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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: liffeylander on Sunday 09 January 11 17:57 GMT (UK)
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This is my first post here, although I've lurked for a bit, so hopefully I'm doing things right :)
I recently discovered from family that my ancestor Mary Duffy (aged 44) was killed in the Bachelors Walk shooting of 26 July 1914 - the day of the Howth gun running. According to lore, she was the sister of my great-great-grandmother Elizabeth Tighe (nee O'Brien). I've also been told she is buried in the Republican plot in Glasnevin - I have the burial records to hand, but I have no idea if the details cited would refer to that plot or not.
She can be found on the 1911 Census at 20 Lower Liffey Street, which sounds right - I got the address from a previous thread here (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,452273.0.html) on the Bachelors Walk shootings - with her husband, son, and nephew Thomas Tighe (whose existence I hadn't known about, so I presume he is not Elizabeth Tighe's son - unless it happens to be a middle name or some such thing?)
I suppose I'm looking for any further details linking her with the O'Brien family. Elizabeth Tighe is buried with several O'Brien relatives, as well as the purchasers of the grave who have the name Willis (they seem to be related through their daughter who married an O'Brien). I can't find any links with Mary at all, other than this mysterious Thomas Tighe.
Mary's husband Owen Duffy died in 1926, according to Glasnevin's records, and was buried in another plot, but no names show up that look familiar there either.
Any idea of where to begin the search? I've already looked up the FamilySearch website but the dates here seem just a little too late to be useful. I thought that given the notoriety of her death, there might be a little more research out there to help me out. The Irish Genealogy website might have something, but it seems a little hit and miss, and I've no idea how to verify any details found through it - O'Brien is a common name, after all.
Thanks in advance for any details you might find out. :)
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Sorry, just realised I posted this in entirely the wrong forum. ::) Moderators, feel free to move this to the main Dublin section - apologies!
No Problem... Done - Dublin Moderator
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doesn't answer your question but may be of interest none the less
http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=SU5ELzE5MTQvMDcvMjkjQXIwMDUxMA%3D%3D&Mode=Gif&Locale=english-skin-custom
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That's fantastic - many thanks, Johnny! I never expected to find that amount of detail!
The nephew quoted in the inquest had the same name as her son, but her son could have been no more than 14, so I'm sure it was just a shared name. Not sure that the son would have been in the army though, especially at such an age.
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Hi,
1st post and totally out of my depth, but here goes;
Batchelors Walk massacre 1914.
My great grandmother (Mary Duffy) was one of the four fatalities.
On 9th January 2011 'liffeylander' posted here seeking assistance tracing the burial place of Mary Duffy's husband- Owen Duffy.
Recently, I visited Owen and Mary's grave, and also the graves of Patrick Quinn and James Brennan - other victims of the tragedy.
I'd really like 'liffeylander' to see this post. Can anyone help because I'm a bit clueless in relation to posting.
Cheers guys.
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Phil na hEireann,
I am sure liffeylander will be delighted that you have posted. If you make three posts you will be able to send a PM personal message to liffeylander. Often times when someone reactivates a topic an e mail is sent by Rootschat to the person who started the thread so even if you cannot PM the fact that you have put up this message should activate an e mail.
I do hope you can contact each other.
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To Ourgang,
Thank you very much for your help. It was exactly what I needed to hear.
Phil na Heirann.
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hi my first post here . I too am a great grandaughter of Mary duffy. My Mother * duffy is the daughter of the young owen duffy. She has just turned 80yrs old we had a great chat about it . But my mother was told a different story.We were told the mary duffy of 1914 was helping a wounded person and was then shot herself. My mother had got the original newspaper clipping she showed me yrs ago. But has now lost it/mislaid it around the house.My mother had a brother called owen which would make him owen duffy the third but died in childhood.its facinating to find out the history. sorry but we dont recall anyone with the name tighe or obrien.
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I am also related to the duffys. My grandfather was William Duffy his mother was a Mary Duffy not to sure if it the same Mary as yours mind u. He was in the Royal dublin fusiliers in 1914 his father was Thomas Duffy .
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Hi Guys,
A few details on Liffeylander's Jan 9th'11 post re: Mary Duffy / Elizabeth Tighe (nee O' Brien) / and Thomas Tighe.
Paragraph 4 : Details required linking Mary Duffy to the O' Brien family and also Willis - the purchaser of the grave.
Ok, here goes,
It's seems from the following that Mary and Elizabeth were sisters - both formerly O' Brien's and Thomas was very possibly Elizabeth's son. Check this out;
Mary and Owen's marriage cert on 24 Feb 1900 state Mary's parents as Daniel O' Brien and Mary A. Willis. [ Shane 147 reply #16 17th July'12,19:54pm ] http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a888180061602
Searching these names displays the following as their children;
Maria O' Brien,
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9621b20103375
Eliza o' Brien + Catherine O' Brien http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qg9/
So, Willis's daughter didn't marry an O' Brien - Willis's daughters WERE O'Brien's!
I haven't come across a marriage cert for Elizabeth O' Brien and a Tighe but I searched for a 33 year old Elizabeth Tighe in the 1901 census and I came across one married to Francis Tighe at 14.1 Gloucester Place.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Gloucester_Place/1275059/
This couple had a son called Thomas who's very close in age to the Thomas Tighe in Liffey St with Mary Duffy (nee O'Brien).
Veteran Rootschatters please give me your thoughts on this and confirm if you can.
If this is the case, it's entirely natural that Thomas would have spent time with his Aunt Mary in Liffey Street. The census enumerator must log into the census who's in the dwelling at the moment they call,-whether you live there or not.
The 1911 census shows two extra mouths to feed for the Tighe family (Jane and Patrick) and also a change of address to 4.2 Fitzgibbon Lane. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Fitzgibbon_Lane/31212/
Although Thomas's name is still down as residing with Elizabeth, it's plausible that he moved out to ease the burden, over to Liffey Street to his Aunt - Mary Duffy.
Also, if this is the Thomas Tighe in question, this means that the Irish Independent on 29th July 1914 was incorrect when it stated that Mary Duffy had a SON and a nephew in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers (5th Battalion). It means Mary would have had 2 nephews in the RDF,-
(1) Thomas Tighe
(2) William Duffy, son of Thomas Duffy who was the brother of Owen Duffy - Mary's husband.
Hope this Thomas is our man as I'm losing brain-cells trying to piece this puzzle together!
Many thanks to the veteran rootschatters for their fantastic contributions so far.
Phil na Heireann.
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itsa bit akward init, i got the local paper from libary today about thomas tighes letter to the irish indo on 29th july 1914 very intresting,, thomas states that mary duffy was his mother in it,
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is there away of finding out what hapend to thomas durning ww1 ?
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Hi Will 1890
Yes that's correct, I read that article in question.
Given that the 1911 census states that Thomas was Mary's nephew it is absolutely baffling that Thomas referred to Mary as his Mother in this article.
The records seem to suggest he was Elizabeth's son.
If Mary's sister Elizabeth is the same Elizabeth I mentioned previously - that Elizabeth had seven children in 1911 (see census), while Mary only had one child.
I'm now wondering did Mary adopt Thomas to ease the burden on Elizabeth.
I know for a fact this was common-place at the time due to the hardships involved for people living in the tenements.
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Hi
My first time here too :)
My Grandmothers father, Patrick Quinn was also one of the victims.
I have quite a bit of information on the shootings but am now trying to get more information on him.
I see a mention of someone visiting his grave recently (you?) and wonder if it is also in Glasnevin?
Regards
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Hi Guys,
A few details on Liffeylander's Jan 9th'11 post re: Mary Duffy / Elizabeth Tighe (nee O' Brien) / and Thomas Tighe.
Paragraph 4 : Details required linking Mary Duffy to the O' Brien family and also Willis - the purchaser of the grave.
Ok, here goes,
It's seems from the following that Mary and Elizabeth were sisters - both formerly O' Brien's and Thomas was very possibly Elizabeth's son. Check this out;
Mary and Owen's marriage cert on 24 Feb 1900 state Mary's parents as Daniel O' Brien and Mary A. Willis. [ Shane 147 reply #16 17th July'12,19:54pm ] http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a888180061602
Searching these names displays the following as their children;
Maria O' Brien,
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9621b20103375
Eliza o' Brien + Catherine O' Brien http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qg9/
So, Willis's daughter didn't marry an O' Brien - Willis's daughters WERE O'Brien's!
I haven't come across a marriage cert for Elizabeth O' Brien and a Tighe but I searched for a 33 year old Elizabeth Tighe in the 1901 census and I came across one married to Francis Tighe at 14.1 Gloucester Place.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Gloucester_Place/1275059/
This couple had a son called Thomas who's very close in age to the Thomas Tighe in Liffey St with Mary Duffy (nee O'Brien).
Veteran Rootschatters please give me your thoughts on this and confirm if you can.
If this is the case, it's entirely natural that Thomas would have spent time with his Aunt Mary in Liffey Street. The census enumerator must log into the census who's in the dwelling at the moment they call,-whether you live there or not.
The 1911 census shows two extra mouths to feed for the Tighe family (Jane and Patrick) and also a change of address to 4.2 Fitzgibbon Lane. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Fitzgibbon_Lane/31212/
Although Thomas's name is still down as residing with Elizabeth, it's plausible that he moved out to ease the burden, over to Liffey Street to his Aunt - Mary Duffy.
Also, if this is the Thomas Tighe in question, this means that the Irish Independent on 29th July 1914 was incorrect when it stated that Mary Duffy had a SON and a nephew in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers (5th Battalion). It means Mary would have had 2 nephews in the RDF,-
(1) Thomas Tighe
(2) William Duffy, son of Thomas Duffy who was the brother of Owen Duffy - Mary's husband.
Hope this Thomas is our man as I'm losing brain-cells trying to piece this puzzle together!
Many thanks to the veteran rootschatters for their fantastic contributions so far.
Phil na Heireann.
If anyone still interested Mary Had 2 sons in R.D.F one was from her first marriage the other's name was William, both carried her coffin at funeral..I can put anyone who is interested in contact with a family member who is a historian with good insight into the family.
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hi grizzly1 my grandfather was William duffy ,,,,,,,, as far as I know mary duffy who was killed was his aunt not his mother she was married to his uncle owen duffy?
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hi my first post here . I too am a great grandaughter of Mary duffy. My Mother * duffy is the daughter of the young owen duffy. She has just turned 80yrs old we had a great chat about it . But my mother was told a different story.We were told the mary duffy of 1914 was helping a wounded person and was then shot herself. My mother had got the original newspaper clipping she showed me yrs ago. But has now lost it/mislaid it around the house.My mother had a brother called owen which would make him owen duffy the third but died in childhood.its facinating to find out the history. sorry but we dont recall anyone with the name tighe or obrien.
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hi it’s time here , I have a Owen Joseph Duffy married to a Myra Duffy but can’t seem to find anymore info . Thanks
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Hi
. My grandfather was william Duffy. Owen was his uncle as far as i can make out..
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I believe the Owen Duffy in my tree was born around 1904 Ish