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Title: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Tuesday 16 November 10 15:53 GMT (UK)
I'm looking for any help to trace the history of:

John T F Heath Bn 1877 ...Madras,India
Harriet Alma Heath Bn 1878... Bangalore,India.....(Baptism Found)
Sarah A Heath Bn 1873....Burmah, India

They all appear on the 1881 Dartford census after their return from India after father William Heath was injured in action at Kabul during the second Afghan war  (Mother Mary Anne) but after 1881 they disappear.........i have searched hi and low but cannot find anything on them any help would be appreciated.....

NikE
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 16 November 10 17:52 GMT (UK)
Did William die from his injuries?

If not - could they have returned to India

If yes - did Mary Ann re-marry between 1881 -1891 and perhaps the children are shown under her new married name

Did Mary Ann return to Ireland?

Who is the Nellie Heath you refer to in your subject
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 16 November 10 18:00 GMT (UK)
Thought I would look at it from another angle

Are you descended from one of their children?

If so - which child and where did he/she marry and when
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 November 10 19:11 GMT (UK)
A Harriett Alma Heath married Alexander S Johnson in Toronto, Ontario, Canada on 10 September 1902.  Her father was William Heath, mother Mary Ann Davidson.

Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Tuesday 16 November 10 20:27 GMT (UK)
Hi and thanks...
ShaunJ....That is excellent info to close to not look further maybe i couild find her on a Canadian census to confirm her birth place...

Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Tuesday 16 November 10 20:31 GMT (UK)
Carole,

Thanks as well for looking in....First q is a no

William and Mary stayed in the UK mary died b4 1895 as that is when William remarried.

Nellie is my Gt Gran she was the last child of William and Mary Bn in appx 1883 kings cross ish...birth cert still not found as she changes her age and place of birth on every other doc,

Bstrgds Nik
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 16 November 10 20:54 GMT (UK)
Here's a link to the other thread looking for the Heath family-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=496390.msg3533471#msg3533471
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 16 November 10 21:19 GMT (UK)
Alexander Stewart Johnson, born 6 Sept.1868, engineer, 213 Beresford Ave., Toronto, wife Harriett Alma Johnson- click here (http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=334069&interval=20&&PHPSESSID=rt506tcoou4vk5sn8v2opg6n52) for his WWI attestation papers
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 16 November 10 21:37 GMT (UK)
Alexander Stewart Johnson, born 9 June 1868**, 48th Battery Canadian Field Artillery #316921
Died 12 Dec.1917, buried St. James' Cemetery, Toronto
"Husband of Harriett Alma Johnson, of 3287, Dundas St. West, Toronto, Ont."

http://www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/searches/soldierDetail.asp?Id=24171

** birthdate given here as 9 June 1868 and on attestation papers as 6 Sept.1868 (possibly problem with numerical order of day and month of birth)

See also here (http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem/detail&casualty=426335)
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 17 November 10 06:48 GMT (UK)
Another York Ontario marriage:

18 April 1902

Sarah Ann Heath, born Madras India circa 1871, daughter of William Edward Heath and Mary Ann Davis.
married to
James Joseph Pugh, mechanic born Swansea, Wales circa 1842, son of John Pugh and Olive Smith
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 17 November 10 06:54 GMT (UK)
Widow Harriett Alma Johnston, 38, widow of 213 Beresford Road Toronto, born India, married Christopher H Keller in York county Ontario 1 January 1920. Parents listed as William Heath and Jennie Spence
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 17 November 10 09:37 GMT (UK)
Finally found Harriet in 1911 Canadian census-
213 Beresford Ave. (transcribed as #223) Toronto, York South, Ontario:
Alexander Johnston born 1870 Ontario age 41 Anglican engineer (factory)
wife Harriett Johnston born 1878 Ontario age 33 Anglican
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 09:47 GMT (UK)
Ah so Shauns info could be the remarriage after Alexanders death.....are there any children on it???
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 17 November 10 09:56 GMT (UK)
No children listed in 1911 census for Alexander and Harriett.

Possible sighting of James Pugh (Sarah's husband)-
James Joseph Pugh, age 77, born England, wid., died 7 June 1916 Ontario, buried Aurora Co. [note: Aurora is just north of Toronto]

If so this might be him in 1911-
3 Miller Ave., Toronto, York South, Ontario
James Pugh born July _ age 68 wid.
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:02 GMT (UK)
Sarahs marriage would have been a bizare one with her 31 and Mr pugh 60!!!! dont suppose any children there then!!!

Looking for the girls on the passenger lists.............
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:07 GMT (UK)
If the James Pugh I found in 1911 census is Sarah's husband then he was married before and  had children from 1st marriage.
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:16 GMT (UK)
Ok....
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:29 GMT (UK)
Re Sarah.....have just found a Sarah Shirt 17.....bearing in mind that Sarah was the dau of Thomas Shirt aboard the Parisian 1891..................cat and pigeons!!!
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:30 GMT (UK)
Re Sarah.....have just found a Sarah Shirt 17.....bearing in mind that Sarah was the dau of Thomas Shirt aboard the Parisian 1891..................cat and pigeons!!!
Where was ship going to and from?
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:30 GMT (UK)
Ooops to Nova Scotia.... ;)
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:31 GMT (UK)
From Liverpool....
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:31 GMT (UK)
Sorry....Halifax, Nova Scotia
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:36 GMT (UK)
Halifax could have just been the port of arrival and then she could have travelled onward to Torono/Ontario.
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:40 GMT (UK)
Bingo.....Just looked at the record again and Harriet Heath aged 12 is there also!!!!
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:41 GMT (UK)
Found what looks to be Sarah Heath in 1901 census-
Toronto, West York, Ontario:
Sarah Heath, single, born 20 Mar.1872 India, age 29, Church of England, asst. cook
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:42 GMT (UK)
Plus the ships manifest says Halifax via Toronto....i didnt see that as it was hand written down the side of the sheet....n
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:46 GMT (UK)
Shirt or Heath?? any ideas or could she just be using both names?
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:47 GMT (UK)
Our Sarah was bn 21 Feb 1873....similar
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:50 GMT (UK)
Wonder if this is Harriett in 1901 census?

Toronto, York East, Ontario
Elizabeth Heath, lodger, born 18 Dec.1877 England, age 23 , ice maker?, to canada 1892
Title: Re: Nellie Heath
Post by: nikemri on Wednesday 17 November 10 10:54 GMT (UK)
Birthdate is out quite a bit.... 

How about this for Sarah

Name Sarah Ann Shert
Gender Female
Age 18
Estimated Birth Year 1873
Birthplace India
Marital Status Single
Religion Church Of England
Province Ontario
District York East
District Number 130
Sub-District Scarborough