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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: jilldel on Thursday 17 March 11 14:07 GMT (UK)
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I have just discovered your fantastic forum and am amazed to have the chance to possibly push my research even further back in time.
My brick wall is Eliza(beth) Sloan(e)
she was born c1825
and her parents were Mary Sloan and James Sloan
The earliest ref I have is the 1851C Manchester, Ancoats area, showing Eliza, her sister Ann (formally Bridget Ann) (b1831), mother Mary Sloan (bc1797). Mary was a widow I think and I can't find James Sloan in England
ANY info I can gain about any of these people in terms of births and marriages would be fantastic but I am happy just to find out tiny bits of detail so would love it if someone could help - or even better - perhaps they already have a family link! :) ;D
Anyway, Thanks very much for your time, I'll keep my fingers crossed!!
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I have obtained a copy of 'The great Hunger:Ireland 1845-9' by Cecil Woodham-Smith. Although dated now this is fascinating reading and is really making me think about why Eliza Sloan b c1825 in Belfast would have left to go to the slums of MAnchester in the mid 1840s.
I have my first sighting of her on the 1851 Census here, as Eliza Sloan, in a lodging house, and a CD of baptisms from her local church. SHe married William McLoughlin (1861 C)who I think she must have met in Manchester.
However, was 25 in 1851 which leads me to wonder if she had had a family back in Belfast - the book suggests women tended to marry early. Perhaps they all died and she came across with her mother Mary Sloan and sister Bridget Ann. I've always thought of her as a spinster but now am beginning to question this. It may be Mary Sloan is her mother in law. I doubt there will ever be an answer to this but has anyone else had experience of this aspect of family history who could perhaps shed light on it and maybe suggest where I can go next , if anywhere?
Thanks, Jill
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I've merged your two posts together to avoid duplication.
Just a few points to consider.
Eliza Sloan's marriage certificate should list her marital status (single, widowed, etc.) as well as her father's name and occupation. That should clear up your query as to whether Sloan might be her maiden or married name (in which case hopefully her father's name will then give you her maiden name).
Not all women married "early" so don't be surprised of the marriage to William McLoughlin shows her as a spinster.
Not everyone left Ireland due to the potato famine of the 1840s (Belfast was certainly less affected than communities in the rural West of Ireland for example).
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Thanks very much for your reply.
I haven't yet been able to find the correct marriage record - if there is one for Eliza Sloan and William McLoughlin as yet. I did manage to order one for her sister Bridget Ann Sloan which shows her father to be James Sloan. She is on the 1851C, Bck Pott St Ancoats, with her mother Mary and MAry's grandson Hugh Maloy (looks more like McLoy though). I have tracked addresses and matched with all to know that these 3 women are connected. However, an interesting turn this week when Mary Sloan's death cert showed she was widow of Hugh Sloan. So Hugh/James - I'm not so sure. Initially I thought I'd gone wrong but Eliza's illegitimate daughter Ellen Sloan's birth cert, 1853, also shows Bck Pott St as her address. Ellen takes the McLoughlin name on 1861C and her marriage cert.
It would be great to push further back with this family if I can since what I know of them already has fascinated us - Old Eliza ends up in Strangeways prison for receiving stolen goods from her husband and sons after they do over a pawnbrokers. She eventually dies in Chorlton Union Workhouse in Manchester in 1881. Her son John McLoughlin ends up as an Irish Brigade bandit in South Africa. Ellen (our direct ancestor) gets away from it all and ends up marrying into a branch of the STalybridge Cotton Mill aristocracy.
I have a soft spot though for Old Eliza and feel she had a bit of a rough deal in life. Reading Andy Davies' book 'The Gangs of Manchester' helped me understand what her life would have been like with her sons being scuttlers.
The England Census returns for the Sloan sisters and mother state Belfast, Ireland as their place of birth but this may be where my trail ends!
I'm currently browsing through all the available info on your site and can't help noticing that there don't seem to be many Sloan's !!
Thanks again for your advice,
Jill
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To find Irish connections to your Sloan family you'll need to know both the family's religion and where they lived (parish if not actual townland or, in the case of Belfast itself, street). There are lots of Sloans here but not all records survive and of the surviving records not all are online.
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Hi,
Unfortunately, so far all I know is that they are RC.
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Hi all, my family are Sloane not all Sloane's are RC with E like mine they are Presbyterians descended from Scotland came over to Ireland in the Plantation it is worth searching the free Irish census 1901-1911 or any records in Ireland my family link is Toal or Tole anyone out there glad to hear from you,tobyma123 :)
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Toby, Jill is looking for Sloans who left Ireland (Belfast?) before 1851 so unfortunately the 1901 and 1911 census records won't be much help.
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Hello aghadowey, i did not know where to post this reply to you i simply meant if any of the relatives were left behind when family left ireland it might be worth looking at census also i would like to point out that Sloane or Sloan is a difficult name to research because people often leave off the E as i said some are RC some are not the certs from Ireland are also expensive £14 that is a lot regards tobyma123 :)
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Thanks for your help toby, it would be lovely to find out that Eliza had left some family behind but I'm now probably at the end of where I can go with this unless anyone can find the death or residence of her father. However, the problem there is that he has been listed as a James Sloan (daughter bridget Ann's marriage cert - since she is largely refered to as Ann, Bridge may well be her Saint's name) and a Hugh Sloan (on his wife's death cert). There is also a Maloy link into this family too at this point in their history but again, I'm waiting on a cert from PRO to verify which of the sisters was his mother.
As you can see I'm now clutching at straws but am delighted to discover that it is Belfast that she can pin her little flag into.
Best wishes, Jill
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Hi jilldel,i have the same problem i do not know who my fathers father was after spending £14 pounds on his birth cert to top it all they have put the price stamp right on the front of the cert ,i do not know how they can justify that price this was from Belfast so i would warn other Rootchatters about this disgraceful practice have they no sensitivety.I do not think we are connected but the very best of luck in finding your family it can be difficult at times. regards Tobyma123. :)
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Dear Jill,
Just joined Roots Chat and came across your posts; I'm related to the Sloans. Bridget Ann Sloan was my 2nd ggm. I have assumed Hugh Mulloy was her son as he is with her on the 1851 and 1861 census but both occasions Mary his gm is also with him so he could even be the child of another of Mary's children that stayed in Ireland. The age gap between Eliza and Bridget makes me think that there must be others.
Do we have the same census findings. I have for them:
1851: Mary Sloan 67; Ann Sloan 18; Hugh McLoy 3 in 4 Bk Pott St
1861: John Scott 33, Ann Scott 30 (nee Bridget Ann Sloan), William4, Margaret 2, Mary Mulloy (Mary Sloan) 64, Hugh Mulloy 13.
Mary is down as mother in law and widow and Hugh as Brother in law. Her age also changes but Hugh's is accurate.
I think Hugh dies in Jun 1865 in Rochdale aged 17 but I have not bought the cert to check.
I also have Bridget's marriage which has James Sloan as her father.
I haven't located Eliza and William McLoughlin's wedding.
Nor have I located Mary's death so if you could let me have details of that that would be fantastic. I lose her after 1861 census.
As for Eliza I have her in 1851 as a visitor aged 25 with Patrick Coleman (musician from Ireland) and family in Ancoats?
1841 it is possible that she is a servant in Manchester (aged 15) but it states she was born in M/c.
Anyway, enough for now- please get in touch and we can try and fill in some blanks.
Best wishes
Ann
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Hello Ann I think on this one I can count myself out (my ancestors Sloane) are
Scots descent would not have been RC Sloan without E is usually RC.
However you might try Newry Donaghmore Loughbrickland and Banbridge
genealogy site they have many names on there and info on the churches.
also a site called Cindy's list loads of stuff on there.
regards tobyma123. :)
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Hello Ann I think on this one I can count myself out (my ancestors Sloane) are
Scots descent would not have been RC Sloan without E is usually RC.
However you might try Newry Donaghmore Loughbrickland and Banbridge
genealogy site they have many names on there and info on the churches.
also a site called Cindy's list loads of stuff on there.
regards tobyma123. :)
Spelling was very fluid and impossible to say religion based on spelling (I know of Sloans that were not Catholic and Sloanes that were Catholic).
Many R.C. church registers now online- http://registers.nli.ie/
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Hello aghadowey I stand corrected you are probably right, I was just going
on what my father told me when he lived there.
regards tobyma123. :)