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First post as i have hit a research brick wall!
If anybody can help me find an elusive ancestor i would appreciate it!
Frederick Storey, born 1845 in Shoreditch, was last found via the 1911 census living with his wife Emma at 93 Shepherdess Walk, City Road, Shoreditch.
I am keen to find out what happened to him after that. Emma died in 1930 and is buried in Abney Park cemetery, London but i can find no death nor burial record for Frederick. I would really like to know where he was buried if possible.
There is one Frederick Storey recorded as dying in Shoreditch in 1918 but his widow is not Emma and i am assuming it is not him as i can find no evidence for a divorce and remarry.
I would appreciate any help with this one!
Many thanks
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Who was Emma's informant on her death cert in 1930,
Louisa Maud
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Hello Stoggsy
Frederick Storey was born in the Dec qtr of 1845 Lambeth R.D (Surrey) and he marries Emma Deller in the Dec qtr of 1871 Shoreditch R.D...the 1911 census indicates that both bits of info are correct.
And for me he does die in 1918 in the Mar qtr within the Shoreditch R.D, stated age is 72 which would be correct......
The information you obtained on that 1918 death is by what means?
Bryant
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Hi
Thanks for taking the time to look at this - i am still mystified!
I had a reply from another source stating that Emma had died in 1930 and was buried at Abney Park Cemetery. Having checked the link that would appear to be the case with the details matching in proximity to Shepherdess Walk and age.
I have not checked her death certificate so i do not know who the witness was in 1930. I guess that would be an obvious thing to do as it would also state whether she was a widow or not.
I have had a look at the death record for Frederick in 1918 and it lists his widow as an Ada Storey. I do not know who this is (query about whether he may have divorced and remarried?). As you say Bryant the age and location do match though.
The same source has also informed me that Ada seemed to marry a different Fred - although i haven't seen any evidence of why this may be so am none the wiser.
I would be grateful for any look ups anyone can do to help disprove or prove any theories or any help in being pointed in the right direction!
Thanks for your help!
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Hi
The other Frederick Storey who died in 1918 (Poplar) left a will. His wife was Mary Ann Ada Storey. Otherwise FreeBMD shows no marriages of Frederick Storeys to Adas in the London area (the nearest being the Midlands).
The Shoreditch death certificate could contain an error Ada for Emma - certificates are not immune from errors.
Or the marriage had broken down and Frederick was living with another woman as man and wife (no marriage or divorce showing). Certificates until the second half of the C20th are largely reliant on what was said to the registrar.
What are the full details of the 1918 death certificate?
Regards
Valda
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Hi,
There is a marriage in 1886 in Marylebone for a Frederick Storey Jul-Sep 1a 1161
Mary Ann A Capon
Henrietta Johnson
Joseph Gould Medland
Sharon
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Hi
The wife of the Frederick Storey who left a will and died in Poplar
Deaths Jun 1918 Storey Frederick 57 Poplar 1c 505
not the Frederick Storey who died in Shoreditch
Deaths Mar 1918 Storey Frederick 72 Shoreditch 1c 124
Regards
Valda
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Hi,
There is a marriage in 1886 in Marylebone for a Frederick Storey Jul-Sep 1a 1161
Mary Ann A Capon
Henrietta Johnson
Joseph Gould Medland
Sharon
Mary Ann Ada Capon married Frederick Storey on 15th Sept 1886 in the Parish CHurch of St Marylebone.
He was 25 and she 22,both single.He was a Coachman of 43 Marylebone Lane ,his dad George Storey also a coachman.
She was of 158 Edgware Road,her dad Edward Capon a coach painter.
Witnesses SC Coote and SI Capon(or mayeb FI Capon?)
So this chap is too young to be your Frederick as the ages on marriage would mean that he'd be born abotu 1861.Therefore not the one whose wife was Mary Ann Ada on the will.
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Joseph Medland married Henrietta Johnson same church,day after ;D
Carol
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Hi
Thanks for everyones replies on this one!
If i am surmising correctly then -
The Frederick that died in Poplar in 1918, was married to Mary Ann Ada Storey (nee Capon) but was too young at his time of death to be the correct Frederick
That would mean the will left by him to Mary Ann Ada Storey is also not relating to the correct Frederick.
It seems to put the emphasis on the March 1918 death as being the correct Frederick - he is certainly in the right place and right age.
It may appear then Valda that your suspicion of an error (Ada instead of Emma) could be correct - is that too much of a coincidence with the other Frederick and his wife Ada?
I will have to look at the death certificate to try to glean more information but do you have any ideas where i can find any information on where he may be buried?
Everything i have looked at seems to draw a blank to date. I don't think he would have strayed too far so it is likely he could be in one of the churches local to Shoreditch but why not Abney Park cemetery like Emma? Are there any other resources on line that i am missing?
Any further help would be appreciated but thanks to all for your efforts so far!
Regards
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Hi
I hope this is a full summary of the details on the two Frederick Storeys who died in the East End in 1918.
The Frederick who left the will in 1918 whose wife was Mary Ann Ada, was the one who died in Poplar
Deaths Jun 1918 Storey Frederick 57 Poplar 1c 505
aged 57, therefore birth year circa 1861
though he may have been a trifle older
Births Sep 1858 Storey Frederick Robert Poplar 1c 567
He is discounted and only mentioned because it is perhaps with him comes the confusion of a Frederick Storey with a wife called Ada? He seems to be the only one in the London area whose wife had for one of her names the name Ada. He would be a perfect match for the Frederick who married Mary Ann Ada Capon in 1886. Apart from that he is of no interest since he wasn't the man who married Emma and died in Shoreditch.
The Frederick who died in Shoreditch in 1918 was older and did not leave a will, if he had this would probably be a lot easier
Deaths Mar 1918 Storey Frederick 72 Shoreditch 1c 124
birth year of circa 1846 and therefore a match to the Frederick Storey who is being sought
Births Dec 1845 STOREY Frederick Lambeth 4 205
who married
Marriages Dec 1871
Deller Emma Shoreditch 1c 302
Storey Frederick Shoreditch 1c 302
and was in Shoreditch with her as late as the 1911 census.
The confusion arrives with this man because his death certificate gives his widow's name as Ada not Emma. It could be a mistake on the certificate, or he was living with a woman called Ada who was living as his wife though was not legally his wife, or he is a doppelganger for the Frederick being sought, but if so who was he since there doesn't seem to be any other Fredericks who are likely fits for this death registration.
There will be few cemetery records online in the C20th for London. Abney Park is one of the major exceptions. There are quite a few to chose from but start with Tower Hamlets and work out from there
Burial guide with links
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=403485.msg2723568
If a private plot was not purchased then the only information will be that contained in the burial register - name, age and address and who conducted the cereremony. The useful information you already have from the death certificate. If a private plot was purchased then you would have expected it to be used for the burial of Emma.
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda
That summarises things pretty neatly- i'll put it down to a mistake on the certificate rather than cast aspersions!
Now i just need to locate him!
Thanks for your help
Regards
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perhaps another way to confirm would be to check the address for the 1911 census in street directories and see when they disappear from there or at least when Mr Storey becomes Mrs Storey indicating that Fred had died
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Thanks Toni
May give that a go aswell to at least narrow things down - still got to find him though!
Regards
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Frederick's son, Herbert Henry Storey, married Ada Harkem in 1906. Could the informant, therefore, be his daughter-in-law rather than wife?
Nigel
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Now there's a thought Nigel 8)
Good idea !
Carol
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Nigel
I think you have sorted it - great stuff.
If he died in Shoreditch Infirmary - i just need to find where he may have gone in 1918 to be buried ie. which graveyards were still operating and Valda has pointed me in the right direction.
Thanks for your help
Regards