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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: lyndyloo6 on Saturday 23 April 11 14:29 BST (UK)
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well, if anyone has any ideas left as I am just about done with my great granpa, William Ross, c1872.
I still have no birth cert for him, I have his marriage cert and his death cert with all he very different info. ( I have yet to find his birth cert so I can go back another generation. Been looking for years now).
I have the 1911 census and he is living at 35, Braeside Croft, Fettercairn, aged 38, occupation is crofter and shepherd. HIs children are William aed 5, Isabella aged 3, Sarah Jane, aged 1 (my Granny). His birth place is now given as Banchory, Kincardineshire. The last census in 1901 it was Aberdeenshire, KN. Which I think means not known....
Has anyone got any ideas cos I really am stuck here and would so much have liked to have gone back a wee bitty further.....
Thanks anyway,
Lynda
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What are his parent's names on his marriage and death certs?
If he was born about 1871 have you found him on the 1881 census in case he is at home with parents and siblings?
When did he marry and what is his wife's name?
You have two different places of birth for him from the 1901 and 1911 censuses - what does it say about place of birth on the 1891 census?
:)
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In 1891, there is a William Ross of the right age who is a farm servant living and born in Banchory Ternan, Kinc. (Address 'Eslie' according to the transcript on Ancestry. He is with the Coutts family. This ties in with the information given on the 1911 census so I wonder if this is your William.
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he was maried in 1904 at burns of guienea in Glenbervie to Isabella Gibb. His parents name on the marriage cert are, William Ross and Florence Smith. (Not married) His parents names on the death cert in 1956 are William Bremner and Florence Smith. (married). een in touch with the bemnaer socoiety and they have no record of this marriage. I have never found Florence Smith in Scotland. In 1881 I am sure he is on a farm as a boarder/scholar in
Banchory ternan, 1891 Jacobshall as a farm servant, place of birth given as King Edward, Aberdeen. 1901 at Kinneff and Catterline, place of birth Aedeenshire not known.....
I have o go and start a shift at 3.30, so will be back about tennish...apologies if I dont get back to u before this...
Lynda
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Please please let it e my william.....
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can i suggest trying alford fh society
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I'll have to sign off soon too.
When you have a minute can you give the details of William in the 1881 census? I can't see the one you referred to.
Maybe someone will be able to step in with some great finds while we're off line. :)
Can you tell us what William the father's occupation is on both certificates?
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hi all :)
there is william bremner ross born 14th aug 1872 st nicholas aberdeen
mother isabella ross
if his father was william bremner and mother was flora smith i can't understand
why he would take the surname ross ???
ev
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This is the info that I have so far from the census....
Name: William Ross
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 252
Registration district: Banchory Ternan
Civil Parish: Banchory Ternan
County: Kincardineshire
Address: Mains Of Tilquhilly
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 11
Roll: cssct1881_71
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Duncan 11
James Henery 5
Jean Lawson 71
Margaret Lawson 22
Mary Jean Lawson 2
James Moir 14
William Ross 8
Mariage certificate says that Williams father, william ross was employed as a farm servant and Florence smith was a domestic servant. I also note that the male witness is James Henry, who was with william at Mains of Tilquilly, Banchory and Ternan and they must have remained good freinds.
On the death certificate Williams parens are stated as William Bremner, Ploughman, and Florence remner, ms Smith. There is no eord of his marriage.
I also have looked a the birth certificate of William Bremenr Ross and really think that this must be it, but I am not positive. I have spoken to the granson who registered the death and he does not remember anything about the bremner bit, but I am assuming that Gt aunt Isaella, His daugher may have sent this in note form in an envelope, as hey did in those days. William died in 1956 and alex, he grandson who regisered his death would have been about 16.
1891
Name: William Ross
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingedward, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 155A/1
Registration district: Gamrie
Civil Parish: Gamrie
County: Banffshire
Address: Jacobshall
Occupation: Farm Servant
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 46
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1891_43
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Cumming 57
John Grant 16
Peter Paton 23
William Ross 19
Christina Strachan 15
John Watson 37
James West 14
1901
Name: William Ross
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdeenshire-N-k
Registration Number: 262
Registration district: Kinneff and Catterline
Civil Parish: Kinneff and Catterline
County: Kincardineshire
Address: Little Barras Bothy
Occupation: Farm Servant Shepherd
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1901_83
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Berry 29
Charles Cargill 40
Charles Cargill 6
David Cargill 3
Elizabeth Cargill 35
Elizabeth Cargill 4
Hector L Cargill 11mo
James S Cargill 10
Peter Cargill 30
George M Davidson 14
Robert Grubb 18
Maria Hutcheon 20
David McCondach 22
William Ross 28
Alexander Smith 39
Gordon Wood 17
I ahve gone over and over all this info and am sure that I am missing something.....
Lynda
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Maybe James Henry and William were rothers or cousins.......
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hi all :)
there is william bremner ross born 14th aug 1872 st nicholas aberdeen
mother isabella ross
if his father was william bremner and mother was flora smith i can't understand
why he would take the surname ross ???
ev
Maybe a remarriage? Maybe William Bremner died and Flor(ence) remarried a Mr Ross, so William was known by two surnames? :-\
But that Aberdeen birth looks very interesting - and if he was illegitimate it might explain confusion over the surname. But, wrong mother's name? I vaguely remember a William Ross with mother Isabella on one of the censuses .... :-\
Lynda, If you haven't already done so, I think you should look for all the William Rosses born Aberdeen and Kincardine around 1873+/- 2ish, then follow each one through the censuses. (Maybe put them all down on paper so you can see where you've been ;)) There are also some baptisms on the IGI which fit in with the various Williams on the censuses .... perhaps a process of elimination might help. :-\
At one stage I did wonder if you were getting more that one William Ross mixed up which would explain the anomaly in place of birth. It is difficult to trace someone when they are away from the family at census time. William may have been living with virtual strangers who gave his details at census time - they may not have known his place of birth. :-\
Just got red notification but will go ahead and post this anyway .... ;)
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You say:
"Mariage certificate says that Williams father, william ross was employed as a farm servant and Florence smith was a domestic servant. I also note that the male witness is James Henry, who was with william at Mains of Tilquilly, Banchory and Ternan and they must have remained good freinds.
On the death certificate Williams parens are stated as William Bremner, Ploughman, and Florence remner, ms Smith. There is no eord of his marriage.
I also have looked a the birth certificate of William Bremenr Ross and really think that this must be it, but I am not positive."
Ah, I thought the parents were William Bremner and Florence Ross MS Smith. I didn't know she was aslo named as Bremner. :-\
What parents are named on this birth certificate?
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The birth cert for William Bremner Ross states his mother is Isabella Ross.
My Keyboard keeps sticking...sorry...
Lynda
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The birth cert for William Bremner Ross states his mother is Isabella Ross.
My Keyboard keeps sticking...sorry...
Lynda
Ah, that's the one found by ev above. :-\ When I was looking at the censuses last night I remember seeing a William Ross with a middle initial but I dismissed him due to this - I must look again. ;)
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william B ross in king edward in 1881 but this is Barclay parents charles ross
and elizabeth morison(born 1871 king edward)
i wonder if it is this william ross you have found on the 1891 census :-\
ev
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Hi... I have managed to find the extract from the 1939 National Register....
Address was Scotston, Laurencekirk,
Name, William Ross,
DOB, 17/4/1872
Married,
Occupation, Farmer.
I have search all the Entries for Aberdeen and Kincardine. The nearest DOB I found was The William Bremner Ross one which if I remember was 17th August, 1872...
Lynda