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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: emgee on Sunday 30 January 11 12:25 GMT (UK)
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I have a family in the 1911 Census at 77 Greenhill Road West Bromwich comprising
Thomas Nevitt (head) aged 51
Maria (wife) 53
Thomas (son) 22
Ernest (son) 19
John Walsh (grandson) 9
Fennell Richard (brother) 50
Since the grandson has a different surname I presume there must have been a married daughter that is not shown (possibly dead)
Could someone please find the family in earlier census' to see if there was a daughter.
and also the family of Thomas (head) in the 1861 census.
Thankyou.
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Looks as though Maria
1901 census - 36 Allesley Street, Aston, Birmingham RG13/2871 folio 94, page 11
Thomas Nevitt 40 Scale maker
Maria 42
Harry Walsh 18 - stepson
Thomas Nevitt 12 - son
BumbleB
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Actually I think both statements are correct - 1891 shows a different wife!
32 Oliver Street, Aston, Birmingham RG12/2422 folio 61, page 5
Thomas Nevitt 30 Scalemaker
Kate 27
Thomas Nevitt 2
BumbleB
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1861
RG9/2185/34/24
samuel nevitt age 26. b. birmingham. opcc. viewer of small arms. head
mary age 27. b. ditto. wife
sarah age 6. b. ditto. dauighter
mary.a. age 2. b. ditto. daughter
thomas age 3mnths. b. aston. son
living at;church lane,aston,warwickshire
also living next door is a john nevitt occ. gunmaker
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do you want me to try and go further back with this family?
or forward with thomas?
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From FreeBMD
Marriage March quarter 1893 Aston 6d page 241 Thomas Nevitt and Maria Walsh appear on the same page.
Marriage September quarter 1886 Aston 6d page 439. Thomas Nevitt and Catherine Witherington appear on the same page.
September quarter 1891 death of Catherine Nevitt aged 27 - Aston 6d page 165
BumbleB
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Thanks to you all.
My head's spinning with the info. you've come up with so quickly!
All information is appreciated.
Yes wozzle I would like you to come forward with Thomas to prove he is the one.
- I now see in my file that I did find a Thomas Nevitt (4months) at RG9 / 2163
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It looks as though John Walsh may have been the son of Harry and therefore Maria's grandson and the stepgrandson of Thomas.
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I would be please if someone could trace Harry Walsh in the 1901 Census = thanks
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I think I've already given you Harry's whereabouts in 1901 - with Thomas Nevitt and Maria as an 18-year old stepson at 36 Allesley Street, Aston ;D
BumbleB
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1871
RG10/3146/40/33
samuel nevitt age 37. b. birmingham. occ. gunmaker. head
margaret age 38. b. birmingham. wife
sarah age 16. b. birmingham. occ. cartridge maker. daughter
mary ann age 11. b. birmingham. daughter
thomas age 10. b. birmingham. son
alice age 5. b. birmingham. daughter
nelly age 1. b. birmingham. daughter
living at;57,lister street,duddeston,aston,warks
reg.dist; aston
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1881
RG11/3030/102/14
transcribed as levitt
samuel nevitt age 46. b. birmingham. occ. gunmaker finisher. head
mary ann age 47. b. ditto. wife
thomas age 20. b. ditto. occ. iron filer. son
alice age 14. b. ditto. daughter
nelly age 11. b. ditto. daughter
samuel age 8. b. ditto. son
rachael age 7. b. ditto. daughter
living at;16,proctor street,duddeston,aston,warks
reg.dist; aston
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you already have thomas in 1891 and 1901
here is his family in 1891. thomas obviously not here
whether your thomas is the one posted in 1861,1871,1881, is open to conjecture
though the samuel aged 18 here is a scalemaker so this would add creedence to the fact that this is the right thomas
1891
RG12/2410/95/27
samuel nevitt age 56. b. birmingham. occ. gun maker. head
mary.a. age 57. b. ditto. wife
nelly age 21. b. ditto. occ. warehouse woman. daughter
sam.f. age 18. b. ditto. occ. scale maker. son
rachael age 17. b. ditto. occ. warehouse girl. daughter
living at;bordesley,aston,warks
reg.dist; aston
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cannot find samuel/mary in 1901
but have managed to find the three children nelly,rachel,samuel
they are all married by 1901
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Thank you all for the additional info.
Sorry BumbleB I had meant to ask for Harry in the 1911 Census.
I suppose the only way to find Maria's first husband is to get Harry's birth certificate unless she was married to him in the 1881 Cen sus - Harry was only born a couple of years later.
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Thank you all for the additional info.
Sorry BumbleB I had meant to ask for Harry in the 1911 Census.
I suppose the only way to find Maria's first husband is to get Harry's birth certificate unless she was married to him in the 1881 Cen sus - Harry was only born a couple of years later.
we might be able to trace maria
through the brother richard fennell.
it cannot be the brother of thomas nevitt
so probably the brother of maria
i have richard fennell in 1901 he is with his brother thomas fennell aged 38 and a mary fennell aged 73 (possibly the mother)
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on the 1891 census richard fennell is with mother mary
also there is a harry welsh/walsh aged 7 down as grandson
on the 1861 census mary fennell and her husband have a daughter born 1858 in birmingham
her name is maria fennell
believe this is quiet probably the same maria who marries a mr. walsh then marries thomas nevitt
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are we sure the grandsons surname is walsh and not welch
there is a marriage in 1875 in birmingham of a maria fennell and john edwin welch
they are on the 1881 census maria is born birmingham 1858
john edwin welch is born 1850
there is a death of a john welch in 1887 in birmingham his birthdate is down as 1850
so that would have left this maria welch free to remarry in 1893
plus there is as posted a harry welsh aged 7 on the 1891 census with maria fennells mother
and there is on the 1901 census a harry walsh aged 18 born birmingham down as stepson living with thomas/maria nevitt
there is no birth of a harry walsh in birmingham between 1882-1886
there is however a birth of a harry patrick welch in the 4th qtr 1882 in birmingham
hope you have been able to follow all this
mick.
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hi wozzle
Thank you, you are simply amazing.
I would expect the name to be Walsh and given as such and misheard at the time of the early census' returns. When they were able to spell they began to get it right. That's my theory anyway and I have fround it on other trees.
I believe the Welsh, Welch, Walsh you have found are the same family.
It was very smart of you to use the Fennell brother
Thanks again.
Emgee.
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hi wozzle
Thank you, you are simply amazing.
I would expect the name to be Walsh and given as such and misheard at the time of the early census' returns. When they were able to spell they began to get it right. That's my theory anyway and I have fround it on other trees.
I believe the Welsh, Welch, Walsh you have found are the same family.
It was very smart of you to use the Fennell brother
Thanks again.
Emgee.
looks like you might be correct in assuming the name is walsh
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there is this marriage
harry patrick walsh
y.o.r. 1904
qtr; oct/nov/dec
dist; aston
vol; 6d
page; 577
possible brides; eliza ellen burton,susannah trueman
the only problem with this marriage is that the grandson in 1911 john walsh/welsh birth was regd in oct,nov,dec 1901 in aston
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Thanks wozzell
This wouldn't be the first time a birth was registered before the marriage!
In fact I found it another (Nevitt) line not a thousand miles from this one.