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Census 1881 High Cliffe Rd Cleethorpes, Lincoln, England RG113274 / 55/38
Arabella CHAPMAN Head W Female 70 Cleethorpes, Lincoln, England Retired Inn keeper
Sophia COULBECK Daur M Female 34 Cleethorpes, Lincoln, England
Richard CHAPMAN Son M Male 38 Cleethorpes, Lincoln, England
Richard C. OSBORNE Grandson U Male 25 Cleethorpes, Lincoln, England
Sophia OSBORNE Grand Daur U Female 22 Cleethorpes, Lincoln, England
1891 look up please
Richard C. OSBORNE married Emily Smith in 1886, Maxey and Samuel would have been born by 1891 maybe other children
I would love any further information about the others in the household if at all possible
TIA
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Hi I wonder if this is him?
Chapman Osbourne 35 Fish packer and pork butch? Cleethorpes
Emily Osbourne 25 Louth
Fred Osbourne 2 Cleethorpes
Helen Osbourne 1 Cleethorpes
Emily Park servant 15 Cleethorpes
RG 12/2607/165/8
63, Church Street, Louth, Lincs
Jan
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Looks as if Maxey was having a sleep over on census night. ;D
1891 RG 12/2608/9/12 141 Newmarket Louth
Thomas Maxey head 47 Publican Louth
Ellen Maxey wife 47 Louth
Fred Maxey son 18 Louth
Elizabeth Smith boarder 79 Louth
MAXEY OSBOURNE grandson 4 Grimsby
Charles Hanson servant 23 servant Louth
Jan
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Hi Jan
Yes thank you, I think that is him, his name was Richard Chapman Osbourne...I am not sure if these surnames used as middle names help or just confuse me.
Richard C Osbourne, married Emily Maxey Smith so I wonder if Elizabeth Smith 'boarder' is also a relation
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I wondered that. Was Emily Maxey Smith, Thomas's daughter, or was she born before her mother married Thomas otherwise wouldn't she be called Ellen Maxey? I wonder if Elizabeth Smith is Ellen's mother?
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Just having a look I have Elizabeth Maxey married 1855 Louth to Robert Smith ( who would be Elizabeth Smith boarder) and two children Emily Maxey Smith and John Maxey Smith ( although my guess is that there are more to find) but there are 10 years between these two children John b 1857 and Emily b 1867.......so it just doesn't feel right if you know what I mean............
Like I said all these surnames as middle name completely confuse me
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I am really not sure how Thomas and Ellen Maxey fit in...Elizabeths maiden name is Maxey and I think the enumerator wrote grandson for Maxey Osbourne under Elizabeth ( rather than relationship to Head)......sorry I am trying to think this through as I am writing...so it may not make sense
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I think there is more to this than it seems ??? ??? ???
Look at this
1881 RG 11/3262/60/18 3, Beaconsfield Terrace
Thomas Maxey head unmarried 37 Carpenter
Fred Maxey son 7
Ellen Smith servant unmarried 37 housekeeper
Jan
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And even more puzzling
RG10; Piece: 3403; Folio: 5; Page: 6 Louth
Elizabeth Smith 60 Parish relief and laundress
Thomas Maxey 24 Nephew joiner
Emily Smith 5 grand daughter
So were Thomas and Ellen cousins?
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Oh ???
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And even more puzzling
RG10; Piece: 3403; Folio: 5; Page: 6 Louth
Elizabeth Smith 60 Parish relief and laundress
Thomas Maxey 24 Nephew joiner
Emily Smith 5 grand daughter
So were Thomas and Ellen cousins?
So is this the 1871 census?
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Yes
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I think there is more to this than it seems ??? ??? ???
Look at this
1881 RG 11/3262/60/18 3, Beaconsfield Terrace
Thomas Maxey head unmarried 37 Carpenter
Fred Maxey son 7
Ellen Smith servant unmarried 37 housekeeper
Jan
So these two got married
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I'm not sure about actually marrying as there are no Thomas Maxey marriages between 1881 and 1891, so perhaps she just took his name.
This might be a connection
1851 HO107; Piece: 2111; Folio: 320; Page: 28
Thomas Maxey head widow 41 Master joiner
William Maxey son 14
THOMAS MAXEY son 7
Elizabeth Maxey sister unmarried 39 housekeeper
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Yes I think you are right as I can't find a marriage either...so 7 year old Thomas is Elizabeth Smith nee Maxey nephew...which matches the later census...........wow there are lots of visiting going on in this family at census times
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I wonder who Fred Maxley's mother is as in 1881 Thomas says he is unmarried, but Fred is his son.
There is the birth of a Fred Maxey Smith Dec quarter 1873 Louth 7a 591, so it looks as if his mother was Ellen Smith. Interesting family this one. ;D ;D ;D
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You are not kidding ;D
It is my grandfathers elder sister husband, I knew all my great aunts and uncles except this one so started researching as Maxey Osbourne's daughter( who I remember visiting) went to live in Northern Ireland........and I researched the line back and I have crossed the Atlantic going back several times back and forth, then decided to come back to Maxey and now all this...it makes my direct line look tame ;D
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That's often the way isn't it, it is the side shoots that are more interesting.
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I dont think Ellen Smith was Thomas Maxey's cousin after all as she wasn't Elizabeth Smith's daughter - she was her step daughter.
Elizabeth Maxey married Robert Smith in 1855.
In the 1861 census RG 9/2381/107/19
Robert Smith 57
Elizabeth Smith 49
Benjamin Smith son 14
Robert Smith son 10
John Smith son 4
Ellen Smith daughter 18
So the only one of these children who were Elizabeths and Roberts was John, the rest were step children.
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Oh thank you and well done you..
Emily Maxey Smith was born in 1867, Elizabeth would have been 55 years old.....surely she would be too old ???
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Maybe Emily Eve was the first wife of Robert Smith who married in 1844 Louth
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I think Emily Maxey Smith is Ellen Smith and Thomas Maxey's daughter.She was staying with her step grandmother Elizabeth Smith, who was also Thomas Maxey's aunt in 1871. ;D ;D ;D
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Oh thank you and well done you..
Emily Maxey Smith was born in 1867, Elizabeth would have been 55 years old.....surely she would be too old ???
groom said Emily was granddaughter of Elizabeth
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Hi Geoff
Complicated family this do you think I've got it sorted?
Jan
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Hi Jan
First of all thank you very much for all the work you have already done. After a nights sleep and drawing out the relationships it is a little clearer.... well lets just say not as confusing ::)
I have found that Robert Smiths father was Benjamin Smith ( marriage of Robert & Elizabeth Maxey) but the possibly first marriage I found for Robert Smith/ Emily Eve he names his father as John, so I don't think it is him.
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Hi again
Found Robert in 1851 - he was married to Frances, so she is Ellen's mother
HO 107/2111/288/7 Broad bank, Louth
Robert Smith 47 Joiner Balderton Notts
Frances Smith 37 Tathwell Lincs
Ellen Smith 7 Tathwell
Benjamin Smith 3 Louth
Mary Smith 13 niece Newark Notts
There are, according to Freebmd 4 deaths of a Frances Smith in Louth between 1851 and 1855 (when Robert remarried) Two in 1851, one in 1853 and on in 1855. The last is unlikely. I'd hedge a bet on it being one of the 1852 ones, possibly after the birth of Robert who was 10 in 1861.
Jan
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This looks like the marriage
Robert Smith
Frances Codd
Dec quarter 1842
Louth 14 809
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Thats interesting I had search freebmd and had come to the same conclusion 'Frances Codd' ...it is also very interesting that Robert came from near Newark then decendants moved to the Linclonshire coast then five generations later back to the Newark area, where my great aunt was living.....then another two generations to NI and although they are not living on the coast, they did live down the road to Lough Neagh ( which is very seasidy) ...........these migrating patterns fasinate me as much as the FH
There is a marriage
14-May 1838 Utterby Lincs( about 7 miles from Tathwell) John Robinson married Frances Codd father Richard Codd so I wonder if she was previously married ??? There is a John Robinson's who died in Louth 1Q 1842 but none I can find prior to that
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There is a marriage
14-May 1838 Utterby Lincs( about 7 miles from Tathwell) John Robinson married Frances Codd father Richard Codd
I would imagine that her next marriage would have been as ROBINSON, not CODD, so I would discount her. In any case, that couple were still in Utterby in 1851.
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Hi Geoff
Thanks for that piece of investigation, I'm not sure re: name married or maiden so the only other Frances I have found is Frances Bradshaw marrying in 3Q 1840 Louth 14 667
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There are, according to Freebmd 4 deaths of a Frances Smith in Louth between 1851 and 1855 (when Robert remarried) Two in 1851, one in 1853 and on in 1855. The last is unlikely. I'd hedge a bet on it being one of the 1852 ones, possibly after the birth of Robert who was 10 in 1861.
1853 was at Tathwell aged 34. Incidentally, Frances's age was given as 33 in 1851 (not 37).
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Thank you Geoff...