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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: tempogold on Monday 18 October 10 16:03 BST (UK)
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Thomas and Mary Phelps lived at Barbers Bridge farm near Tibberton and Rudford in the 1800s.(NEWANT DISTRICT)He dies 1823.They had 3 sons and 4 daughters. Thomas,William( my ancestor), Henry ,Hestor(who marries a Joseph Gough),Sophia,Susanna and Harriet.
William marries 1812 at Tibberton church a Mary Lewis and they have a number of children. They die in 1857 and 1853.Eleanor b 1813 was my GG Grandmother and she marries a Palmer in Charlton Kings in 1832. Some of
Her brothers are - Jamesb1821 of Stile farm Harescombe. John of Bobin Farm b1829.Edwin b 1826.Cornelius b1828-a farm Bailiff at Hill Place Harescombe and at Parkend lodge Haresfield.
On the1861 census the name is spelt Philps but by 1881 is again shown as Phelps.He married a Mary Ann Millington .
Samuel marries a Hannah french from Slimbridge .They also lived at Bobin farm.He was committed in 1864 to the Asylum not long after the death of his wife and dies 1868.
Sisters include Amelia b1831,Sophiab1837,
There a number of Phelps graves at Tibberton Church belonging to the family. Daniel and Sarah Phelps.of Hanmans Farm Tibberton. She died 1911. A Mary Elizabeth only daughter d 1946.
Perhaps there are still relatives around.
The present owners of Barbers Farm(now called the dark barn)told me .there are Phelps who have visited from Canada and South Africa
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Hi
If you have a sub to Ancestry you can view a public tree with your family in it.
My tree is entwined with yours - Henry John Phelps (father Edwin & grandfather William )married my aunt Ellen Taylor.
Hope that this helps.
t c
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I think we might be distant Phelps cousins. A lots of work has been done by many people on the Phelps family tree in Gloucestershire. A man named George Phelps started it in the 1980's and Narissa continued on with it. Now there are a couple of us trying to finish it off. If you'd like to contact me for Phelps info from before 1800, message me privately and I'll email what I have to you.
I hope this helps
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Thank you TC for this information and to Catherine. Alas I do not have a Sub to Ancestry but I do have documents that I would share with the correct family.
Trying to work out catherine how to do the PM --this is exciting.
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Hi Catheyt
If there is anything that you would like to know from the trees let me know I have a sub; or anything from the parish records let me know as I live in Gloucestershire. I tend to 'pop' along to the archieve now and again.
To pm just click on the user name and at the bottom of the profile of the person it says send a pm or something like that. Hope this helps.
Regards
tc ;D
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Thanks tc ,sending you a pm.
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Hi Tempogold.
Thomas and Mary Phelps are my 5th great grandparents. I have recently spent a lot of time looking at Gloucestershire parish records on Ancestry and now have a fair amount of information about the family. I believe that his parents were William Phelps (abt 1727 - 1786) and Hester (or Esther) Young (1732 - 1811). At the moment I am trying to verify (or otherwise!) that William senior's parents were William Phelps (1690 - 1751) and Mary Pennell (1689 - 1738) but have hit a brick wall. I've looked at other Ancestry trees but they give a birth dates/places that I think are questionable either because there is no evidence from the parish records or they probably relate to another William and Mary Phelps from Westbury. I still have to look more closely at the latter. Is it possible that we can help one another?
Regards
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I forgot to add that I have a copy of Thomas's will. It can be downloaded from Gloucestershire archives, but I could also send you a copy.
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Welcome to the site Keith . Very Happy to share what I have on the family Have sent you a personal message .
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Hello my name is Lauren. My grandmothers name is originally Yvonne Aroma Phelps. I have always been interested in the history of my family so I have asked her questions before and it sounds as though I may possibly be related to this Phelps family.
My grandmother lived in Gloucester where she married into the name Dyer and gave birth to my mother. My grandmother told me that she had family that moved to Canada, but I do not know more than that.
My grandmother was the only one to move to America and I do know she came from a very large family. I do believe she has some sisters still alive over in England.
I will try to find out my grandmothers parents names as I would love to learn if we are tied together.
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Also, my grandmother was born September 1, 1939 and believe she is among the oldest of the siblings.
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Hello Lauren
I think family history is a great hobby-- if at times frustrating. Roots chat members have been amazing in my seraches. Alas I have not taken my Phelps extended tree as far forward as 1939 so not sure if there is a link. More information would be useful. Are you a member of Ancestry and if so, have you found any trees that may give more clues.
I wish you luck in your serach and if i can help I will. Alas Phelps is quite a common name in Gloucestershire.
All the best.
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If you use the website:
freebmd.org.uk
https://www.freebmd.org.uk
And search for Birth: of
Yvonne A PHELPS - 1939, Gloucestershire
The Mother's maiden name is PARSONS.
There 9 PHELPS birth's mother's maiden name PARSONS in Gloucester in 1933 and then Gloucester C from 1939 -
? as the first child was name Harry J PHELPS - it could be Harry PHELPS married Millicent A PARSONS, Sept Qtr 1931 in Gloucester.
You will also find Yvonne's marriage in 1959 on the above website.
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Capetown,
I just spoke with my grandmother today and yes, you are spot on! Her mother was Millicent Aroma Parsons. It was her father who actually went to Canada.
As far as what she knows about her father, Harry Phelps, she said he was an orphan and did not know anything about his family history.
I would love to take the ancestry test to find out if I can find out more! I wonder if one can find out more about orphanages during that time.
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Family appear on the 1939 register index. It includes Grandmother, which I don't understand if still living.
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/1939-register
Gives Harry DOB as 1912
PHELPS HARRY - No Mmn listed so likely illegitimate
GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 558
Obtaining his birth cert should confirm name of mother.
Cas
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1939 Index has her as Aroma b 1913.
Birth cert would confirm parents.
PARSONS, MILLICENT AROMA Mmn HEMS
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 1177
Possible marriage of parents
Marriages Dec Q 1912
Hems Bertha K - Parsons Westbury S 6a 604
Parsons Hubert J - H_ms Westbury S. 6a 604
2 other children born to couple.
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PARSONS, HUBERT WILLIAM REDVERS Mmn HEMS
GRO Reference: 1915 J Quarter in GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 519
PARSONS, BEATRICE MAY Mmn HEMS
GRO Reference: 1916 S Quarter in GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 519
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A......
Baptism at Gloucestershire St Luke
24 December 1912
and written on the side of the entry.....
Born 11 March 1912
Private received 18 March 1914
Harry PHELPS -
dash for father's name
mother: Minnie May PHELPS, address: 25 Robinhood Street
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On the 1911 census at 25 Robinhood Street, Gloucester
Jemima PHELPS - 54 and a Widow born Gloucester
Minnie PHELPS - 20 box filler at a match factory - born Gloucester
are lodging with Joseph ALLEN and his family.
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Minnie May PHELPS christened at St Luke's Gloucester 16 October 1889
parents: William James (Moulder) and Jemima PHELPS. 4 Baker Street
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Gloucestershire bmd
Harry PHELPS married Millicent Aroma PARSONS - Gloucester Register Office 1931
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Tree on
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Minnie May PHELPS (died 1933) - parents: William James PHELPS and Joyce Jemima ROBBINS **
married
Alfred George BULLOCK July 1913 Gloucester (Gloucestershire bmd = Register Office Gloucester)
and had children
Ivy Liliam BULLOCK 1914 died 1914 - Gloucester
Brinley Frederick BULLOCK 1920 died 1980
Elsie Eva BULLOCK 1926 died 1932
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An......
1929 Electoral Register
Minnie May BULLOCK : 3 Goodrich Court, Gloucester
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Family appear on the 1939 register index. It includes Grandmother, which I don't understand if still living.
Born 1939 would make grandmother 78 which isn't that unusual these days.
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Family appear on the 1939 register index. It includes Grandmother, which I don't understand if still living.
Born 1939 would make grandmother 78 which isn't that unusual these days.
Yes but my point is...if still living the record should be a closed one.
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Family appear on the 1939 register index. It includes Grandmother, which I don't understand if still living.
Born 1939 would make grandmother 78 which isn't that unusual these days.
presumably as she has left the UK she's not on the NHS/NI lists so they've taken this as meaning she's dead and unlocked the file
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A.....
Marriage at Gloucester St Catherine 4 August 1884
William James PHELPS - aged 25 - Bachelor : occupation, Moulder, residence, St Mary's Street
Father: Nathaniel PHELPS, occupation: Carpenter
Joyce Jemima ROBINS - aged 25, Spinster, father: James ROBINS, (deceased) labourer
William PHELPS signed his name, Joyce Jemima, signs with a X (so is unable to write)
witnesses: James & Sophia BREWER (signed with and X - again unable to write)
1891 Census
2 High Orchard Cottage
Gloucester
James PHELPS - 31, General dock labourer, all born Gloucester
Jemima - 32
Lily - 4
Charles H - 1
Minnie 1
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A.... (On the 1901 census, has transcribed their name as PHILIPS)
25 Robinhood Street (address in previous reply)
James W PHILIPS (should be PHELPS) - 43
Joyce J - 43 - Match Maker
Lily - 15
Minnie - 12
Ida C HYAM - 19 - married (born Brighton?)
Noria R ROBINS - 16 (cousin) Match Box Filler
Noria HYAM - 5 months - niece-
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There is a tree on Ancestry
James William PHELPS
parents: Nathaniel PHELPS and Diana(h) DUNN
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1871 Census, Glos South Hamlet
Exhibition Street
PHELPS
Nathaniel PHELPS - aged 58, born Redmarly, Worcestershire
Dinah - 57 - born Tirley Glos
James W - 12 - Scholar, born Glos
+ his older brother Thomas aged 24, Shipping Clerk married with 2 children
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Forest of Dean Family History website (free to join just register)
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/
Baptism at Redmarley
11 April 1813
Nathaniel PHELPS, parents: Thomas (occupation: Miller) & Anne:
and a daughter Carolina in 1814 also at Redmarley
again on the Forest of Dean records
Marriage at Redmarley : 24 February 1812
Thomas PHELPS : residence: Redmarley D'Abitot
Ann FRYER - residence: Redmarly D'Abitot
(married by Licence)
Gloucestershire Marriage Licences have been transcribed on the Forest of Dean website, but Redmarley is in Worcestershire)
1841 Census, Glos St Mary de Lobe
Nathaniel PHELPS - 25 - Carpenter, not born in County
Dinah - 25 - born in County
Mary - 4
Jane - 2
Nathaniel PHELPS married Dinah DANN (as transcribed, looks like DUNN) - at Gloucester St John the Baptism 22 September 1834.
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Another tree on A...... Thomas Cowcher PHELPS - 1790-1824 and Ann FRYER - 1781-1851
which goes back many generations around the Forest of Dean area
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I'm new to this site and I don't find it to be particularly user friendly. Is there a way to message just individuals on here? I'm a descendant of one of a seemingly endless number of people named William Phelps from Gloucestershire England. There was an immigration in the 1800's of at least 6 families worth of Phelps descendants that settled in North East Ohio that I've been trying to map out but I'm looking for information on the part of the tree that didn't make that trip. Any help is appreciated. Most of what I have is speculation based on marriage and baptism documents found on ancestry.com
Thanks,
Tim Phelps
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Welcome to Rootschat, Tim.
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Jamjar
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Thanks for the info, 2 more posts it is. For anyone interested, in 1831 Joseph Pickering, the son of Mary Phelps and Joseph Rowles Pickering, and Ann Phelps, the daughter of John Phelps and Elizabeth Pickering, brought their family to America. Both John Phelps and Mary Phelps appear to be children of William Phelps and Hester Young and siblings of the Thomas Phelps referenced elsewhere in this thread. They lived in what is now the Forest of Dean district, left through the port at Bristol, arrived in New York, took the recently opened Erie Canal to the great lakes and settled in the area of Portage, Stark, and Columbiana Counties in North East Ohio. A Year and a half later Joseph Pickering's brother William Phelps Pickering and his wife Mary Humpidge followed the same route with their family and they made that trip with Ann's brother William Phelps married to Ann (unknown). A few years after them Joseph Pickering and William Pickering's sister Caroline Pickering who married Charles Haywood Jones arrived in the area. Ann Phelps and William Phelps' brother Edwin who married Jane Berry arrived in the 1850's, Edwin died shortly thereafter and Jane remarried a Thomas Phelps (b. abt. 1800) who appears to have been a relative of Edwin, presumably another grandchild of William Phelps and Hester Young but I'm not sure which of their children he belongs to. I descend from a group of 7 siblings born to a William and Ann Phelps, different from the pair mentioned above, possibly the William married to Ann Buston, possibly the William born to James Phelps who married Catherine Humpidge. They came over without their parents in or around 1832, and some moved to Cedar County Iowa about 20 years later. In all about 6 families worth of Phelps descendants totaling at least 44 people came over in the 1800's from Gloucestershire. Again I think they were all descendants of siblings of the Thomas Phelps referenced here (James, Mary, and John). The family relationships I have put together prior to their arrival here in the US are all speculative, corrections and new info is welcome.
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I'm specifically interested in mapping out of the descendants of William Phelps and Hester Young, both to verify what I have put together on my tree, and to learn about family that remained in Europe or traveled to other places.
Thanks,
Tim
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Have you registered with the (free to join)
Forest of Dean Family History Trust
Thousands of records have been transcribed - and also has a forum.
https://forest-of-dean.net
The Forest of Dean Website - allows you to search for witnesses etc etc - which can be useful in working out family trees.
Also have Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730-1823 - which normally gives extra information. Quickly searching for Joseph PICKERING in this Section gives two records - one being the Bond, and the other being the Licence
both dated 7 November 1812
This is a mixture of Record 73820 (Bond) and 53935 ( Licence)
Joseph PICKERING aged 21, Bachelor Farmer, residence: Westbury Upon Severn
Ann PHELPS, Spinster, residence: Churchman
He signs
Witness 1: Joseph PICKERING a Farmer of Bully
The groom and Joseph PICKERING are bound in the sum of £500 To marry at Churcham