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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Reg Singleton on Friday 08 April 05 11:15 BST (UK)
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Joel Singleton of Chilton? or Chillington? Somerset married Mary Patch, 6th May 1760 at Seaborough, Dorset. Which is now in Somerset.
Has anyone any information on either family's members, at or prior to this time.
Thank you,
Reg
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Joel Singleton is definitely from Chillington. I have just returned from a visit to Somerset, to see Chillington and to do some research at the new Somerset Heritage Centre in Taunton. The microfiche copies of the parish registers include the marriage banns - these were read at Chillington church from the 20th April 1760 for Joel Singleton and Mary Patch of Seaborough. The registers survive only from 1750 and even then there is a gap between 1762 - 1780. The centre also has the bishop's transcripts for Chillington, including a hard-to-read reference to the birth of Edward Singleton, son of William and Jean? Singleton, March 2nd 1678. I wonder if this is the same Edward who married Joan Shole from Dowlish Wake (a neighbouring parish) in 1718. The date is interesting, as it may dispel the theory of the link with Southwell, Nottingham.
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Hi M Singleton,
My ancestors come from Chillington as well. Not from the Joel Singleton branch but from John Singleton born about 1733. I have identified all the Singletons from Chillington from the 1841 census and Parish records, and formed a family tree to try to identify how are they all related and where they came from. I have 8 different branches (3 main and 5 unidentified individuals).
Chillington Parish records start around 1750, I find really interesting your visit to the SHC in Taunton. I live in Mexico I wish I could do that trip and find out more.
So basically I'd like to ask you if you would like to be in touch an find out if our families are somehow related, or if we can have ancestors in common and share info.
Also, I found really interesting that you might have a clue of where did the Chillington Singletons came from ( Nottingham maybe).
Hope to hear from you. Regards, Carlos Singleton
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Hi Carlos,
It is good to here from you. My visit to Somerset confirmed that Joel lived in Chillington but I was unable to find any links further back. It is possible that John and Joel were brothers, as there were only a few Singletons at that time. How does your line descend from John? I am not sure about the Nottinghamshire link - I had seen this suggestion elsewhere. There was mention of a William Singleton in Chillington born circa 1659, which pre-dates the supposed link to Samuel and Francis Singleton of Southwell. Certainly the Singleton name does not appear much in Somerset. The surname implies an original connection with either the village in Lancashire or the one in Sussex. I am trying to arrange another visit to the SHC, but to look at the various deeds, surveys, etc. This would appear to be the main way forward to discover more links, as the parish records start quite late. I would be interested to be in touch and share our research.
Best Regards,
Martin Singleton (Oxford)
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Hi Martin,
It's good to hear from you as well. Sure, let's be in touch to find out more about the Singletons from Chillington.
Here's my line:
John Singleton
b. abt 1733
m. Elizabeth (possibly Phelps) in 1753
Joan Singleton
b. 2 Oct 1755
never married to John Perry and thus the Singleton name
John Singleton
b. 20 Aug 1780
m. Hannah Hill18 Oct 1808
James Singleton
b. 28 Apr 1824
m. Charlote Hardy 9 Oct 1849
Job Singleton
b. 22 May 1864
Emigrated to America and married Elizabeth Schade 9 Oct 1891
This is the last Singleton born in Chillington (from my line) the rest were born in America and I was born in Mexico City
I have Joel's line I can share what I have from Parish records and census
Do you ever enter the Chatterbox? Hope I can find you there sometime and chat
Keep in touch.
Carlos.
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Martin,
I only have Thomas (b. 1760) as son of Joel Singleton. But Thomas' sons were Thomas, Samuel, Joel, Francis, Benjamin and William which matches the ones you mention from Nottingham. Could be a possibility.
As for Chillington records. There are Bishop's Transcripts from earlier years at the London Family History Center (Mormon Church)
Note Location Film
Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1599-1641 (some years in Latin), 1678, 1689, 1707, 1785, 1790, 1801-1833. (Not complete for all years and some years in poor condition.) FHL BRITISH Film 1278918 Items 9 - 10
Other than that I don't think the Somerset HC has previous records (that I know of).
Regards,
Carlos.
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Hi Martin & Carlos,
sorry I have not been in contact, but I have had a serious head injury and spent 3 months in hospital. I am getting a little better now and hoping to visit Chillington in the next few weeks.
I note your comments on past Singleton's in Chillington prior to Joel and Mary, Joel born about 1730.
Any further information would be appreciated, and did this Joel have any brothers or sisters, or a named mother and father at the time.
I don't know how to e-mail the information on their past family members, but I may be able to post the copies of the off-spring. This may take me some time, as things are not easy for me now.
I will need an address if this is required, you will need plenty of patience with me.
Thank you for any help that will aid my re-visit to Chillington.
Regards Reg.
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Hi Reg,
Hope you recover soon, I have been trying to contact you for a while, I figured you were off the computer for some reason. And a head injury is definitely a serious one, take it easy and take care of yourself.
My e-mail is (*) but I'm not sure we should post e-mails here. We'll know soon enough.
I don't have anything beyond Joel. Martin did research the Somerset Heritage Center films for records prior to 1750 but there seems to be no one but one Singleton mentioned in 1678 "the birth of Edward Singleton, son of William and Jean? Singleton, March 2nd 1678. I wonder if this is the same Edward who married Joan Shole from Dowlish Wake (a neighbouring parish) in 1718. The date is interesting, as it may dispel the theory of the link with Southwell, Nottingham".
I made a tree of the Singletons in Chillington, with 3 main branches. 1.-- Edward Singleton born 1763 2.--Thomas Singleton born 1760 (son of Joel) and 3.-- Mary and Joan Singleton born 1754 and 1755 (this is my branch).
Now the relationship between these 3 branches is the big mystery... Don't worry about time, doing genealogy requires patience especially, the important thing is that you recover well.
Keep in touch.
Carlos Singleton
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Hi fellow Singletons,
I'm descended from the Winsham Singletons which is not too far from Chillington. Have any of you proven a link between the two villages being related?
Regards,
David Singleton
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As a follow up.
In the Winsham parish records there are references to Singletons as far back as 1660. It is 4.2 miles from Chillington to Winsham so may be of interest.
One other thing to consider is county border changes, this area has been affected by changes in the past as you are on the Somerset, Dorset and Devon borders.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
At least I haven't found any link between the Singletns from Winsham and Chillington.
Who are your ancestors in Winsham?
Carlos.
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Hi Carlos,
Its nice to see the Singleton name turn up in unexpected places :D
My g/g/g/grandfather was John Singleton born c1813 Winsham, his father is believed to also be John though I have not yet proved this and his date of birth. He also had a brother called Daniel I believe.
Some of this info came from another Singleton who is a different branch from John but hence distance cousins. He did mention in our communications though that he believed the Chillington Singletons were cousins of the Winsham Singletons though not proven yet and most of them emigrated to the Americas. This helped explain some issues that I found in my research where Singletons married Singletons :o
Dave
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Hi Dave,
As a descendant of the Chillington Singletons I did some DNA tests to look at my ancient lineage (via FTDNA and Britain's DNA). Surprisingly it came out as Irish Celtic (Irish Sea Modal) with a specific concentration in Leinster. Some other Singletons with origins elsewhere in England have the same DNA type, but the connections go back several hundreds of years. I have been in contact with another Singleton with origins in Winsham, and he is also keen to establish a connection between the two villages with a DNA test: apart from the ancient lines, FTDNA do one that checks on more recent family connections, so I am hoping that this will determine a connection.
Best Regards,
Martin
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No idea if this thread is dead as there doesn't seem to be any activity here, but I thought I'd just say hello and let it be known that my GG-grandmother was Harriot Stace (nee Singleton) born in Chillington in 1835. Her father was William Singleton, also of Chillington, born 1802. William's parent's were Thomas, born 1761 in Chillington, and Sarah Singleton (nee Bagwell) of Winsham, born 1767. Thomas' parents were Joel, born c1740, and Mary Singleton (nee Patch), born c1740.
Hope to hear from a fellow Singleton researcher soon.
Jon.
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Hello Jon,
It is good to hear from another cousin - I believe that we would be 5th cousins, as my 3G Grandfather was Simon, born 1804 and brother to William. I continue to scout around for other written sources, but I am concentrating on the DNA front at the moment. The Stace link to the Singletons was also noted in a pedigree on Genes Reunited.
Best Wishes,
Martin
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Hi Martin,
Thanks for your quick reply, I wasn't expecting to hear back from my post so soon.
Yes, I have Simon listed on my Genes Reunited tree, born 1804 in Chillington. I have a fair few 'problematic' branches on my tree, and the Singleton's are certainly one of them. They've been, and continue to be, a headache. ;D It's good to know there are fellow researchers active on this forum.
All the best
Jon
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Hello Martin, John, Reg, everyone!
Just wanted to say hello and see if you guys have found anything new on the Singletons from Chillington. Or the Winsham conexion... all my trails have gone cold.
Unfortunately for me DNA doesn't help for the Singleton purpose, because I've got the Singleton name from an unmarried couple back in 1780 when John Singleton was born, being his parents John Perry and Joan Singleton....
It had been a while since my last login in this page, somehow I bumped into it tonight and found out "new" or better said unread messages from last December.
Still in Mexico
Regards,
Carlos
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Hi Carlos,
Good to hear from your again! I have been concentrating on the DNA side, and I can understand your predicament. It may be worth seeing if we can follow up the male sibling lines from your female Singleton ancestor. I found a Singleton from Dorset on the Singleton FTDNA project site with similar results to mine, so we followed this up with the most advanced test that FTDNA do on the male line. This showed that the Dorset and Chillington lines separated quite early on, perhaps 650 years ago! These same tests reveal close links with the Byrne family in Ireland, descendants of one of the Leinster royal dynasties. The Dorset line may well be connected to a concentration in the Donhead villages in Wiltshire, not far from Shaftesbury. I really need to set some time aside to follow up this links down to today and encourage some DNA testing.
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Hello again, I've been away a while and I'm just catching up with threads I'm involved in, and I see there are some interesting developments here regarding DNA. Any updates or developments with that and good old-fashioned records?
Jon