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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Philcandy on Thursday 31 March 11 21:48 BST (UK)
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Fellow rootschatters
I am seeking information about Robert ROBSON, who was born about 1842 and died in 1874 as a result of an accident. He married Margaret Elizabeth FORRESTER in 1867 and had four children:
Margaret Merry Robson 1869
Neil Robson - 1870
Margaret Merry Robson - 1872
Robert Robson - 1874
I have three questions:
1. Is there any sign of Margaret and the children in the 1881 census, given that Robert died in 1874?
2. Is there any sign of a Robert's burial in the family vault in the Glasgow Necropolis?
3. Did Robert leave a Will?
I believe he was a Colonel in the 19th Lanarkshire Rifle Volunteers, and that his father was well-know Glasgow engineer, Neil ROBSON (1808-1869).
Can anyone help with this inquiry?
many thanks in anticipation.
Philip Candy
Toowoomba, Australia
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Marchmont Terrace was and still is, a very desirable street in the west end of Glasgow. Back in the 1870s it was full of town houses, these have now been divided up into flats (apartments) and they still fetch a lot of money.
The 1881 census for 2 Marchmont Terrace, Glasgow.
(1881 - 646/2 - 34 - 44)
Margaret E. Robson, head of house, widow, aged 36, born Glasgow.
Margaret M. Robson, daughter, aged 11 years, scholar, born Glasgow.
Neil R. Robson, son, aged 10 years, scholar, born Glasgow.
Agnes Mary Robson, daughter, aged 8 years, scholar, born Uddingston, Lanarkshire.
Robert Robson, son, aged 6 years, scholar, born Glasgow.
M McDonald, servant, unmarried, aged 25, governess, born Sutherlandshire.
Mary Corner, servant, unmarried, aged 20, cook domestic servant, born Glasgow.
Margaret McInnes, servant, unmarried, aged 20, tablemaid, born Stonehaven, Kincardineshire.
Catherine Crawford, servant, unmarried, aged 26, nurse domestic servant, born Bute.
Hope this helps,
Lodger
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2 records showing on Scotlands People for RObert Robsons will
1 Robson Robert 01/08/1874 Coalmaster in Glasgow, residing in loancroft Uddingston, Spouse of Margaret Elizabeth Forrester - Trust & Settlement, GLASGOW SHERIFF COURT WILLS SC36/51/66
2 Robson Robert, 01/08/1874 Coal Master, Glasgow who resided at Loancroft Uddingston - GLASGOW SHERIFF COURT INVENTORIES SC36/48/74
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In 1891 the son Neil Robson still living at 2 Marchmont Terrace with his 2 sisters
2 Marchmont Terrace, Glasgow
Name Relation Age Sex Profession Birthplace
Neil Robson Head 20 M Student of Medicine Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Margaret M Robson Sister 21 F Living on Private Means Airdrie, Lanarkshire
Agnes M Robson Sister 18 F Living on Private Means Uddingston, Lanarkshire
Margaret J McKenzie Housekeeper 38 F Lady House Keeper Kilchoan, Argyllshire
Jane McLean Servant 34 F Cook Domestic Broadford, Inverness-shire
Jessie Gillanders Servant 27 F House Maid Domestic Contin, Ross-Shire
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Thanks so much for these very quick and helpful postings. It all ties together with some information I had found about Robert's father Neil ROBSON (see last paragraph of this biography entry: http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/mlemen/mlemen080.htm)
Could I impose a little more? Is there any sign of Robert in earlier censuses? I'd like to find his date of birth and also top locate him in 1861 or earlier in the household of his putative parents, Neil and Agnes ROBSON.
Also, I think his sisters' middle name was Merry not Mary; they were named for their mother's family; she was previously Agnes Merry before marrying.
Kind regards and many thanks for this great help.
Philip
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1871 Census - Living at 32 Berkeley Terrace, Glasgow
Robert Robson, Head, age 28, born c1843, Glasgow, Coalmaster
Margaret E. Robson, Wife, age 27, born c1844, Glasgow
Margaret M. Robson, Daughter, age 1, born c1870, Glasgow
Neil Robson, (Son,) age 8 months, born c1870, Glasgow [Ancestry lists his realationship as Servant!!)
There were also 5 servants listed.
Anne.
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1861 Census - Living at 18 Park Terrace, Glasgow
Neil Robson, Head, age 54, born c1807, Kilwinning, Ayrshire, Iron Master
Agnes Robson, Wife, age 51, born c1810, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Janet C. Robson, Daughter, age 20, born c1841, Glasgow
Robert Robson, Son, age 18, born c1843, Glasgow, Civil Engineer
Agnes Robson, Daughter, age 14, born c1847, Glasgow
James M. Robson, Son, age 11, born c1850, Glasgow
Neil Robson, Son, age 9, born c1852, Glasgow
There were also 8 servants listed.
Anne
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1851 Census - Living at 26 Woodside Place, Glasgow
Neil Robson, Head, age 43, born c1808, Kilwinning, Ayrshire, Civil Engineer
Agnes Robson, Wife, age 40, born c1811, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire (Listed as Gnes)
Jessie Robson, Daughter, age 10, born c1841, Glasgow (Janet/Jane/Jean/Jessie are all interchangeable)
Rob Robson, Son, age 8, born c1843, Glasgow, Civil Engineer
Agnes Robson, Daughter, age 4, born c1847, Glasgow
James Robson, Son, age 1, born c1850, Glasgow
There were also 4 servants listed.
Anne
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Thank you so much for this. It all ties together with other sources to establish the link I was looking for.
Now to find them all in the family vault in the Glasgow Necropolis!!
Many thanks indeed.
Philip Candy
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1841 Census - Living at Canning Place, Glasgow St. Mungo
Neil Robson, age 33, born c1808, Scotland, Civil Engineer
Richard Robson, age 20, born c1821, Scotland, C. Ap?
There were also 2 servants listed:
Mary Caldwell age 20
Agnes Wilson age 20
Anne
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The Mitchell Library in Glasgow has Burial Records for the Necropolis on Microfilm, so if you were to contact them, supplying names and dates of death, they'll do a look up for you.
I don't know whether there are Lair Owners Records available for the Necropolis - this would obviously be the easiest route to follow providing you knew the details of both the Section and the Lair Number?
Burial Records are in date order, so it would be a case of trying to trace each individual by the date of their death.
Anne
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This is hugely helpful, thank you
From an online obituary, I discovered that Neil Robson's father was Robert, so that carries me back another generation.
The Richard in 1841 must be a relative - perhaps a brother - of Neil's.
I really appreciate all your help with this inquiry.
Regards and thanks
Philip Candy
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My pleasure Philip!
You didn't say which in which newspaper you had found Neil's Obituary?
Have a look here (Glasgow Herald): http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=18690202&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
I'm not sure whether the above link will take you to the exact page, but if you look at the edition of February 2nd, 1869 and go to page 5, at the top of column 1 is an Obituary and on the same page, on column 6 (about 2/3rd's down) is the Intimation of his death.
Anne
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Anne
This is great; I wonder if there's an obituary for his sons - especially Robert who died on 1 August 1874?
The obits I found using Google Books and they were in Engineering, Railways and other professional journals. Often you are limited to just snippet views, which are tantalizing, if somewhat unsatisfying!
Best regards
Philip
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Hi Philip
Interesting further bios on Neil Robson here:
www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=202953
www.archive.org/stream/proceedingsroya08glasgoog/proceedingsroya08glasgoog_djvu.txt (large document, use 'find' for Neil Robson!).
Monica :)
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There looks to have been a legal dispute against Margaret Forrester Robson by a Robert Forrester who I think was involved in the coal business of Forrester & Robson following the death of Robert Robson, see the Glasgow Herald on January 29, 1875 http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=18750129&printsec=frontpage&hl=en - page 5, start of column 6.
The main free Glasgow newspaper archives available currently to view on line are for the Glasgow Herald, issues range from 1800 - 1990. More issues continue to be added. The only problem is that you cannot search editions by key words, so you have to know what dates to check before starting a search. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC - simply add year for search to see what issues may be available (insert a year in 'Date' box).
There are gaps on available issues though.
Monica
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I just wanted to thank you very much for all this information and very helpful leads about the ROBSON family of Glasgow.
I started off not knowing very much at all about this family, and now I feel I have a really good undetstanding of the family, and some excellent leads to follow up.
Thank you very much for all your help and advice.
Kind regards --- Philip
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I was searching for information on Robert Robson and came across this old post. In a letter that I have which was written in 1874 was mention of the accident that killed Robert. He apparently fell from his horse which then rolled on him. The letter also states that he left a widow and 3 children. I was trying to determine if he was related and in the posts I see that one of the children has Merry in her name. My husbands Great x 2 grandfather's( the letter writer) 1st wife was a Merry so that must be where the connection is. Hope this is some interest for you.
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This sounds most interesting, and the recurrence of the name "Merry" seems to be quite compelling that they are related to you.
Best wishes and thanks
Philip Candy