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Title: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: CHERAN on Tuesday 02 November 10 21:53 GMT (UK): Is it possible to look up any census information for 1841 and 1851 re

EllisNicholas in Bratton Clovelly Devon.

I have 2 daughters so far....Jane & Mary

I believe his wife maiden name would have been Guest!

Cheran

:) :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 November 10 22:33 GMT (UK): Hi Cheran,

1841 census

HO107/231/4 Folio 6 Page 7
Colehouse
Bratton Clovelly

ELLIS Nicholas 35 Y Farmer
ELLIS Joanna 35 Y
ELLIS Maria 10 Y
ELLIS Grace 6 Y
ELLIS Mary 4 Y
ELLIS Jane 2 Y
ELLIS Nicholas 1 Y

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 November 10 22:45 GMT (UK): 1851 census

HO107/1885 Folio 27 Page 4
Colehouse
Bratton Clovelly

ELLIS Nicholas Head 43 Widow b Bratton Clovelly Ag Lab
ELLIS Maria Dau 20 Unm b Bratton Clovelly Ag Lab Dau Home
ELLIS Ann Dau 7 b Bratton Clovelly
ELLIS Silas Son 5 b Bratton Clovelly

Nicholas ELLIS aged 10 is listed as Cousin "boy on the farm". Head of the house is Nicholas PALMER aged 54 unmarried b Bratton Clovelly Farmer of 180 acres employing 4 ag labs. The others in the home are servants.

HO107/1885 Folio 28 Page 7
Great Burrow
Bratton Clovelly

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: CHERAN on Tuesday 02 November 10 22:57 GMT (UK): Kris

Thanks so much your a gem!!!

I have been working on Jane whilst you found this for me...

now trying to find Jane's emmigration to South Australia look like she is married to James Rundle..

Cheran :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 November 10 23:18 GMT (UK): Here is your marriage Cheran,

ELLISE Nicholas = GUEST Joanna Sisum 21 Jun 1830 Northlew

Jane ELLISE was baptised 20 May 1838 in Bratton Clovelly parents Nicholas and Joanna

Did Jane marry in Devon or SA?

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 November 10 23:26 GMT (UK): There is a group of RUNDLE's arriving 14 Dec 1863 aboard the SIR JOHN LAWRENCE

RUNDLE James (2), Henry, Jane, John, Lydia and William

From memory I don't think you are in SA. Let me know if you want me to take a look at the passenger list when I am town.

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: CHERAN on Tuesday 02 November 10 23:40 GMT (UK): Kris

I have Jane as a Widow marrying in SA to Charles Lee at Bald Hills so thanks for that.
I found James death I believe in Bald Hills and one birth in South Australia for a Richard
I was back tracking from Mrs Charles Lee to find my immediate connection to Mary Westlake (nee Ellis). Her sister Mrs Charles Lee is mentioned in the obiturary.

Is it possible to see if there is a Baptism for Mary ? I think I have her marriage in 1857 just before she emmigrated.

Ps I am in SA so thanks for the offer to look up passenger list, you do so much else for me, I will follow up next in the Libary.

Cheran :) :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 November 10 23:43 GMT (UK): Yes looks good

BISA

RUNDLE James father William was born about 1820in Devon and died 31 Jul 1867 SA buried at Dairy Flat SA arroved 1863 aboard the SIR JOHN LAWRENCE 0ccupation Labourer, Farmer res: Normanville, Bald Hills religion C/E
married 22 Aug 1855 Oakhampton Devon to Jane nee ELLIS father Nocholas. She was born about 1836 Remarried C LEE
children Wm 1855-1863, Jas 1857-1939, Henry 1860-1939, Lydia 1861, John 1863-1945, Richd 1865-1905

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 November 10 23:47 GMT (UK): ELLISE Mary Guest was baptised 2 Oct 1836 Bratton Clovelly parents Nicholas and Joanna.

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: CHERAN on Tuesday 02 November 10 23:58 GMT (UK): thanks Kris this is fantastic information

I will post a new thread for Mary's husband Richard Westlake

Cheran

:) :D :-*
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: CHERAN on Wednesday 03 November 10 00:15 GMT (UK): Quote from: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 November 10 23:18 GMT (UK)
Here is your marriage Cheran,

ELLISE Nicholas = GUEST Joanna Sisum 21 Jun 1830 Northlew

Jane ELLISE was baptised 20 May 1838 in Bratton Clovelly parents Nicholas and Joanna

Did Jane marry in Devon or SA?

Cheers Kris :)

Hi Kris

I found a death 21 June 1849 for Joanna Susan Ellis Bratton Clovelly and an inf Paul Ellis 5 October 1849???

Cheran
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: CHERAN on Tuesday 02 August 11 01:50 BST (UK): Quote from: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 November 10 23:18 GMT (UK)
Here is your marriage Cheran,

ELLISE Nicholas = GUEST Joanna Sisum 21 Jun 1830 Northlew

Jane ELLISE was baptised 20 May 1838 in Bratton Clovelly parents Nicholas and Joanna

Did Jane marry in Devon or SA?

Cheers Kris :)

Kris

I know you looked up this marriage for me last year but wondered if it had any details of whom Nicholas father ...

I have been looking at 1851 census with Nicholas Ellis (cousin boy) at Great Burrow, and found an entry below with a Grace Ellis a widow with her daughter Alice Phear. with granddaughters Honor 12 and Susan 9
. with Nicholas Ellis (10) the cousin boy... I have found a William Phear aged 14... so then on 1841 Census I have
a Richard Phair, wife Allis, son William, dau Honor and a Grace Ellis 65 at Prewley,Sourton Devon... so I have been trying to back track to see Alice and Nicholas are brother and sister.... (Richard burial is recorded in June 1841....

Apparantly there is a William and Grace Ellis (Ellice) with baptism around the era

Given that Nicholas and Joanna daughter was Mary Lovell Guest Ellis, I wondered if there is any way of finding whether either Nicholas mother was a Grace Lovell or Joanna's mother was a lovell...

Cheran :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 August 11 02:17 BST (UK): Sorry Cheran,

Fathers are not recorded at marriage until civil registration began in July 1837. Witness names may help. You could apply for a copy from the records office.

I can see that Richard PHARE = Alice ELLIS in Sourton 8 Apr 1835

It may pay you to request printouts for some of these ELLIS's and like. As with this request, most of what I can see for William and Grace is ELISE/ELLISE/ELLISSE rather than ELLIS

Note: I think Grace is Grace PALMER so don't think she is the LOVELL connection. Young Nicholas is in the home of Nicholas PALMER in 1851.

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 August 11 02:45 BST (UK): Cheran,

This might be your LOVELL connection

Joanna Seccom GUEST baptised 15 Jun 1803 Okehampton

GUEST William = LOVELL Jane 23 Apr 1797 Okehampton

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: CHERAN on Tuesday 02 August 11 03:44 BST (UK): Thanks Kris.... Lots of Palmers in Bratton Clovelly as well!!!!

Ellise/Elise does seem to come up more often than not.

Sorry to sound a little silly, after all the searches but how do you go about requesting Printouts from the record office.

I should know I am sure but I ahaven't been down this path before...

Cheran :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: CHERAN on Tuesday 02 August 11 04:13 BST (UK): Quote from: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 August 11 02:45 BST (UK)
Cheran,

This might be your LOVELL connection

Joanna Seccom GUEST baptised 15 Jun 1803 Okehampton

GUEST William = LOVELL Jane 23 Apr 1797 Okehampton

Cheers Kris :)

Kris

In Mary Lovell Guest Westlake nee Ellis Eulogy there is a reference to Aunt....
Ann Arthur Guest who married a Rev James Brooks... I can't locate any reference to them in South Australia.. wondered if there is a Bapt for Ann....

(it seems Mary had joined the Church at age 15 under the ministry of a Samuel Crocker and Mary's mother home was often a place for Ministers visiting the Bratton Clovelly area... Joanna died I think when Mary was about 13 though)

Cheran :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 August 11 04:41 BST (UK): Hi Cheran,

Here is the copying service

http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/homepage/creativityandculture/archives/ourservices/archiveshop.htm

Seems that the baptism indexes start at 1813 with the FH Society

http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/product_list.php?cat_id=4

I don't have much time at mo. These booklets will not be of help with Nicholas I am afraid as the coverage is after 1813. It might pay you to look at hiring the films into your local LDS FH Centre. It is not expensive and they keep the films for about a month giving you plenty of time to get in to view them.

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 August 11 04:50 BST (UK): Yes!

Ann Arthur GUEST 24 Apr 1801

Ann Arthur Guest (http://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/searchresources/guidetospecialcollections/methodist/using/biographicalindex/gallandtogwyther/header-title-max-32-words-65255-en.htm)

Susanna Honeyburn GUEST 28 Oct 1798
William Bickle GUEST 14 Jan 1806
William Bickle GUEST 19 Jun 1808

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 August 11 04:56 BST (UK): Here is the marriage.

Ann Arthur GUEST = James BROOKS Sep 1/4 1842 Tavistock 9 507

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 August 11 06:02 BST (UK): 1851 Census

HO107/1959 Folio 182 Page 21
Harry Hill
East Dean
Gloucs

BROOKS James Head 61 Mar b Chatham Kent Bible Christian Minister
BROOKS Ann Wife 49 Mar b Okehampston
GUEST William Visitor 79 b Okehampton Widow retired from looking after a pla........

1841

HO107/233/6 Folio 4 Page 3
BeggarsHill
Okehampton

GUEST William 69 Y Ag Lab
BAKER Ann 9 Y MS (MS is male servant so I think someone got it wrong here)

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: krisesjoint on Tuesday 02 August 11 06:15 BST (UK): Ann Arthur BROOKS died in 1872

BROOK Ann Arthur Dec 1/4 1872 Okehampton 5b 261. She was aged 73

She left effects under £100

Ann Arthur BROOKS Mar 28 1873 she was formerly of Ash in the parish of Throwley but late of Meldon both in Devon. Widow who died 30 Sep 1872 at Meldon. Probate granted at the principal registry to Frederick William BOURNE of 23 Herbert St Hoxton Middlesex, Bible Christian Minister and treasurer of the Bible Christian Missionary Society one of the Residuary Legatees

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: look up Nicholas ELLIS
Post by: CHERAN on Tuesday 02 August 11 23:16 BST (UK): Kris

You are amazing! Thanks so much for taking the time with This...

Cheran 8)

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