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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: yonnieboy on Friday 12 November 10 01:09 GMT (UK)
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please,please,please!
could some kind soul please look up the U.S. census for 1910;
SAM COHEN
spouse; Kate Cohen
Address; 321 w44th street, New York City NY who is living in the home & ages please and anything else! This site (321) was re-built in 1929 as a 10 story building and became a famous address for Warner Brothers Music (Jimi amongst others recorded all his monster hits there!) I cannot find out what type of building it was pre-1929, any ideas? ;D
Thanks a million!
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After a quick search, I don't see Sam Cohen. Do you know their dates and places of birth, please? Are you sure it was the 1910 census?
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There are over 500 Sam/Samuel Cohens in Manhattan, the Bronx, and Brooklyn in 1910. As Lisa says, more details needed.
Nick
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That address is in Manhattan, but I don't see any Sam/Samuel Cohens in Manhattan listed with a wife named Kate (and I also searched for names starting with Kat or Cat) in 1910.
As others said, further details may help. If you don't have them, you might want to try this site: http://www.stevemorse.org/census/index.html
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awe thanx you guys! for tryin! ;D
honestly...Kate Cohen is the only definate person I know existed! and I assumed she lived at that address...I drew a lot of conclusions as to the rest,, but 1+1 doesn't always make 2 kinda thing! ...I think maybe I need to re-think ....but it'd be great if someone can help more...
Basically, I am trying to find out who lived at that address in 1910! many persons I am tracing from a family in London stayed there after docking at Ellis Island from the UK around, around before and after that time (1910)and I'm desperate to find who it was they were staying with! Friend, relative I don't know! it's possibly one of the last bits of my jigsaw
so...does anyone know of a way the 1910 census can be searched by address?
cos this may be my next (only) way of finding out!
Thanks again!
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Look at the site I mentioned - that's as close as you can get to searching by address.
Otherwise, it's probably easier just to give us whatever info you have about Kate & we'll check for more info about her.
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thanks everyone espesh....Shelleyesq, you've been really helpful tho I can't access the year in question (1910) without Ancestry subscription...good site tho...I can look it up at my local city records office (free Ancestry.com) but I cant get there (cos of work) for weeks (it's a bit of a drive too)
My research is for a screenplay I'm writing about 'the real' Charlie Chaplin and his friends and fellow troopers that toured the US before he was spotted by Mack Sennett and brought into Moving Pictures. 'Chaplin' the early nineties movie was reasonably accurate in its content but missed-out completely 2 people who were very close to Charlie one being Alf Reeves his old troupe manager (who he later got to run his Studios) and Amy (Alf's wife) ... So (and you'll know this as a genealogist die-hard enthusiast!!) ...They have become so real, so alive to me (and with hand on heart) I want to honour there memory and validate there lives in my story of Charlie Chaplin. :'(
So... Alf & Amy get married at City Hall, NY City 4th Jan 1911 while they were touring the US & so i ordered a copy of the marriage cert from NY. on it shows they were living at 321 W 44th st (yeah both of them!...shocking! but they were actors!) 3 witnesses to the wedding cert were -Alf's brother William (another actor) Muriel Palmer (fellow trouper) and a Mrs Kate Cohen Then Ada & Fred (Amy's sister & brother-in-law, also actors) stayed at the same address when they toured Nov 11th 1911. Now, Alf (you with me so far!) as manager on a the next US tour in 1912 put an 'ad' in Variety magazine declaring themselves available for bookings etc and said all correspondences to ...321 W44th st, c/o of... Sam Cohen!
Now putting all this together was/is Kate Cohen 'the' person at 321 44th st and 'is' Sam Cohen her hubby! ???
Knowledge of who lived there will solve the puzzle....i hope! or it just might be (cos things sometimes are never that easy eh!)... a case of 'the plot thickens...'
Help! :-\
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I haven't absorbed all of the details, but Mrs. Kate could have been Sam's mother, sister-in-law, or possibly there's a chance she was not related at all. (Apologies if I haven't read the details enough to realize she probably was Sam's wife.)
I will have a look around, but I only have a few minutes before I have to leave. :(
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In 1909, 9 people sailed from Southampton to New York. They were joining: c/o Wm Morris(?), American Theatre, 42nd St, New York. One of the passengers was Alfred Reeves, age 38, single, actor, born London. He had been in the U.S. either in 1905 and 1909, or 1905 through 1909. (It was written: 1905/1909.) The passage for all nine was paid by ? A. Reeves. One of the other individuals was Amy Munster, age 27, single, actress, born London.
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With as much research that you've done, you most likely know about this site, but I'm adding in the small likelihood that you haven't seen it:
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
Alf Reeves is mentioned in several articles. If you haven't already done so, you might be able to find out more about the other actors and possibly the Cohens? I did try searching for the address (44th Street) on this site, but didn't come up with any "good" results. I didn't exhaust all variations, though.
I do have to leave now, but I look forward to seeing what you and others may have found in my absence.
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I think I found found Sam & Kate - somehow, they weren't transcribed together. I can't really see the street name, but on the bottom of the previous page, it looks like 44th Street, and the Cohens' address number looks like 321-3.
1910 Census, Manhattan Ward 22, New York, New York
Cohen, Sam, head, male, white, age 32, married once for 12 yrs., b. England, parents b. England, immigrated 1903, naturalized, occupation - stage hand, theatre, rents home
wife Kate, female, white, age 29, married once for 12 yrs., mother of one child - still living, b. England, parents b. England, immigrated 1903, occupation - actress, theatre
son David, male, white, age 11, single, b. England, parents b. England, immigrated 1903, attending school
There doesn't seem to be anyone else at that same address on that page or the one before it, but it says supplemental at the top of their page & it's possible that area could have also been covered by another census taker.
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There are some discrepancies from 1910, but Sam, Kate & David seem to be in Manhattan at a different address on 44th St. in the 1920 Census. Kate is a performer at NY Hippodrome, Sam is some sort of carpenter, & David is a musician for musical tour.
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Again, there are some discrepancies (in 1920, Sam was listed as born Poland & Kate was born England - in 1930, it's the reverse), but Sam & Kate appear to be in Brooklyn, New York in 1930. Sam is listed as a stage hand, and Kate has no occupation. Son David isn't with them.
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it's been a couple o'days since being on line and then....wow! ...you guys have been so busy...you're like the 'super-sleuths!' Pooh and Tigger that my boy watches on TV!
All I can say is a big thank you from the bottom of my heart! :-*
Lisa that's a brilliant site you told me about ;)...and thanx for looking at the shipping records, I'll need to look at all those again and yes it was Amy Minister that married Alf...
and Shelleyesq.... well...what can I say! that's outstanding stuff that you have found out! If we we're actors it'd be a case of 'mwah, mwah darling!' I love your work....
This has given me a good headstart and I am trully grateful to you! Now I am going to track down these Cohens and see where there from... and why they left England etc...
thanx guys!
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I too have found it difficult to find articles on Alf and Amy Reeves, I must say I would love to see a copy of the marriage certificate. Since starting on my family tree, I have found Clara Amy Minister (Amy Reeves) was my 1st cousins 2 times removed. I have found a few bits and pieces over the last year or so that might be of interest to you.
I don't have a great deal to offer but I could probably give you the information on a few sites and articles I have found. Maybe we could compare notes, I am not sure if anything I have is of value to you but I would really like anything you have on Alf and Amy, of course Amy is my main area of interest.
I have found a couple of photos of Amy and also one of the cast going to the US on board the Cairnrona. I have quite a few of the passenger lists and other dates of interest.
I think I have Amy on the 1910 Census: Manhattan Ward 22, New York, Dist: 1347 Sheet: 9 it is very hard to find her though. She has been transcribed as Ammie Menister(which doesn't always show up in searches) Actress born England, none of the other cast members seem to be living there.
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I have looked again at the 1910 census images for Amy, the previous page has the address as W 44th St, Amy is at 321 - 3 with a Kate Morderay? age 64 Theatre Cleaner.
I have found the Cohen's on page 41 of 42, which is sheet 21, as mentioned on one of the other posts, it is a supplementary sheet. Amy (Ammie Menister) is on image 18 sheet 9.
I haven't had any luck finding Alf Reeves on the 1910 Census but I do have Alf and Clara A on the 1920 and 1930 census.