Harrold on 21 Mar 1779. It looks to me as though Zaccheus was from Brafield and they moved to Harrold after the marriage. Catherine was buried on 16 May 1780. It seems as though Zaccheus then married Ann, given the baptism of Lydia aged 15 in 1805, the same day that Thomas’s son Henry was baptised. Why Lydia chose to be baptised I can’t tell. I can’t find the marriage, which might have been in Northants. Ann was buried in Harrold on 2 Sep 1813 aged 60. Zaccheus remarried on 12 Aug 1822 at Harrold to Mary Stratton. She was buried age 66 on 3 Nov 1832, and Zaccheus was buried on 1 Dec 1836 age 84. This ties in well with him being age 50 in the 1803 Muster List, giving a birth in 1752/3, possibly in Brafield on the Green, 7 miles from Harrold.
There appear to be other Claysons born in Harrold judging by the 1841/51 censuses
- Zaccheus age 50 in 1841, so born 1786-91, a stone mason, with wife Priscilla. Surely the son of Zaccheus also a stone mason
- Joseph who was buried on 26 Dec 1835 age 47, and who was baptised as an adult on 31 Jan 1819, the son of Zaccheus and Ann. He appears to have married in Harrold in 1811
There’s also a document at BLARS dated 1763 in which John Clayson, mason, of Harrold is a party, relating to a property in Chellington (which is where Uriah above was married). Perhaps connected to Zaccheus the mason; elder brother or even father. And possibly John and Uriah were siblings???
All of the above should be regarded as speculation, and should be checked with the parish register. But in the absence of any other Claysons in Harrold I think it's likely that Thomas was the son of Zaccheus and Ann
Must dash - got to pick up my son from school
David
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There's a whole stack of Claysons in Easton Maudit ...
http://www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/Villages/registers/em-intro.html
... including Uriah baptised age 8 on 4 July 1773, with a note saying son of John & Elizabeth - father had been an Anabaptist
Take a look. You'll notice a load of my Partridge names in the list.
PS you'll probably find these on FreeReg as well
Regards
John
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I have done some research on this family for the cousin of a cousin.
This person is descended from Joseph (born abt 1781), son of Zaccheus and Ann, baptised as an adult 31st Jan 1819 in Harrold.
Zac and Ann are probably this couple who married in Emberton, Buckinghamshire
Zaccheus CLAYSON of Harrold and Ann CLAYSON of this parish 5th June 1781
Joseph married at Harrold in 1811 to Mary MORTON. Mary was from Weedon, Northants.
Their daughter Betsy/Elizabeth married in Bedford Register Office 1859 to Thomas BRADSHAW of Odell.
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The Thomas Bradshaw/Betsy Clayson marriage is mentioned on this topic..
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,266366.0.html
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This person is descended from Joseph (born abt 1781), son of Zaccheus and Ann, baptised as an adult 31st Jan 1819 in Harrold.
Thomas born c 1782 can't be the son of Joseph. Joseph died in 1835 age 47, thus born c1788, and I agree he's the one baptised as an adult in 1819, and who married in 1811. Thomas and Joseph were probably brothers
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1735 marriage from the Chellington PR transcript....
Uriah CLASON of Chellington, mason to Ruth Fairy of Carlton, spinster - by banns
Ruth Fairy baptised Carlton on 19 Feb 1716 daughter of John & Mary
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There's a marriage on 9 June 1731 at Easton Maudit of Elizabeth Clayson of Brafield on the Green to John Marsh of Wollaston
& from the Bedfordshire Strays index a Zaccheus Clayson of Harrold Beds married Ann Clayson on 7 Jun 1781 at Emberton Bucks
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Hello - I have a contact on Genes Reunited who claims Thomas Clayson who married Martha Bradshaw, as being the son of Zaccheus Clayson born 1753 Brafield who married Ann Clayson at Emberton Bucks in 1781. However there is so baptism date.
I will be checking the Harrold PR transcript at the weekend to see if it offers more info... plus a baptism look up on ther Northants Board
cheers John
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From the Harrold PR transcript - up to 1812
There is no additional info on the 7 Nov 1803 marriage of Thomas Clayson to Martha Bradshaw; however the 3 Oct 1811 of him to Kezia Robinson confirms he is a widower. Kezia was baptised 6 Apr 1784 to Joseph & Kezia Robinson. After Thomas dies, buried 6 July 1813 age 31 does Kezia Clayson marry William Johnstone at Harrold on 1 Dec 1824. The Martha Clayson buried aged 34 in 1810 is indeed wife of Thomas Clayson.
As we know Thomas & Martha Clayson baptised children Henry 1805 & William 1806. On the same day 13 Oct 1813 that Henry was done is a baptism of Lydia, daughter of Zach & Ann Clayson at age 15 (= born 1790), Why was this ? could she be Thomas's sister.
Zaccheus Clayson married Catherine Faulkner on 21 Mar 1779 - no other info is given. A Catherine Clayson is buried 16 May 1780 - the burial entry does not state wife of Zaccheus which would have been good. However we can assume it was as the PR has banns dated 13/5/1781 of Zac to Ann Clayson in Emberton Bucks. It'd be nice if the Emberton, Bucks PR would confirm he was a widower & perhaps say where she came from. Is she the Ann Clayson, daughter of Peter & Martha, baptised at Easton Maudit on 20 June 1756.
An Ann Clayson gets buried at Harrold on 2 Sept 1813 at age 60 (= born 1753) so with her gone we think Zaccheus married Pricilla Hartwell on 1/7/1816 - but does he - as it's not him. As David found Zac & Priciilla are on 1841 census both aged 50 (rounded). Pricilla is buried 22 Nov 1843 at age 57 (= born 1786) & her Zac has a Bedford RD death index in June 1857. So who is he?- son of the first Zac, that we don't have a baptism for. Zac senior was buried at Harrold on 1 Dec 1836 at age 84 (=born 1752) ties in with the birth year of 2nd wife Ann. His 3rd wife maybe was Mary Stratton on 12/8/1822
regards John
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Thank you John for all your help I do appreciate it, :) your help has been great and I have managed to pass the stage where I could not get any further with my tree :)
debs
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From the Bedfordshire Magazine vol 17 number 130 Autumn 1979
Letters to the Editor; Surnames in Bedfordsire
In a discussion on the Clayson, Clason, Classon names.....
All Harrold Claysons are descended from Zaccheus Clayson who went from Brafield on the Green, Northants on 11 Oct 1779.... & I have traced his Clason ancestors in Northants...
Letter sent by Colin R Chapman, Glous.....
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It was Colin R Chapman who wrote "Tracing Ancestors in Bedfordshire" 1995. In the forward he is described as being president of Gloucs FHS, president of Bristol & Avon FHS, honorary member of Beds FHS, and a Fellow of the Society of Genealogists. In other words he's definitely of some considerable standing in the world of genealogy.
Although I assume he means all 19th century Claysons, as Uriah who lived in Harrold predates Zaccheus
David
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There is a Zaccheus Clayson from Brafield, living in Harrold in 1810. His brother, James, and Zacc are both masons. Zacc is the executor of James' will. James died in 1811. James was probably born about 1760ish. He also had a son Thomas, but I haven#t found out about him yet. James is my 4 x g-grandfather.
:D :D :D
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Hi All.
Patmo Welcome to Rootschat. :)
Alan Clarke whose noted web link is below my post offers free
lookups on a lot of his index.
He notes most of the baptisms for the family at Bra(y)field, and possibly
Cogenhoe and Gt Houghton etc.
As there are too many to list on the forum it may be of assistance to
you to contact him.
Sandy
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Thanks Sandy, that's useful.
PatMo :)
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It was Colin R Chapman who wrote "Tracing Ancestors in Bedfordshire" 1995. In the forward he is described as being president of Gloucs FHS, president of Bristol & Avon FHS, honorary member of Beds FHS, and a Fellow of the Society of Genealogists. In other words he's definitely of some considerable standing in the world of genealogy.
Although I assume he means all 19th century Claysons, as Uriah who lived in Harrold predates Zaccheus
David
Hi,
I have found this discussion very late but hope its OK to add my bit.
There is a Uriah Clearson, bricklayer, who worked on the Canals of the River Ivel in 1757.
I noted that the forum said a Uriah Clason/Clayson married Ruth Fairy of Carlton, Beds in 1735.
A John Clareson/Clearson/Clerson/Clayson is listed as voting in Carl[e]ton from 1722 - 1734 in the "How Bedfordshire Voted, 1685-1735, The Evidence of Local Poll Books Volume 2 1716-1735" by James Collett-White.
A Cleason/Clearson family [my family] lived in Shefford and Campton from the middish 1600's until 1799.
All this says to me that whatever the original pronunciation and spelling of the proto-name, in the Bedsfordshire context, at least, the name settled into two versions - the Claysons [reasonably numerous] and the Clearsons [less so]. It would be interesting to see how this theory fits with the Colin R Chapman MS mentioned. Do you know David, whether the book has info on the very early progression of the name in its' varieties?
Kay Clearson
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The book is a general guide to research in Beds. It doesn't cover individual families. John referred to a letter written by the author of the book, which I haven't seen
David
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Hello Kay, I have just looked up the letter regarding the Clayson name from the Bedfordshire Magazine Vol 17 No 130 of Autumn 1979. The writer mentions a variety of spellings - Clayson, Clason, Clasone, Classon, Classen for the families of Beds & Northants; plus from possible Hugunot roots the corruption of the Europen Clauson, Clausen, Claussen names. He mentions the only other pocket of Clayson names are found in Kent. There is not a mention of Clareson/Clearson/Clerson names as per your reply to this topic.
Regards
John
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Thanks David for your reply and John for the look up of the letter.
Uriah [the bricklayer/mason] is referred to in different docs as Clearson or Clayson and I have seen the interchangeable spelling of Clearson/Clayson/Clason etc. for other individuals in my family. It's interesting that Chapman hasn't referred to the Cleason/Clearson variation. The Fair[e]ys [Uriah's wife] are mentioned in docs with the same contexts to individuals in my family so there is potentially some sort of link, but admittedly have never found it definitively and despite the interchangeability and close geographical positioning may just be coincidence of two similar names.
Regards,
Kay
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It is interesting to note that in the Probate records for Bedfordshire, held at Beds Archives, there hold the wills of Uriah, senior, mason 1766/34, Ruth, widow 1791/4 & William, farmer 1803/42 all of Harrold - where the index says - see also Clearson ? and hold wills of Samuel Clearson, senior of Shefford, victualler, 1724/66 & Samuel of Shefford, malster 1740/56. It might be good see if there is a link.
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Thanks John
I had seen the Will reference to Sam junior but not senior. I will get onto it.
Kay
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Just a quick update to the Clearson Wills John (in case it is of interest to other researchers). Sam snr does not mention any Harrold or Uriah connection. Both Sams live in Shefford.
1724 - Sam snr refers to his surviving children - William, Elizabeth Merrill and Sam the younger
and his grandchildren - Mary Clearson [dau of Wm.]
Elizabeth and Mary Merrill [dau. of Elizabeth - who was m. to Michael Merrill]
James [son of Sam jnr]
1740 - Sam jnr's Will mentions his dau.'s Mary Clearson Hine/Hind/e, Sarah Lawrence, his son James and nephew Sam Clearson.
italics my info
Kay