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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: jenc on Thursday 28 April 11 14:39 BST (UK)
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Trying to find out as much info as I can about a certain Alexander Storm, son of James Storm and Janet Smith, born 13th March 1832 in Findhorn, Morayshire.
He was a shipmaster, his death cert of 1901 shows he married twice, 1st to Elizabeth Grassie in Greenock 1862 they had several children and she died in 1885. The second wife's name is I think, Ann Hay (can't find a marriage certificate for them)
He died in Gartnaval Asylum, but his usual residence is given as The Anchorage, Tayport.
The reason for my interest is, he is buried in Tayport next to my grandparents grave. A close family member is buried in the 'Storm' grave and the story goes that he was a friend of my grandmother's family (Gourlay, Brown or Berrie)and our family have the deeds to the plot.
I am wondering how he came to live in Tayport in his later life and also where The Anchorage is situated in Tayport. Tried Google Earth, but no luck.
Incidentally my grandmother's father, Peter Brown was the first cemetery superintendant of Tayport Cemetery, my grandmother was born in the Cemetery Lodge in 1889 and the family plot is just yards from the Lodge!
Hoping some of my fellow Rootschatters can come up with some info
Jenc
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Happened to spot your Captain Storm whilst looking for an ancestor of my own - don't know if this is info you already have. No mention of "Anchorage" in an address in the Tayport section of the directory.
Captain Storm, shipmaster, Albert Street, Tayport - Dundee Directory 1890 - 1891
Alexander Storm, shipmaster, 5 Battenberg Tce, Tayport - Dundee Directory 1899 - 1900
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The Liverpool Mercury, Saturday, November 26, 1887
MARRIAGES
Storm - Hay - Nov 9, by special licence, at the Church of the Advent, Boston, by the Rev Francis Sherman, Alexander Storm of Burghead, Scotland to Ann, second daughter of the late James Hay, of this city, formerly of Aberdeen
regards
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Hi there
Thank you both for that very helpful information
Captain Alex apparently brought Ann back to Scotland as I found her death certificate from 1923.
After Captain Alex died in January 1901, she married a ship's carpenter called Joseph Falconer on the 13th May, 1903, Garmouth, Morayshire. She was 61 and he was 53.
Ann was 80 when she died at Kingston, Garmouth, Morayshire on the 9th October, 1923. Her husband was the informant on the certificate.
Battenberg Terrace, seemingly, was re-named Albert Street , so I guess 5 Battenberg Terrace was ' The Anchorage ' in 1900.
Incidentally, shanghaipanda....this might help in your Storm family research. I found this on the 1891 census -
Plymouth Charles - Vessel 'Janet Storm '
Alexander Storm 29, captain (master) place of birth Scotland Findhorn
George Wood 42, mate " Scotland Banff
David Young 44, crew, a b seaman " Scotland Leith
John Jeffrey 18, crew o.s. seaman " Scotland Findhorn
William Smith 23, crew cook & o.s. " Scotland Findhorn.
The 'Janet Storm' was built on Speyside for a James Storm who was a banker in Glasgow.
Sadly she went down with all hands off the Bellrock about a year later.
I'm still trying to find the connection between my family and the Storms, maybe someday.
Cheers both
Jenc
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Jenc,
Had spotted the sinking of the "Janet Storm" and wondered about the possible 2 Captains Storm, Findhorn.
Aberdeen Weekly Journal Mon Nov 28 1892
SHIPPING CASUALTIES - THE MISSING VESSEL JANET STORM
All hope of the Janet Storm, which left Hartlepool for Fraserburgh with coal some 6 weeks ago, has been given up. The vessel belonged to Mr John Storm, Glasgow, and was under the charge of his brother, Captain Alexander Storm, belonging to Findhorn, where he left his young wife and child......
Had wondered if this was the Captain Storm that Ann Hay might have married - but you have resolved that.
regards
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Glad to have helped with that....but I got the banker's name wrong oops. yes it should have been John Storm, not James.
I imagine all those seafaring Storms from Findhorn are all possibly related in some way.
Regards from Jenc
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I wonder if there is a connection to the writer Storm Jameson - the first female president of English PEN - who was born in Whitby in 1891 to William Storm Jameson, shipbuilder, and Hannah Galilee. As the name Jameson/Jamieson is Scottish, this family may have originated in Scotland, just as Captain Cook of Whitby was the son of parents from Roxburghshire.
Harry
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Have a look at this
http://www.tayport.org.uk/photo.php?id=181&theme=Other
I live in Tayport (but not born and bred). I'll try and find out if anyone knows which house was the The Anchorage.
Bob
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Hi Bob
Thank you for that link.
I had a look to compare it with modern day Albert Street on Google streetview and that first house on the right has a nameplate beside the front door, it's out of focus, but it looks like ' The ...... ' might be The Anchorage but just too blurred to confirm.
Regards from Jen
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Hello
FYI there is a 5 page will and a 5 page inventory on Scotlands People.
STORM ALEXANDER 23/07/1901 SHIPMASTER, "THE ANCHORAGE," TAYPORT, D. 21/01/1901 AT GLASGOW, TESTATE INVENTORY ONLY CUPAR SHERIFF COURT SC20/50/83
2 STORM ALEXANDER 12/07/1901 SHIPMASTER, "THE ANCHORAGE," TAYPORT, D. 21/01/1901 AT GLASGOW, TESTATE WILL SC20/56/1
Regards, Steve :)
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Hi,
I'll take a look sometime over the weekend just in case it is still called that. Will let you know.
Bob
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jenc, try the National Archives, you might be lucky. http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/ don't be too specific, trawl through what turns up. (there are nearly 700 hits for strong!) Names like Battenburg were very unpopular during the Great War, and were changed. Skoosh.
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Hi Bob Steve and Skooch
Hope it's a nice sunny day in Tayport for you Bob, happy hunting and thanks again.
Captain Storm's Will sounds interesting....might give a clue as to why he is connected to my grandmothers family.
Jen
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See this from Tayport Community Website.
http://www.tayport.org.uk/forum.php?forum_id=10&parent_post_id=529
I've not had a chance to go over and look for my self yet.
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Hi Bob
Oh my!
That does seem promising...all the time getting closer to Captain Storm.....thank you once again for your interest and input, the family member buried beside Capt Storm is my own father!!!!!..sadly lost touch over the years with my 'FIFE' family because of 'marriage ' breakdown etc .... but just would love to know why there is this connection....
Warmest Regards from Jen
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No problem. I've had plenty help on this site. I presume you have a photo of the gravestone? Bob
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Hi Bob
Afraid I don't have an actual photo, but I visited earlier this year. I didn't know anything about the story till quite recently when I heard it from a new found cousin!
From the Storm gravestone I found out the Captain's date and place of birth which was really helpful.
The grave is situated near the roadside boundary wall, 5th from the Cemetery Lodge, my grandparents lair is 4th from the Lodge. You can actually see it on Google street view.
Jen
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House Identified: 28 Albert St. On Google Earth I could see house number for 24 and 30 so can work out which one is 28. I still have to pop round there myself (weather has been rotten here and road has been closed there for roadworks).
http://www.tayport.org.uk/forum.php?forum_id=10&parent_post_id=529
'Hi Bob It is the house I thought it was. It is on the left [that is as you look up the hill] just about 5 houses past Braid Rd. It is number 28 if you look at the pane of glass above the front door you will see it still says The Anchorage. Albert St was like many other streets it had little groups of houses like Myrtle Terrace just past Spiershill and probably their own numbering for the Terrace. I came from Isla Place with our own numbering system. With that in mind The Anchorage may have belonged to Battenburg Group of houses hence confusion with the numbering. Vera Tayport born and bred'
Bob
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Hi Bob
So good to find The Anchorage at last!!! It seems it IS one of the houses on that old photograph!
It's nice to see the area as it was in the Captain's time.
Thank you once again and pass on my thanks to Vera :)
Jen
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I have a photograph album of Scottish Sea captains who stayed in San Francisco. One of them is of Alexander Storm born Morayshire 1848, and he appears to have been one of the two Alexanders from Findhorn. All I know about him is that in 1880-1881 he was captain of the barque, 'Duncraig', of Glasgow, and that by 1887 his ship was the 'Seiriol Wyn' (or something like). Can anyone help identify this Alexander?
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Hi everyone hope you all had a great Christmas and a' the best for 2012 :)
I think the Captain Storm born 1848 was the son of James Storm and Jane Smith.
They were married on the 2nd June, 1834 at South Leith, Midlothian.
This James was born on the 21st January, 1848 Kinloss, Morayshire.
The Storms from Findhorn would probably all have been related in some way, so I imagine this Captain Storm is a younger cousin of ' our ' Captain Storm
Jen
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I have a photograph album of Scottish Sea captains who stayed in San Francisco. One of them is of Alexander Storm born Morayshire 1848, and he appears to have been one of the two Alexanders from Findhorn. All I know about him is that in 1880-1881 he was captain of the barque, 'Duncraig', of Glasgow, and that by 1887 his ship was the 'Seiriol Wyn' (or something like). Can anyone help identify this Alexander?
Just signed up to let you know I have come across him too while hunting down a Captain John Storm down here in Australia who is my great-great-great Grandfather. I am still trying to determine if Alexander is a direct relative but I can tell you he spent a lot of time in Australia the Duncraig under him ran around 24 times between Australia and New Zealand and once or twice to Shanghai and San Francisco that I can tell from various newspaper articles from the time.
There is a plethora of articles on him from the Australian national archives http://trove.nla.gov.au/ if you do a search for "Captain Storm" and sort by Decade. Still pulling it all together and cross checking dates but thought it was worth mentioning. :)
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Hi Murraystorm
That is really interesting I will have a wee look at that link....jenc
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Hello Chudleigh: I am very interested in your message mentioning a photograph album of "Scottish captains who stayed in San Francisco," among them Alexander Storm (b 1848, Ayrshire). I suspect he was born in Fairlie, like my great-grandfather, Francis McNair (b 1852) who also went to sea in command of windjammers, was a friend of Alexander (I think they both married daughters of Peter Taylor, another mariner), and put in to San Francisco many times. Alexander's daughters, Bessie and Katey, remained in touch with my family well into the 1970s. There is family lore to the effect that Alexander would not go over to steam, whereas Francis did in 1896. Would you forward a scan of Alexander's image from the album? It may be that we have a photo of him, but don't know him to see him. Of course, if the album includes a photo of Captain Francis McNair, I would love to see that, too.
A Merry Christmas to you!
Don McNair (Vernon, British Columbia)
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Hello Chudleigh: I am very interested in your message mentioning a photograph album of "Scottish captains who stayed in San Francisco," among them Alexander Storm (b 1848, Ayrshire). I suspect he was born in Fairlie, like my great-grandfather, Francis McNair (b 1852) who also went to sea in command of windjammers, was a friend of Alexander (I think they both married daughters of Peter Taylor, another mariner), and put in to San Francisco many times. Alexander's daughters, Bessie and Katey, remained in touch with my family well into the 1970s. There is family lore to the effect that Alexander would not go over to steam, whereas Francis did in 1896. Would you forward a scan of Alexander's image from the album? It may be that we have a photo of him, but don't know him to see him. Of course, if the album includes a photo of Captain Francis McNair, I would love to see that, too.
A Merry Christmas to you!
Don McNair (Vernon, British Columbia)
I have both Captain Alexander Storm b. 1848 and Captain Francis McNair b. 1852 on my Taylor tree. Both married to Taylor woman. I would like to know if they are the same one's you have?
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Hello Chudleigh: I am very interested in your message mentioning a photograph album of "Scottish captains who stayed in San Francisco," among them Alexander Storm (b 1848, Ayrshire). I suspect he was born in Fairlie, like my great-grandfather, Francis McNair (b 1852) who also went to sea in command of windjammers, was a friend of Alexander (I think they both married daughters of Peter Taylor, another mariner), and put in to San Francisco many times. Alexander's daughters, Bessie and Katey, remained in touch with my family well into the 1970s. There is family lore to the effect that Alexander would not go over to steam, whereas Francis did in 1896. Would you forward a scan of Alexander's image from the album? It may be that we have a photo of him, but don't know him to see him. Of course, if the album includes a photo of Captain Francis McNair, I would love to see that, too.
A Merry Christmas to you!
Don McNair (Vernon, British Columbia)
I have both Captain Alexander Storm b. 1848 and Captain Francis McNair b. 1852 on my Taylor tree. Both married to Taylor woman. I would like to know if they are the same one's you have?
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Hi, I'm D McNair's cousin - he was trying to reply to you but failing to get through. I'm also connected to Captain Francis McNair, but not to Captain Storm except by marriage through D's family. I have photos and information about Francis and his family on my Ancestry website.
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phylscot, hope you get my message I sent you. I do not why your cousin could not get through to me. Hope we can sort it out.
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Hi
Don needs to have a post count of 3 before he can both send & receive personal messages. If someone has already sent him a message, his post box will apear to be full and he won't be able to do anything more until he replies on a topic again.
As long as his email address hasn't changed he should receive notifications that we have all posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Thanks Dawn, I notice afterwards that he had only one post.
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Hi, I'm D McNair's cousin - he was trying to reply to you but failing to get through. I'm also connected to Captain Francis McNair, but not to Captain Storm except by marriage through D's family. I have photos and information about Francis and his family on my Ancestry website.
Just stumbled on this thread.
I don't know if you are aware that the seagoing career (1879-1908) details of Captain Francis McNair born Fairlie 1852 are contained within Lloyds Captains Register held by London Metropolitan Archives.
LCR may also contain details for Captain Storm.
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Hi Karytay - all of a sudden, it appears that I can reply ... how mysterious. I am the great-grandson of Capt Francis McNair (1852-1924), husband of Elizabeth Taylor (1858-1925), married 1883. He was a friend of Alexander Storm, and my parents were friends of Storm's daughters (I met Bessie Storm briefly in England in 1978), although other details about Storm remain hazy for us. Likewise with the Taylor family. I know that Elizabeth was born in Ballarat and came to England as a child, and that her sister Susan ("Aunt Susie") minded the Captain's three boys (Cedric, Archibald, and Tom, the last being my grandfather) in Forest Gate when Elizabeth was aboard Puritan in 1891 with Francis and their newest baby, Bessie. I would love to hear from you! (Thanks also to Seaweed for the advice to consult the Lloyd's Captains Register.) In case I cannot get through again, Karytay, please consider emailing me directly, (*) Don in Vernon, British Columbia
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Hi Don
Welcome back ;D
I'm sorry your email address has been removed, but we have a couple of policies here, no email addresses being one of them. You can exchange these details on the personal message system.
I'll send you a test pm so you can see how the system works.
To send a pm to another chatter, you click on the little icon under their user name that looks like a clip-board, if it's glowing bright green, there's a chance they are online.
Dawn
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dmcnair, Don I see you only have one more post to make then you can PM me and we can chat.
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Hi - if this reply qualifies as "Post Number 3," we are all set! I hope you can consult with Phyllis Barlow and see all the work she has done on McNair/Taylor family trees at ancestry.com. She has been at this far longer than I. I shall contact my sisters and my Aunt (Captain McNair's granddaughter, living in Burnaby, British Columbia) to gather more information about Capt. Storm. Don
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That will be great, I have a cousin a few times removed in England that I found a few months ago. She is working on the Taylor tree and most of the info I got about the McNair's and Storms was from her.
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Just noticed that this was an old post (smile).
Thought that I'd drop the info here that I've been sifting through, just in case someone looks here in the future.
The Merchant Navy Seamen, Series BT113 (1845-1854) has tickets for two Alexander Storms from Findhorn: one born in 1827-8, one in 1832. There are more Alexander Storms in the MNS during that period, but these are the only two listed as being from Morayshire.
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Alexander Storm
Born at Findhorn in the County of Moray
On the 10th day of March 1832
Capacity: Apprentice
Height: 4'10"
Complexion: Dark
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Marks: None
First went to Sea as Apprentice in the Year 1844.
Has not served in the Royal Navy or been in Foreign Service.
When unemployed, resides at Sunderland.
Issued at Sunderland on the 13th day of October 1848.
No. of 423,540 Register Ticket
Age when Ticketed: 16
Can Write: Yes
1851
Apprentice
64/54
6/51
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64/54
12/51
1852
Apprentice & Seaman
64/54
6/52
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Apprentice & Seaman
64/54
12/52
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Alexander Storm
Born at Findhorn in the County of Moray
On the 8th day of April 1828
Capacity: Apprentice
Height: 5'5"
Complexion: Fair
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Dark
Marks: None
First went to Sea as Apprentice in the Year 1844.
Has not served in the Royal Navy or been in Foreign Service.
When unemployed, resides at Findhorn
Issued at Inverness the 3rd day of January 1845.
No. of 103,874 Register Ticket (cancelled because of "ticket lost" and renewed as #382,777)
Age when Ticketed: 17
Can Write: Yes
This fella travelled a lot, so just ask if you'd like the reference does for his voyages.
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Hello jenc,
While checking to see if Death Certificates were issued for fishermen lost at sea, on a totally different thread to yours, I found this site.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stormrhb/lost.htm
Or try googling STORM and COMPANY of ROBIN HOOD'S BAY - Ancestry.com
This brings up a list of websites. Click on the first one (same as above) On that page, underneath the lovely photograph of Robin Hood's Bay, is an index including Missing Seamen Register. Reading through that really brings home how devastated these small communities would be when a ship went down, often with several members of the same family on board.
Probably no connection to your Alexander Storm but thought it might be of interest to you.
Regards, Dod.