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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Tiffaney on Sunday 19 December 10 21:27 GMT (UK)
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My new line of enquiry is to learn more about Kathrine MENZIES
parents & siblings please & John McL (husband) & their children.
All I have is Kathrine married John McLACHLAN on ?, where? and they had a son also John b: 03 Sep 1801 bap: 06 Sep 1801 in Moulin, Perth, Scotland.
Sorry I haven't more at this stage to give you.
Many thanks,
Tiffaney NZ
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There are two on the family search web site
Katharine Menzies to John Mclaughlan 17 Jan 1795 Moulin, Perth, Scotland and the other the same but put as Blair Athol, Perth, Scotland.
Have you discounted those ones?
www.familysearch.org
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Many thanks for your lookup Janinez,
no haven't discounted them but hoping a member maybe able to find census's of their families.
Much appreciated,
Tiff
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Make life easier for yourself.
Go to www.borenich.co.uk and you will be able to look up the Blair Atholl marriage for 17th January 1795. This will tell you where the bride and groom were living at the time of their wedding. Other weddings linked to these places may be of siblings.
Throth
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Whilst waiting for the snow to melt I found the following:
From the Borenich site it is clear the Mclachlans lived at Trean which at one time was in Moulin Parish but is now in Blair Atholl.It was a farm on the Strathgarry estate.John and his sister Christian married in to the Menzies family at Aldclune which is just across the river from Trean.
The Blair Militia List for 1798 shows a John,Fergus and Alexander McLachlan living at Strathgarry.
John McLachlan of Trean who married Katharine Menzies of Aldclune in 1795 had John(b1801)and Fergus (b1807)
John McLachlan Bucklemaker in Dundee married Margaret Scott in Moulin 1834
Fergus McLachlan Spirit Dealer Dundee married Betsey Menzies in Dundee 1838(1841 census says he was born in Perthshire)
In addition Alexander McLachlan of Dundee married Isabel Menzies of Aldclune in Blair Atholl in 1835 but he was probably the son of John and Janet Menzies m1798 who was born in 1799.
The 1798 Militia List shows John and Fergus Menzies at Aldclune.Their marriages are on the Borenich site
Hope this helps you :)
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Thank you both so much ---troth for the excellent site you gave me...good to have and Cambron for taking the time to do lookups for me......wonderful info. I have been hunting for the last few years to confirm parents of John McLachlan b: 1801 & any siblings he may have had and it is a wonderful breakthrough you have given me.
Will print your posts to go through.
Merry Christmas & Happy, safe, & exciting New Year to you both,
Tiff (happy Kiwi)
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We've just added the Blair Atholl marriages (1740 - 1749) and the following might interest you
Elspeth McLauchlane Triane, Moulin 23 Feb 1748
Throth
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Thank you for adding Elspeth also troth.
After reading carefully what Cambron posted on Tues 21 10, 17:00 I saw that John McLachlan b: 1801 married Margaret SCOTT in Moulin 1834 so I'm terribly sorry but it appears I have given you all John 1801's incorrect parents. :-[
Below I have pasted what I had posted on my McLauchlan forum in the hope something may come to light.
JOHN McLAUCHLAN
Name: John McLAUCHLAN (spelling at that time was Mclachlan)
Born: 03 Sep 1801 Dunkeld Perthshire Scotland
Bapt: 06 Sep 1801 Moulin Perthshire, Scotland
Died: 21 Feb 1883 Lincoln Canterbury New Zealand
Bur: McLauchlan Plot Lincoln Cemetery, Canterbury New Zealand
Father: pos: John McLachlan - not proven
Mother: pos: Kathrine MENZIES - " " now don't think Father & Mother are correct.
Married: 26 Dec 1824 in Coupar Angus Perthshire Scotland.
Note: Fiona from Angus Archives sent me following:
John MacLachlan, farm servant in the parish (Coupar Angus) and Marjery Milne in the parish of Cargill Perthshire...two Sundays.
Birth/Bap: Indexing project (batch) number: C11384-4. System origin: Scotland-ODM Source film number: 1040131
Spouse: Marjery MILNE/MILL
Born: c1806 poss. Cargill(lived?) Perthshire Scotland
Died: c1850 in Evelick Kilspindie Perthshire Scotland
(Note: Playing around with the search on Scotland's People, I see there is a death for a May Mill in November 1850 in Kilspindie. Have you checked this one out to see if she is yours? sent by Sarah)
Bur: unknown Cem. Perthshire Scotland
Father: MILNE
Mother:
CHILDREN:
1. Ann McLAUCHLAN b: 10 Dec 1825 in Perth Perthshire Scotland
2. John McLAUCHLAN b: 11 Aug 1828 in Perth Perthshire Scotland
3. Marjory (Mey) McLAUCHLAN b: 12 Sep 1831 in Perth Perthshire Scotland
4. William McLAUCHLAN b: 2 Jun 1836 in Perth Perthshire Scotland
5. James McLAUCHLAN b: 2 Feb 1839 in St. Martins Perthshire Scotland
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Notes:
In 1831 the family lived at Hillyland, on the north-eastern outskirts of Perth.##
In 1836 the family were living on Friarton or Moncrieffe Island on the River Tay at the south end of the Burgh.
1841 Census - Parish Cargill ED 3 Year 1841
Bothy of Nether Buttergask (now West Buttergask) Cargill Perthsire
John McLAMBLAM......age 35.......ag. lab......born: Perthshire
May.........age 30......born Perthshire (nee Milne born cargill)
May.........age 5........born Perthshire
William....age 4........born Perthshire
James.....age 2.........born Perthshire
We now believe Majery died c1850 in Evelick Parish of Kilspindie Perthshire
Later in 1851 in the parish of Kilspindie, Perthshire were listed:
John McLauchlan (snr).. Head.. widower .. 48yrs... Farm Labourer
May McLauchlan ... daughter.... 18yrs
James McLauchlan... son..... 12yrs...... Scholar
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John McLAUCHLAN (snr) born 1801 Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland, who came to NZ on the "Cornubia" in 1855, passed away 21 February 1883. He is buried in the family plot in the Lincoln Cemetery, Lincoln, Canterbury, New Zealand, with his daughter Ann and her husband David DUNN and their daughter Marjory NAIRN.
John was blind & also deaf before his demise.
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## John McLauchlan snr (R01) was a ploughman in North Muirton of Perth in the period 1825 - 1836 when four children were born to him & his wife.
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As you can all see there is still proof to be found about John snr & Marjerys' (wife) parents.
Hope you can still assist me please - I certainly need all the help I can possibly receive.
Thankyou,
Tiffaney
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Pity about the wild goose chase. :'(
The Dunkeld birth isn't on SP.Where did the date come from?
The 1841 Census in Cargill shows the family as McLauchlan.The daughter May is 8 not 5.If the couple married in 1824, as you say,the mother's age (30) has been significantly reduced!
Regarding the mother she is sometimes May and sometimes Mey but more interestingly for the birth of her fist child,Ann, her surname is Mill,for the next two it is Milne and then she reverts to Mill.The latter is what is on her death certificate in Kilspindie.(21.11.1850)
I reckon she was Mey Mill born to John Mill and Ann McGregor in Perth 1799.
The naming of the eldest daughter fits with Scottish convention
:)
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Yes Cambron it is a great pity about the 'Wild Goose Chase'...my only hope in someway it may help another.
Thanksyou so much looking into John McLauchlan & May & their families further for me...feel very fortunate.
The date 1801 he was born is from the McLauchlan family bible.
Be back later. Visitors.
Thankyou,
Tiff
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Throth, you'd posted on the other board about the surname McLauchlin someone was looking for. I found these on FamilySearch in the IGI. Maybe they'll help? I came back to the boards and noticed this post, figured it was the best place for this.
As you probably know, there,s usually more information, but the fields that were empty I've left out to save space.
John Mclachlan bp 6 Sep 1801 MOULIN,PERTH
b 3 Sep 1801 son of John Mclachlan & Kathrine Menzies
Sibling?
Fergus Mclachlan bp 25 Jan 1807 MOULIN,PERTH
b 22 Jan 1807 son of John Mclachlan & Catherine Menzies
These are more likely banns, not a marriage, but they're both here:
John Mclauchlan & Katharine Menzies 17 Jan 1795 Blair Atholl,Perth
John Mclachlan & Katharine Menzies 17 Jan 1795 Moulin,Perth
These two are the only ones I found that matched the date criteria as far as age to be married in 1795, so I copied them, but they may not be the right people:
Katharine Menzies bp 9 Jun 1772 BLAIR ATHOLL,PERTH b 8 Jun 1772
daughter of Alexr. Menzies & Margaret Stewart
John Mclauchlan bp 07 Jul 1772 MOULIN,PERTH
son of John Mclauchlan & Helen Mckiesaig
Hope it's useful.
Robt
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Thanks for your info RobtWB.
Still searching for my John McLauchlan b: 1801 parents.
I thought the 1851 census had he was born in Dunkeld but am obviously mistaken.....botheration.
Tiff
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The John McLauchlane in Kilspindie in 1851 with daughter May was born in Dunkeld according to the 1851 census.
I think you should forget about the McLauchlans of Moulin.
As I previously stated there are no births on SP for someone in Dunkeld with that name in this timeframe so not uncommonly his birth was not registered.
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Many thanks Cambron for confirming that John McLauchlan was born in Dunkeld.
Have you any ideas of where I should go to to find out who John (1801) parents & siblings were. I shall do as you suggest and forget about Moulin.
Thankyou,
Tiff