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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Rod In Sussex on Saturday 23 April 05 21:08 BST (UK)
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Do you live a long way from Sussex, but need a place visited?
Over the summer months I will be travelling all over East Sussex for various cricket matches, probably once or twice a week. I cannot guarantee to be anywhere (or everywhere either), but if you would like me to, I can find half an hour when going to or from a match to stop off on the way.
If this would help any of you, please let me have the details of where you would like visited and what you need to know. I may not get there, and may not find what is required, but I will do what I can. Churchyards, farms, streets, villages, memorials or whatever.
All you have to do is ask!
Rod
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I would like to take up your kind offer. My interest is in Horsham where my grandparents were married and raised five children-their names were ERNEST, FRANK, GERTRUDE, IRIS, EVIE Address was 12 Trafalgar Road, His name was GEORGE HOWARD married to EVA MAY WELLS he was a soldier in WW1 and served abroad as a stretcher bearer. I think he was also a bricksetter at one time.
Thanking you in advance
vj
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VJ,
I have noted the details and will follow this up when I am next in the Gatwick area (West Sussex), but this may not be for some weeks. There are two churches shown on the road map as well, so I will have a look in them as well if I have time. If all else fails I am due there in December for a business meeting!
Rod
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if you get time could you please visit this place? I am not sure of the exact location but if you had a roadmap i'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to find.
http://www.theholidaycottages.co.uk/print_cottage.php?cottage_id=621
It used to be the home of my Great Grandad and his parents in the early 1900's
Amy
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:) Hi Amy,
What else do you want from New Hall.
The photo's you posted are what it is now.
What are their names? Did they stay in the area of New Hall?
Lesanne. :)
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:) Hi Amy,
What else do you want from New Hall.
The photo's you posted are what it is now.
What are their names? Did they stay in the area of New Hall?
Lesanne. :)
Hi Lesanne,
I would just like to know what the house is like and the surrounding area, all we know about the house is what i posted, the names of the people living there in 1901 were:
Albert Lincer - Head
Mary Lincer - Wife
Lawrence - Son
Emma - Dau
Alice - Dau
Dick - Son
Ernest - my Great Grandad
Kate - Dau
Do you live in Sussex?
Amy
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I live in Sussex and occasionally drive through Small Dole. I am not sure that I can add much to what it says on their website though. It is a fairly small place. I have not noticed much about it I'm afraid. Its claim to fame as far as we are concerned is that is has a firm that delivers central heating oil! I could go and look if you tell me exactly what you want.
Andrea
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I live in Sussex and occasionally drive through Small Dole. I am not sure that I can add much to what it says on their website though. It is a fairly small place. I have not noticed much about it I'm afraid. Its claim to fame as far as we are concerned is that is has a firm that delivers central heating oil! I could go and look if you tell me exactly what you want.
Andrea
Thanks for the information Andrea, i had no idea of the heating connection, i've always wondered when they moved out? Because as far as i know they owned and worked on the property, i have no idea if it was inherited by one of the children when the parents died or if the parents sold it. I don't know if that information can be found out from anywhere?
Amy
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Sorry, I did not mean that house had the heating connection but the village! Have you looked for a will? They are indexed on fiche after 1858 and available at the FRC in London but I expect other places have them too. Jonathan W (moderator) was offering will look ups when he goes to Holborn (the will place now) so it might be worth keeping an eye out for his next one but you would need a date of death. There are various books about tracing the history of a house and they would tell you how to look at the land registry details to see when the house was sold. Have you thought of writing to the current owners and asking them? Or even ringing them up. Many people are really interested in the past owners of their house and as they are in the village they could ask the local history society if anyone knows about your family.
Andrea
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Sorry, I did not mean that house had the heating connection but the village! Have you looked for a will? They are indexed on fiche after 1858 and available at the FRC in London but I expect other places have them too. Jonathan W (moderator) was offering will look ups when he goes to Holborn (the will place now) so it might be worth keeping an eye out for his next one but you would need a date of death. There are various books about tracing the history of a house and they would tell you how to look at the land registry details to see when the house was sold. Have you thought of writing to the current owners and asking them? Or even ringing them up. Many people are really interested in the past owners of their house and as they are in the village they could ask the local history society if anyone knows about your family.
Andrea
Thanks for the help, i thought about writing to the current owners, do you know the actual address of the house? I have wondered about trying to find some wills but i am unable to go to the records office to view them and i don't think you can look at them online (and probally not without a fee)
Amy
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The address is Mrs Carreck, Newhall, Newhall Lane, Small Dole, Henfield, West Sussex. BN5 9YJ I found that on www.bt.com which gives all British phone numbers.
You can search wills before 1858 online though you have to pay to look at them but it is not much. £3 per will I think.
www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ A very interesting site.
Put a request on for someone to look at the post 1858 ones when they go to the Family record centre. There is a board for that. I go occasionally but am not intending to go in the near future.
Whereabouts are you? If you have a local LDS centre you can order films through them.
Andrea
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The address is Mrs Carreck, Newhall, Newhall Lane, Small Dole, Henfield, West Sussex. BN5 9YJ I found that on www.bt.com which gives all British phone numbers.
You can search wills before 1858 online though you have to pay to look at them but it is not much. £3 per will I think.
www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ A very interesting site.
Put a request on for someone to look at the post 1858 ones when they go to the Family record centre. There is a board for that. I go occasionally but am not intending to go in the near future.
Whereabouts are you? If you have a local LDS centre you can order films through them.
Andrea
Thankyou for the address, i shall send her a letter sometime this week.
I have searched the wills on the National archives site but they have no Linscers, Lincers or Linsers that i recognise.
I am in Colchester, i don't think we have a LDS centre near us?
Thanks again for the help
Amy
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:D Hi Amy,
Trying to send you a PM but keep getting errors.
The christian names are not recognised. There was a family rift. Pre 1901.
One brother didn't wan't any association with the family so changed the spelling.
The common ancestor will be, one but next, back.
Their are a few of these people in the area that presume they are not related.
The name has it's origins in Austria/Germany. Oldest recorded name there.
Sussex Life mag did an article on New Hall. A few years back.
Lesanne. :-\
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The nearest one seems to be Hornchurch - you can check where they are on the familysearch site
Andrea
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Hi Rod,
On checking my details I find I have given you the wrong address for my grandfather George Howard, the correct one is
3 Spring Gardens, Trafalgar Road, Horsham.
Sorry for the mix up.
Regards vj
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No problem. I am away for a while now but will try and get up there in Jume.
Rod
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Rod,
This is a really lovely offer you are making here.
Like VJ I am interested in the Horsham area. The family I am researching is Edwards. James Edwards married to Mary who sillgen found for me on the 1861 Horsham living at St Leonards R????. There are several James Edwrads married to a Mary in this area unfortunately and for a while I got sidetracked with the wrong one. My two had a son called Alfred James and according to the census info daughters Ellen and Emily.
What I'd really like to know is if James born c 1811 is the son of John born 1781, he appears to be. Dimps found a family on the 1841 Horsham which looks to be them.
Maybe there is a gravestone that could link these people ? I don't know really what you could find, but really appreciate the offer to look
Siouxzie
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Hello Rod
If you haven't been too inundated with requests and you happen to be anywhere near the churchyard of St Laurence, Guestling, I would really love it if you could look up these graves.
James Gain buried 1842
Avice Gain buried 1836 (James's wife)
Thomas Buffard buried 1832
Thomas Buffard buried 1842 and yet another
Thomas Buffard buried 1851
Sarah Buffard buried 1872
I wouldn't expect you to copy down all the inscriptions but if there's anything that you think might be helpful written on the graves (particularly relationships) I would be very pleased to know it. Also any other Buffards or Gains there might be buried there.
It's very kind of you to make this offer! I hope you enjoy your cricket matches and your travels round the Sussex countryside.
Jane
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Siouxzie and Jane,
have just returned form a business trip but will try and get out to these by the end of June. I am sure that I will be in those areas at some stage over the summer, but please be patient if it takes a few weeks
Rod
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No problem Rod. And don't worry if you don't manage to get round to it (I'm not holding my breath!)
Thanks again
Jane
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Just thanks for the offer, I am not even sure what there is to find, so no rush.
Siouxzie
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Hi Rod,
thank yu for your kind offer. If it is not too much to ask, I was wondering if you could check the graves at St Nicholas church in Brighton for George & Harriet GATES.
I believe George died around 1846 and he does not appear in the 1851 census, and his wife Harriet was born 29th March 1796, and is in the 1861 census.
Their children were Oliver, Stephen, Thomas, Eardley, Ann, Maria, Nathan, George, Harriet, David[who died in Australia],
Thanking you for your time,
Liz from Australia
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Liz,
I hope to be in Brighton some time in June and will look take a look at St Nicholas when I am there. Please remember that this might not be for a few weeks, so please be patient.
Rod
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thanks Rod,
I look forward to hearing from you & I hope it's not a wild goose chase for you as I'm not sure if they are buried there. Their children were baptised & married at St Nicholas so I'm assuming that is where they're buried.
Thanks again,
Liz
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Dear all,
I have not forgotten any of you. I have, as luck has it, been at the other end of the county, abroad or suffering from the worst summer cold I ever had. As a result I have not been where I needed to be to follow these up yet. Sorry for the delay, but I will get it sorted as soon as I am in the area of your requests.
Rod
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Rod
Looks to me as if you have enough to do!! However I see you already have a request for St Nicholas Brighton. Don't look especially but should you happen to come across any Newnham information there I would be very grateful. There were a lot of them and all related. Some of them are also known as Muzzall Newnham and Whiffin Newnham.
Family home was 10 York Place but I gather that area is now the haunt of local drug addicts so don't go there!!!!
This request is really only if you come across them when looking for something else as I'm sure you have enough to do!
Anything I can do in Gloucestershire for you let me know.
Jo
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Hi Rod
Hope your feeling better.
I'd like to add to your list if possible. I am interested in piccies of my paternal grandfather's village SEDLESCOMBE - generations of our ancestors were unadventerous and stayed put there from as far as 1600's - Until Gramps yearned to join the Met Police force. He moved down into London ( Hornsey) . I must have his sprit as a Londoner I have made Ireland my home now.
Anyone interested in HASTINGS? I have some lovely postcards from 1930's and I have scanned them in I happy to share the images with you. Should you like PM me your e mail address and I will forward them on.
Once again thank you for your kind offer Rod.
Much happiness
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Hi.
Sorry to hear you have not been well,hope you are better now.I hope you could if you have time when you do go to St Nicholas Brighton look for any parish records for the Marsh or Mersh family.I would love to find the parents of a BRIDGER MARSH baptised c 1729,I think his parents were Thomas and Joan nee Wood who married there in 1727.
Someone did tell me the parish records only run from 1800!
Thanks so much Jean in Perth Austraila.
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Is anyone near and able to visit St James churchyard in Ashurst? If anyone is i would love a digital photo of these two graves:
Lucy Linser died 29 Jun 1836 aged 21y
Elizabeth Linser died 29 Jun 1836 (i don't know how old she was but i am intregued that she died the same day as my G G G Grandmother and would like to know if Lucy perhaps died in childbirth with her of if there was some sort of accident)
Amy
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I might be able to go to Ashurst over the next few weeks. Will take the camera if I do!
Andrea
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I might be able to go to Ashurst over the next few weeks. Will take the camera if I do!
Andrea
Thankyou,
Amy
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Amy
Did I go to the right Ashurst? The one near Henfield? There are no Linser graves there. We were lucky that the next door neighbour came out as we were searching and opened the church to show us a list he had done of all gravestones. There were no Linser or variant names on it. The stones were very worn so a lot were totally illegible but he seemd to think he had notes of all burials there. Sorry. If it was the wrong place let me know and I will try again.
Andrea
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Amy
Did I go to the right Ashurst? The one near Henfield? There are no Linser graves there. We were lucky that the next door neighbour came out as we were searching and opened the church to show us a list he had done of all gravestones. There were no Linser or variant names on it. The stones were very worn so a lot were totally illegible but he seemd to think he had notes of all burials there. Sorry. If it was the wrong place let me know and I will try again.
Andrea
Is there more than one Ashurst in sussex then? All i know that it is St James churchyard in Ashurst. I know there is a St James church in School Lane near Steyning, i only thought there was one Ashurst in Sussex?
Amy
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;D Hi Amy, It's St Andrew's here in Steyning. St Peters in Upper Beeding, St Botolph's in Coombes and Botolph's, St Nicks in Bramber. I can't remember Ashurst or Wiston or Ashington or Washington. But they are all within a couple of miles of each other.
Lesanne.
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I could only find one Ashurst on the map but I assumed that you knew that the gravestones were there so was worried I might have gone to the wrong place!
Andrea
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Hello Amy and Andrea,
According to www.allaboutsussex.co.uk
St James
Church Lane
Ashurst
Nr Henfield
W. Sussex
BN44 3YL
Phil
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Hi Amy,
Had to do a delivery to Ashurst this a.m.
so I though you might like a photo of the church. Also took one of the stones,
so you could see how bad they are to read.
It would take a good few hours to go over all of them.
Lesanne.
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;D Perhaps some kind person would whizz that top photo round,
I haven't got that far yet...... ;D Lesanne.
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I could only find one Ashurst on the map but I assumed that you knew that the gravestones were there so was worried I might have gone to the wrong place!
Andrea
Hi,
I too had a look on a map and only found one Ashurst near Small Dole, Henfield, Horsham area which is where the family lived. I was not given any information to the whereabouts in the churchyard they are buried only that they are buried in St James, Ashurst. The information was given to my by the Sussex Family History Society where they have a very good burial index so i would think they information is very accuarate.
Amy
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Hi Amy,
Had to do a delivery to Ashurst this a.m.
so I though you might like a photo of the church. Also took one of the stones,
so you could see how bad they are to read.
It would take a good few hours to go over all of them.
Lesanne.
Thankyou for the photos Lesanne, i will print them off and put them in the ever growing family folder.
They do look rather hard to read, much like the stones in the churchyard where i live.
Amy
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That explains it. I did go to the right place but the fact that they were buried there does not mean they had a stone to commemorate them unfortunately. I wish it did - I would know a lot more about my relatives if they had been rich enough to afford headstones!
Andrea
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That explains it. I did go to the right place but the fact that they were buried there does not mean they had a stone to commemorate them unfortunately. I wish it did - I would know a lot more about my relatives if they had been rich enough to afford headstones!
Andrea
Oh no, that's a big shame. I was hoping that they would be buried next to each other so that we might know more if Elizabeth was Lucy's child and she died in childbirth with. Is there any way of finding out if Elizabeth was Lucy's child? Would the church itself hold any records?
Amy
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I am sure the parish registers will say who they were. They generally put "wife of" or "child of". They will be at Chichester Record Office, who might have a transcription on their shelves, or you can order the film from your nearest LDS centre. Although if you got the details from the SFHG there may not be any more to see.
Andrea
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Hi Amy,
I think it best, if you write to the church, giving the info that you have
and what you require. If you address it to the "church warden", your letter
will get to the right person.
I'm sure thet would only be to pleased to help. :D
Then, if you do find anything, either Andrea or myself can photo.
Excuse me Andea for adding, but I'm sure you share my sentiments, that we
will help all we can.
Lesanne. :D
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You remember my neighbours, your distant rellies, well, I hope that their daughter
is going to do their family. This should tie you up with the Linscer here.
I will be helping her when I get back from hols. Lesanne.
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I think I probably spoke to the church warden and he did not know of the graves but he was helpful. However the registers will not be in the church so he will not be able to look at them. I have checked and they are in Chichester, unless he has kept a copy. I suppose that is possible. Good luck anyway!
Andrea
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I am sure the parish registers will say who they were. They generally put "wife of" or "child of". They will be at Chichester Record Office, who might have a transcription on their shelves, or you can order the film from your nearest LDS centre. Although if you got the details from the SFHG there may not be any more to see.
Andrea
Thankyou, i will put them on the growing list of potential places to visit. It has been years since we went to Chichester and would be nice to go back, if i wrote to the records office there would the be able to look for me? Do you think there would be a charge?
Amy
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You remember my neighbours, your distant rellies, well, I hope that their daughter
is going to do their family. This should tie you up with the Linscer here.
I will be helping her when I get back from hols. Lesanne.
Yes i remember, it would be nice to tie them into the tree, i think i opened my tree for you at genes connected? I have added more Linscers to the tree there quite recently. If she needs any help with the tree just let me know and i will see what i can do.
Amy
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Yes please if anyone is still up,
I am looking for the graves of George Montgomerie Neilson and his wife Agnes B Neilson, George died 1961 and Agnes in 1965 ?
In HORSHAM.
Sorry do not know how big the place is in regards to cemeteries, etc.
Also does anyone know what the local newspaper would have been at that time, 1960s .
Thanks
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Rod,
One less for you to do. Back in May, I asked you to research my Edwards in Horsham. Well scrap that, as I have had a major upset with this line and I am back to the drawing board. ???
I was convinced I had the right line for my James Edwards, but having received a marriage certificate for him this morning, I am in total confusion. I had his father as John, the certificate says Henry.
Do you know where Westmeston is in relation to Horsham ? On the 1861 Census James gives his birthplace as Horsham. But the IGI have found for a James Edwards born c 1817 says Westmeston.
Oh I am in a pickle
Sorry to muck you about
Siouxzie
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Westmeston is near Ditchling. South of Burgess Hill. Nowhere near Horsham. There is an Edwards family there in 1851. Henry age 59 b Pyecombe a Carpenter but no James b 1817. You need to search the Horsham parish registers on film - do not rely on the IGI which is not always full coverage.
Andrea
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Hi Rod if your going any where ner Lewis can you see if theres any graves of the name HOLMAN l would be very interested if there is any
Thank you
Alison
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Holman is a very common Sussex name. There are several churches in Lewes. do you know which one? I think Chris in 1066land has some memorial inscriptions for Lewes so it might be worth doing a separate post to ask for a look up so that he sees it.
Andrea
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Sillgen & Amour
There are quite a few HOLMAN families in Lewes.
Exactly who am I looking for and what time period.
Chris in 1066
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Amour
Here are a few from St John Sub Castro Burial Register
DATA HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TO A POST JUST CALLED 'HOLMAN'
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Hi Chris
I see that you may have already answered this Holman query as there is another post just called Holmans from amour.
I thought it sounded familiar!
Andrea
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Hi Rod,
I am in Australia and Congrats on winning the Ashes.
My ancestors originated from Mountfield. I will be visiting the UK in May 06 and hopefully Mountfield. I beleive it is a very small village and I am curious as to whether there would be any records of burials in the local churchyard to help locate gravesites.
Can you help?
Thanks Harry.
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Hi
If there is a transcript of monumental inscriptions it will be at Lewes record office. Why not ask Chris in 1066 to take a look when he is next there? He has an offer on the board at the moment. Some churches have a list in the church, some don't. Lewes would be worth a visit anyway to check the parish register as I do not think Mountfield is included on the IGI - not according to my book - though that is a few years old and may be out of date.
I did not watch the cricket!
Andrea
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Hi
If there is a transcript of monumental inscriptions it will be at Lewes record office. Why not ask Chris in 1066 to take a look when he is next there? He has an offer on the board at the moment. Some churches have a list in the church, some don't. Lewes would be worth a visit anyway to check the parish register as I do not think Mountfield is included on the IGI - not according to my book - though that is a few years old and may be out of date.
I did not watch the cricket!
Andrea
OOPs Andrea, I am sorry I thought I was asking Chris. You are right, Mountfield isn't included in the IGI.
thanks for replying anyway.
Harry
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Do you live a long way from Sussex, but need a place visited?
Over the summer months I will be travelling all over East Sussex for various cricket matches, probably once or twice a week. I cannot guarantee to be anywhere (or everywhere either), but if you would like me to, I can find half an hour when going to or from a match to stop off on the way.
If this would help any of you, please let me have the details of where you would like visited and what you need to know. I may not get there, and may not find what is required, but I will do what I can. Churchyards, farms, streets, villages, memorials or whatever.
All you have to do is ask!
Rod
Hi Rod,
I am in Australia and Congrats on winning the Ashes.
My ancestors originated from Mountfield. I will be visiting the UK in May 06 and hopefully Mountfield. I beleive it is a very small village and I am curious as to whether there would be any records of burials in the local churchyard to help locate gravesites.
Can you help?
Thanks Harry.
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Hi, I submitted a request re a visit to Mountfield on Sept 14th but have not had a response.
I suppose your cricket season has finished and you are not travelling so much now?
Harry
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http://www.villagenet.co.uk/esussex-iron/villages/mountfield.php
Is this any use to you? :D Lesanne.
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Yes, Thank you ;D
Harry
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HI. Rod
I noticed that you have been inundated with look up requests about Sussex sites. When do you find time to play cricket?
I would also like to take up your kind offer as i am from the other side of the world in Australia.
My G/G grandfather was James Knight a convict transported to NSW. in 1834 from Lewes Quarter Sessions.
James was born in 1814 in Hurstpierpoint Sussex one one 12 children born to Thomas Knight & Sarah Harmes. James, & 4 of his brothers,Henry,Thomas.William & David and their father Thomas snr. all died in NSW.
Old Thomas Knight's father also named Thomas was born in Hurstpierpoint/Twineham(1756) & his wife Mary Ede was born in Chuckfield (1758).
I have no knowledge at all about Hurstpiepoint & would love to find out any thing at all about the Knight family especially if there are any head stones etc.
Once again thank you for your kind offer Rod
Brian
From Down Under.
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Hi
I don't think I have seen Rod on the board for a bit. If you google Hurstpierpoint you should come up with various hits. There is an independent school there now. There is also a Historical Society. The church is called St Lawrence and it is right in the middle of the village.
There are lots of Knights there in 1851. There was a flourishing family in Cuckfield too at that time. The villages are not far apart. The Edes are a prominent family in 1851 in Cuckfield.
I would expect that any headstones will have been transcribed and will be in the record office. Both Lewes and Chichester have their catalogues on the A2A site I believe.
If there are any Knight stones I could take photos for you - though I am away in the near future.
Andrea
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HI. Andrea
Thank you very much for your kind offer re. taking photos of my ancestor's headstones.that would be so helpful to me to enter into my book.
I took your advice & have been in contact with the Hurstpierpoit Historic Society,Will be sending my cheque to join inn the next few days.
You said that the head stones have most likely been transcribed by whom?
Excuse my ignorance but what or who is a "A2A site"?
By joining the Hurstpierpoint Historic Society I gain access to their data base & a copy of the history of the town!
How can I get access to the various Census records listing the Knight families living in Cuckfield from 1841 -1881?
Once again thank very much for your help.
Regards
Brian
(From down under)
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Hi I am on holiday at present but will check about transcripts etc when I get home. I have various Knight census records for Cuckfield as others are also researching that line. If you join www.ancestry.co.uk you can search all census except 1841 online. well worth it. Try a free trial first.
A2A is the national archives online site. Covers many record offices and other places.
Andrea