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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: RedMystic on Monday 06 June 11 13:46 BST (UK)
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Good morning Chatters. Can you help me please?
I'm looking for information on Ann Henderson (abt 1853 - 18 Feb., 1923) who married Robert Bain (1858-1913). They lived at Crommie Cottage, Kingswell. I have the inscription from the tomb stone (which gives me death dates) & the statement of the disposition of the estate following Ann's death (so I know she was still living at Crommie Cottage.)
Here is the link to my prior research on the Bains & Cheynes of this branch of my family.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,510123.0.html
Ann Henderson married Robert Bain. I can't find a birth or marriage record that would tell me the names of her parents. Can you help?
I also can't find a record of her death (except the tomb stone & the disposition of the estate.)
The reason I'm asking is that I received a message from a very distant cousin by way of An****y, who says that Ann is a descendant of (apologies for uppercase, but that's how it came to me):
"... MARY FINDLATER/DAVID WATT / EDWARD MARTIN THEN STAY WITH MARTINS ..I WAS BLOWN AWAY TO FIND OUT THAT WE BOTH ARE DECEDENTS OF CHARLEMAGNE AND I TRACED BACK 89 GENERATIONS OF TO THE TIME BEFORE CHRIST OF LONG LINE OF FRANK KINGS AND ROYALTY THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE"
Of course I'm curious, but I have learned my lesson well. Everything that goes into my tree is cross referenced & verified. I've spent too many hours backtracking & correcting. ;D
Can you help please?
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If you look at the Scotland's People site you will be able to find the marriage and death certificate, both of which will give the parents' names. The death certificate will be easy as you have a year and area. I'm sure the marriage certificate will be easy to find if you search using both surnames.
Re Charlemagne et al, his ancestry can't be traced back very far. There are mediaeval genealogies which take his line back to Adam, but there is no hard evidence for it at all. It is not impossible to get back that far if you can find a definite ancestor descended from a king or one of the major noble houses. I have one line where I have been able to do this with documentary evidence all the way, but I have had to wade through lots of fiction and weed out lots of wishful thinking and nonsense to sort it all out. The key thing is to work back all the time and establish proven links from generation to generation. You will sometimes see posts from folk who are pretty confident about 12th century ancestors, but don't really know who their great grandparents were.
Graham.
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If you search Scotlandspeople for Ann Bain with no other surname dying between 1920 and 1925 you get 6 deathes there is one for Ann Bain in Peterculter west aged 70 and I would think this would be a good bet for your Ann
Sorry I don't have anymore credits or else I would have looked for you
Norma
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Thanks for the direction GR2 & higgsy. I'm in the process of registering with Scotlandspeople - just waiting on passwords & such to arrive in my inbox.
If I were in Aberdeenshire, would the information regarding the marriage exist there or is Scotlandspeople the one-&-only source? (Just curious as I'm coming to Scotland this summer.)
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Scotland's People has the births, marriages and deaths from 1855, the censuses from 1841 - 1911, wills up to 1900 and the Church of Scotland parish registers from the 1550s up to 1854. If you visit their headquarters in Edinburgh, it costs £15 a day to search and see everything, including bmds to date. You can do similar searches from some of the larger registry offices elsewhere, but their spaces are very limited. The kirk session minutes can be useful for the 18th and earlier 19th century if you have a case of illegitimacy that can't be solved by looking at the parish registers. They are in the National Archives of Scotland in Edinburgh. They have an on-line catalogue. The Aberdeen/Aberdeenshire Archives are in Aberdeen. They have an on-line catalogue. It is worthwhile planning very carefully in advance what you want to find out before visiting Scotland.
Graham.
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TX for the advice GR2. I'm trying to nail down as much as I can before we get on the plane so that I can spend my time trying to bring down my brickwalls. You've been very helpful on some of my other queries. TX as always.
My great aunt's notes indicate that Ann Henderson was born in Locel Cushnie, Aberdeenshire. After doing some Google searches, I'm guessing that what should be reflected there is Leochel-Cushnie. Would that be your thought as well?
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Leochel-Cushnie is the current spelling. When you get onto Scotland's People, first look at her death certificate (you have the year and know where she died, so you'll get it first time. You can search under her maiden or married name or both). Then look for the marriage certificate using both surnames. If you have a definite place and date for the birth of one of her children, the birth certificate will also give you the date and place of marriage. If you check the 1901 or 1911 census (as you now know her age and you already have her address in 1911), that will give you her parish of birth (she should be under her married name). When you have her parents' names and her age from the death or marriage certificate, you can look for her birth/baptism in the parish registers and her parents' marriage (if they were recorded). If she was born in or after 1855, you will get her birth certificate under the bmds. If her parents were alive when she married, that will help you pin down possible locations for them in a census or enable you to find their death certificates.................. and so it goes on, one thing leading to another.............
Graham.
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TX again GR2. I had to read that over 2x to fully absorb it, but I think I'm following you now. ;D
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There is an Ann Henderson born c 1854 in leochel-cushnie on the 1861 census. She is living with grandparents William and Ann Dewar
and in the 1871 census there is an Ann Henderson stepdaughter to a James Procer?
Norma
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Possible marriage for Ann and Robert in 1878 in Aberdeenshire going by the SP index.
Monica :)
Added: Would fit with this 1881 entry:
Robert Bain 24, Master Tailor, b. Foveran, Aberdeenshire
Ann Bain 27 b. Leochel Cushnie, Aberdeenshire
Alexr Bain 1 b. Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire
Johm I P Bain 2 Months b. Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire
Address: Toll House, Belhelvie
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Thank you higgsy & MonicaL. I'm a neophyte to Scotlandspeople. I don't know if it's the site or if it's me, but it keeps timing out in the searches. :(
Your assistance & direction is much appreciated.
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Not sure what the problem could be :-\ Are you being timed out when trying to do a search or view an image?
Monica
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Not sure what the problem could be :-\ Our you being timed out when trying to do a search or view an image?
Monica
It times out as soon as a search is being completed. ::)
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Norma, the 1871 census entry that you found for an Ann Henderson, stepdaughter with a reference to a James Procer....there looks to be a correction on the transcript to the name James Procer, to an Innes (female) Procer so the entry would look like:
John Procer 60, farmer
Innes (James) Procer 35 b. Leochel Cushnie
Arther Procer 13, son b. Monymusk
Ann Henderson 18, stepdaughter b. Leochel Cushnie
Elisabeth Henderson 1, granddaughter b. Monymusk
Alexander Irvine 18, servant
John Cumming 15, servant
Address: Neither Haugh, Monymusk Aberdeenshire
Possible marriage showing on IGI:
John PROSSER and Innes BERRY Marriage 9 AUG 1856 in Leochel-Cushnie, Aberdeen
And possible birth of granddaughter above:
Elizabeth HENDERSON b. 29 DEC 1869 in Monymusk, Aberdeen
Parents - Ann HENDERSON
Monica
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Possible marriage for Ann and Robert in 1878 in Aberdeenshire going by the SP index.
Monica :)
Added: Would fit with this 1881 entry:
Robert Bain 24, Master Tailor, b. Foveran, Aberdeenshire
Ann Bain 27 b. Leochel Cushnie, Aberdeenshire
Alexr Bain 1 b. Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire
Johm I P Bain 2 Months b. Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire
Address: Toll House, Belhelvie
Thanks Monica. This is the right family in the 1881 census.
Alexander (1st son) was my "lost Bain" boy for the longest time. He was the only living son that didn't come to Canada, settling instead in the United States. I don't know his middle name.
I note here that John's middle initials are I & P. Makes me wonder if the P stands for the "Procer" that higgsy found. Hmmm.
They had another son, Edward who died soon after birth. His middle name was Polson.
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Ann's daughter Elizabeth b. 1870 looks to have remained with her maternal grandmother. From 1881:
John Prosser 76, farmer
Innes Prosser 45 b. Leochel - Cushnie, Aberdeensh
Arthur Prosser 23
Mary Prosser 23, daughter in law
Arthur Prosser 1
John Prosser 1 month
Elizabeth Henderson 11, granddaughter b. Moneymusk
William Taylor 24, servant
Address: Lochhead, Skene Aberdeenshire
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Some background on John Prosser (1804-1883) here: The Prossers of Fintray http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~davie/misc/Prosser.html#John1804
Monica
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Hmmm. This would be a surprise. ???
My family records show that there were 7 boys - no girls - born to Ann & Robert.
Admittedly, there may have been an illegitimate child before Ann's marriage to Robert, but it's not acknowledged in any of the obits for the boys & nothing was left to a girl in the disposition of the estate.
Is there anything that would tie the Ann Henderson from the Prossor family to the Ann Henderson higgsy found on the 1861 census who was born c 1854 in Leochel-Cushnie and was living with grandparents William and Ann Dewar?
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Oh my goodness!!! You've very likely found the right family!!! :) :) :) :)
I kept running the Prosser name through my memory banks & it kept pinging!
I've pulled out one of my Saskatchewan history books and low & behold, the 2nd son of Ann & Robert is none other than: John PROSSER Bain.
Sooooooo, the plot thickens.
Thank you. Thank you. :-*
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There is an Ann Henderson born c 1854 in leochel-cushnie on the 1861 census. She is living with grandparents William and Ann Dewar
and in the 1871 census there is an Ann Henderson stepdaughter to a James Procer?
Norma
Am I'm following this correctly?
John Prosser was Ann's step father. Isabella Reirie was John's 1st wife. They married in 1835 & she died before 1856.
Ann was born in 1853 or 1854.
John remarried in 1856 to to Innes Berry.
Given this, I don't see how either Isabella or Innes could be Ann's mum as neither appear to have been married before or brought a child into the marriage. ???
OR could it be that the 1871 census reference to Ann as a step daughter refers to her relationsip to Innes (making her daughter to Isabella)? ??? If that's the case, where did the name Henderson come from?
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I think the best verification now will be Ann's marriage and/or death cert to confirm her parents' names. Possibility that she might have been illegitimate (just a guess on my part!), but at least, with confirmation of mother's name you should be able to firm things up at least on Ann's maternal side.
Some bits for you to consider. I think this might be Innes in 1841 (names all connect with her later life!):
Ann Berrie 37, pauper
Arthur Berrie 7
Innes Berrie 6
Address: Cairnrorie, Leochel-Cushnie
So, Ann (Henderson) likely called after her mother and Innes' first born son with John Posser, called after her brother Arthur?
One possibility with the names that Norma found from 1861, the Dewars, as grandparents to Ann Henderson, is that Ann Berry, grandmother to Ann Henderson, went on to marry a William Dewar perhaps?
From 1861:
Williams Dewar 65, sawmiller b. Cleny (Cluny?) Aberdeenshire
Ann Dewar 55 b. Leochel Cushnie
Ann Henderson 7 granddaughter b. Leochel Cushnie
Address: Millnewks (?spl) Leochel Cushnie
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Have a look at the transcription on FreeCen 1851 http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl for Innes Berrie in Aberdeenshire (a better and more accurate transcription than Ancestry's which has gone a bit messy!).
She does show as a stepdaughter, along with a brothers James and Arthur, to a William Dewar (Wllm Deur) and mother Ann is down under her maiden name of Smith (quite common in these early censuses for married women to show under their maiden names).
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Innes' parents' marriage or banns entry showing on IGI:
Ann SMITH and Alexr. BERRY Marriage on 25 FEB 1826 in Leochel-Cushnie
Innes Berrie's 1856 marriage entry or her death certificate will let you confirm properly her parents' details.
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Absolutely fascinating & much appreciated.
Thank you for the link on the Prossors. It appears that John was 52 & Innes 21 when they wed. It appears that they had only one child together. Does it strike you as odd that the Prossor link would mention the son they had together, but not Innes' daughter.
Somewhat of a rhetorical question. As you've indicated, now I have to get that Scotlandspeople site to work for me.
I can't thank you enough.
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I don't think that Innes' daughter Ann was the daughter of John Prosser...otherwise she would have gone by the surname of Prosser rather than Henderson. Likely Ann's father was a Henderson. If she was born illegitimately, her marriage/death certs may or may not mention him by name.
Quite normal for illegitimate children to go by the name of their reputed father in later years.
We might be making assumptions here that she was born illegitimately. Innes may have been married when she gave birth to Ann. Her marriage cert to John Prosser should show her marital status (widow or spinster).
Monica
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Thanks Monica,
I had followed the train of thought that Ann wasn't John's, but was Innes'. I was just musing as to why the Prosser link wouldn't mention the step daughter, although, at least for part of her life, if higgsy's 1861 census is an indicator, Ann didn't live in the Prosser family home.
What is a complete surprise to me is the emergence of the possibility that Ann Hendeson had a daughter, Elizabeth. That will be a complete stunner for my elderly great aunt. :o (And, Elizabeth means another twig for me to explore another day. ;D)
Many thanks again. I'm now very much looking forward to wrapping my head around today's findings and wending my way around Scotlandspeople to capture the missing bits of verification.
You have been incredibly generous with your time & expertise. Thank you once again.
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One of the reasons that there may have been no future mention of Ann's daughter Elizabeth is if she died young. I have just been trying to find her in later censuses post 1881 and can't see her. There is a possible death entry in Skene in 1890 on SP for an Elizabeth Henderson b. 1870. I wonder if she died young :-\
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Last one from me now! For when you have managed to confirm the parents etc., there are two entries in the Wills & Testament section of SP for Innes:
Mrs Innes PROSSER/ Berry, 22/04/1897. Lochead, Parish of SKENE, Aberdeen, Widow, died 22/10/1896 at Lochhead, Testate. Aberdeen Sheriff Court Inventories.
One document is her Will and the other an Extract Inventory.
These documents from Wills & testaments are downloadable separately on the site.
Monica :)
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Fantastic. Thanks very, very much.
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Well done
I had to go out last night and see you have been busy. Hope you find the links you were looking for
Norma
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Thanks for checking back higgsy & I hope you had a lovely evening out.
If you cast your eyes back to my first post in this thread and the reference to "CHARLEMAGNE", I'm pretty sure I'm not going to find that. ::) ::) ::) I think I'm going to have to gently nudge this new found, very distant cousin to do a bit more verification. ;D ;D ;D
I don't have much time to work on this today as OH is wandering the house, looking for company (hmmm wonder if I can get him to do the housework ;D) . I will be delving into Scotlandspeople as soon as I have a block of a few hours.
Thank you again for discovering the Procer / Prossor link & setting the track to follow. I can rarely make the linkages when names are spelled in a variety of fashions so your direction was invaluable.
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good luck on SP. Hopefully you might get a clue to Ann Hendersons dad
Norma
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Ann Henderson is my great,great grandmother. She had a son William Henderson born 29.1.1872 at Woodlands, Dockenwell, Cluny paternity was later added with father William Catto of Belhelvie. I had great difficulty finding William Henderson as from a young age he was known as William Henderson Masson and was brought up by a Mr & Mrs Masson near Skene. I have been trying to find out if the Massons were related in some way but the nearest I have got is that Mrs Masson's mother's maiden name was Henderson. My paperwork is a bit disorganised at the moment but I have written on some of my notes that a John Henderson was Ann's reputed father but I cant recall where I got that information. When I get time I'm going to see if there are any church records from around 1853 which mention Innes Berry of John Henderson which might shed light on this. My Mum would never discuss the possibility that her grandfather wasnt the son of the Massons but she did tell me that her Mum spoke about how upset she was when Henry George Bain was killed in an accident on 12.10.1918 and had kept the death announcement from the newspaper. He was her Dad's half brother but she had never explained to my Mum what the connection was (she maybe didnt't know exactly). I live in Aberdeen, so many years ago I spent some time at the registrars trawling through the registration books, before information was on the internet. If I find any more about Ann I will post. Heather
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Hi HEATHEREDD
Welcome to RootsChat. I'm very pleased & excited to hear from you.
My family & I are travelling in Scotland just now, arriving in Aberdeen Friday night & departing Monday morning. I plan to visit Ann's gravesite to take a picture of it.
Ann is also my great great grandmother. I have a pic of her with her husband, Robert Bain, should that be of interest to you.
I know that Ann was a few older than Robert, but didn't realized she had children before her marriage to Robert. Based on what you're saying and what other Chatters on this thread posted earlier, she had at least 2 children: your William & a girl named Elizabeth.
William would have been uncle to my great aunt, who was born in Canada & is still alive (youngest child of Fred Charles Malcolm Bain). She has no knowledge of Ann's other children.
Should you want to connect while I'm in Aberdeen, please post 2 more messages on this thread. Acknowledge my message and then do a subsequent post to indicate it you'd like to connect or share other FH work. (You must have 3 posts to do a personal message.)
Then you can send me a personal message by clicking on the little green scroll icon below my profile message. My internet connections in the Outer Hebrides & north of Scotland have been intermittent but I anticipate that they will become more reliable as I move south.
Thank you very much for contacting me.
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Hi RedMystic
Good to hear from you. I have double checked and at William's marriage on 12 January 1897 he gave his mother as Ann Henderson now married to Robert Bain so he is definately a son of your Ann didnt realise that she also had a daughter prior to that so Elizabeth is another little twig on the tree.
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I have photos of William and his adoptive parents but none of Ann so would be really pleased to get a photo of Ann and Robert. I have read your message with instructions to contact you via personal message and I will have a stab at that tomorrow.
Heather
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Hi Heather, my wife's family come from Skene. We have "Masson" as a middle name in some of the links in her part of the family tree. There was a Masson family who were residents at Westhill School house in 1891. He was the teacher. His wife was Mary. They had 6 children, 3 boys and 3 girls. Were these the ones who "adopted" William?
Regards
Malky
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Hi Malky
My William was brought up with John Masson whose wife was Annie McLennan but they stayed at East Auchronie, Kinellar, a small farm (which is near Skene) William was their only family. I havent investigated John's family so not sure if your wife's Masson relatives are related. I know that John Masson died at Kirktown Skene on 7 Feb 1925 aged 84 and he was married about 27.6.1867 as I have a copy of the banns recorded at Kemnay
Heather
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This is slightly strange.
William is listed as a "boarder" with the "Masson" family at Burnside Croft, Newhills in the 1881 census.
By 1891 the "Masson" family have moved to, and he is missing from the East Achronie census list, which would suggest that he was not "adopted" by the "Massons", but just mistakenly listed as a "Masson" by the 1881 census recorder. He then may have found out that he was illegitimate, and adopted the "Masson" surname. I come to this conclusion due to the size differences of East Achronie and Burnside Croft. At East Auchronie, Annie's mother, father and a domestic servant was living with them. There is no mention of William. William would have surely stayed on as a "son" to help with the farm.
Ann Henderson married Robert Bain. I can't find a birth or marriage record that would tell me the names of her parents. Can you help?
They married at Skene in 1878.
Regards
Malky
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Hi Malky
Not sure where he was in 1891 yet but in 1897 when he married he was a gentlemans coachman at Tertowie house which is nearby and gave his address as East Auchronie and I have photos of him in his uniform. His wife to be stayed at Backhills, Kinellar in 1891. He certainly treated Mr & Mrs Masson as his parents and his first born daughter (my grandmother) was brought up by this couple. She was born in 1897 and at that point he gave his address as Nether Mains Tertowie.
In 1891 he may have been travelling with the family at Tertowie House but havent checked that address yet to see if they were at home. I still have lots of things to check and I think the family moved around quite a bit later
Heather
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"Not sure where he was in 1891 yet but in 1897 when he married he was a gentlemans coachman at Tertowie house which is nearby and gave his address as East Auchronie and I have photos of him in his uniform. His wife to be stayed at Backhills, Kinellar in 1891. He certainly treated Mr & Mrs Masson as his parents and his first born daughter (my grandmother) was brought up by this couple. She was born in 1897 and at that point he gave his address as Nether Mains Tertowie.
In 1891 he may have been travelling with the family at Tertowie House but havent checked that address yet to see if they were at home. I still have lots of things to check and I think the family moved around quite a bit later"
Hi again Heather, can I take it that your grandmother's name was "Rachel". William's wife's father (Patrick) farmed Backhills at Kinellar.
"Ann Henderson married Robert Bain. I can't find a birth or marriage record that would tell me the names of her parents. Can you help?
I also can't find a record of her death (except the tomb stone & the disposition of the estate.)"
Robert Bain d 11 Feb 1913
Ann Henderson d 18 Feb 1923
Both buried at Kirkton of Skene, stone 8.
"but she did tell me that her Mum spoke about how upset she was when Henry George Bain was killed in an accident on 12.10.1918 and had kept the death announcement from the newspaper"
Harry George Bain d 12 October 1918 is also buried at that location.
Edward Polson Bain d 12 Jan 1884 is the 4th Name on the stone.
If you look at the Ann Henderson - Robert Bain 1878 Skene, marriage entry in Scotland's People you will find your answers there.
Regards
Malky
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Not sure where he was in 1891 yet but in 1897 when he married he was a gentlemans coachman at Tertowie house which is nearby and gave his address as East Auchronie and I have photos of him in his uniform. His wife to be stayed at Backhills, Kinellar in 1891. He certainly treated Mr & Mrs Masson as his parents and his first born daughter (my grandmother) was brought up by this couple. She was born in 1897 and at that point he gave his address as Nether Mains Tertowie.
Heather
Hi Heather,
I've found a "William Masson" in an 1891 census. He is listed as a farm servant at Mains of Shiels, Midmar Parish, Aberdeenshire. Would you think that this might be him? I'm not very good at Goggle maps & haven't determined if that is near Tertowie House or not.
It's definitely not exactly the same property. I note when I Googled Tertowie House that, though now abandoned, I see it was a 16th century home that became a residential school with an c1980 nuclear bunker in the basement.
I'm just curious: if William had a wife, why was his daughter brought up by the Massons?
I'm also very curious about the comment you made back in July about the impact of Henry George Bain's death on your great grandfather. They would have been 1/2 brothers of course & apparently knew about one another (which would have been reasonable given they lived in the same small geographic area). Do you have any info on Henry George Bain's death? I only have that it was accidental and happened at the Mains of Kinmundy - as that's what's on the gravestone. Why, as you noted, was it kept out of the newspapers?
Cheers,
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Hi again Heather
I've found a 1901 census for William Masson married to Susan at Backhill, Farm house, Kinellar. They have a daughter, Rachel (age 4), daughter Jane (age 1) and an un-named newborn (1 mos) . Is this my great grand uncle & you great grandfather?
Likely not as his occupation is shown as: Granite Stone Cutter. That doesn't align with the career you indicated he had.
You made a brilliant connection when you discovered his mum's name (Ann Henderson) on William's marriage certificate. How you arrived at that after his name had been changed to Masson is astounding.
Maybe Malky can answer this. Would something have to have been done legally / filed in paperwork when the name change was made from Henderson to Masson? (I found the 1881 census Malky found that references him with the Masson surname but indicating that he is a "boarder". Another brilliant find.)
Cheers,
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Sorry havent been in touch recently. Yes you have found my great grandfather. He did seem to move around alot and have various jobs. My grandmother was Rachel and William was still a coachman when she was born and they were at Nether Mains of Tertowie - she was born just over 2 weeks after they married. Jane was then born in 1899 and they were staying at Woodburn Cottage, Kinnellar and his occupation was stone quarrier. I had visited the registry office in Aberdeen where you can look at the paper registers and this is also how I found William originally as I knew how old he was, which parish he had said he was born and just looked at the likely year for a William with a mother Ann Henderson as I had by then got her name from his marriage certificate. Looks as if Rachel was still with her parents in 1901 but I presume she later went to stay with the couple she knew as her grandparents. This did happen quite a lot where there were a number of children.
I have still a lot to do on this part of my tree and must spend time getting all the bits of paper I have in some sort of order.
I do have a paper cutting about Henry Bain's death but cant lay my hands on it just now. When I do will e-mail it to you
Heather
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"Maybe Malky can answer this. Would something have to have been done legally / filed in paperwork when the name change was made from Henderson to Masson? (I found the 1881 census Malky found that references him with the Masson surname but indicating that he is a "boarder". Another brilliant find.)"
Having checked my knowlege with the General Register's Ofice for Scotland, and being advised that my thoughts were correct, post the Statutory Declarations Act 1835, and pre The Adoption of Children (Scotland) Act, 1930, there were generally two ways of changing ones name. Formally, using the Declarations Act, or informally, just announcing that this is how you wished to be known. Depending on how this was done, an RCE would be posted or not, as the case may be.
I am willing to be further educated on the subject, if someone knows more information regarding the process.
I have added the links below.
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/regscot/change-of-name.html
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Will4/5-6/62/enacted
http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/adoptions.asp
Regards
Malky
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TX very much Flattybasher. Your research / insight is much appreciated.
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Heather, if you're still monitoring this thread, I've had a contact from a person on the Masson branch who would like to connect with others researching that branch. Please PM me if you're still about. :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,594086.0.html
In order to keep the family branch finds together, this is an update on Elizabeth Henderson (aka Betsy Prosser): Ann Henderson's daughter, 1/2 sister to Frederick Bain (& the other Bain boys) that came to Canada, & 1/2 sister to William Masson.
Thanks as always to the wonderful Chatters who have helped along the way.
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I believe the William Masson referred to in this thread is also my great grandfather. My grandfather was Patrick Robertson Masson (born to William Masson and Susan Robertson on 12-Apr-1904).
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Hi nossam321 & welcome to Rootschat.
Sorry for the tardy response.
It's wonderful to meet a long lost cousin. :)
William Henderson Masson was 1/2 brother to my great grandfather, Frederick Bain, who arrived in Canada 109 years ago. Do you know anything of the story of how your great grandfather was adopted by the Massons?
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Hi RedMystic,
Very nice to meet you too!
Just a little bit of background... A friend who is tracing his family tree came across a Masson from the NE of Scotland in the 1700s and asked if I knew anything of my family tree, i.e., whether I might also be able to trace my family back to the same Masson.
I knew nothing of the Massons beyond my grandfather's name. My sister had done a little research and found William Masson and Susan Robertson but could get no further. I sent that info. back to my friend who did a little bit of research himself and found the link to Ann Henderson, and (if I understand correctly) that William's father was a Catto.
I then searched on Google for Ann Henderson and William Masson, which brought me to this thread, which has been fascinating. I have spoken to my dad about it but he had no knowledge of his grandfather William's upbringing. He mentioned that William used to look after him and his brothers sometimes when they were little but he did not know much about him. This was really a surprise.
I don't have any experience with researching family trees but I am quite curious now and would certainly like to learn more. If you can share any more information about Ann Henderson that would be much appreciated.
Also, I was interested to see that you have Inkster (Shetland) among the names at the bottom of your message, which I guess is a list of ancestral names in your family? I was born and brought up in Shetland and my mother is an Inkster (just for info., I have been living in Houston, TX, for the last 18 years). So it is very likely that we are related on that side as well. My grandmother did a good deal of research on the Inkster family tree so if you have some information on your Inkster ancestor, we might be able to make that link.
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Hi again nossam321
I haven't yet found an Inkster from Shetland who isn't related to my husband. His grandfather was in Edinburgh by 1891 and then came to Canada in 1904. I'd love to discuss that family further off line.
You need to post one more time and then we can use the private messaging system to exchange emails. :)
I've come quite a bit further along since this thread was started back in 2011. I was a novice searcher at that point and the RootsChat volunteers were (are) tremendously generous with their discoveries and guidance.
I'm happy to share what I've uncovered.
My great aunt, who I mentioned when the thread started, passed away a year ago. She loved all of the discoveries. Heather, who came online on this thread for a short time who also descended from your great grandfather had her email hacked several years ago. I think she shut down her email account at that time, & I've never been able to re-establish contact.
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Ok, great. This is my third post. :)
I'll see if I can figure out how to do the private messaging.
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Good morning all. I'm just checking in to let you know (years & years later) that I have finally figured some things out.
Ann Henderson (abt1853-1923) was born to Innes Berry and a neighbouring farmer, Alexander Henderson (1815-1913). Alexander had two children out of wedlock before he married. He had no children born to his marriage.
The other part of this discussion has to do with Ann Henderson's 2nd born child, William Catto Henderson Masson. We had quite an exploration (back when I first posted) about how he came to have the surname Masson & whether the couple adopted him.
The boy was raised by: John Masson and his wife Ann McLennan. John Masson was William Henderson Masson's grandmother Innes Prosser nee Berry's paternal first cousin.
(I haven't figured out which William Catto was the biological father declared on William's birth record.)
Thanks again to one and all who weighed in on this sleuth. :)
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I know I am very late to the party, but I've just come across this thread & thought I'd add my 2c.
The distant cousin's message in the original post mentions Mary Findlater, I'm pretty sure she has followed the wrong Ann Henderson to get there.
My great-grandmother was also an Anne Henderson. She was born b ca 1853 in Premnay to Arthur Henderson & Janet Tough. Arthur's mother (Anne's grandmother) was Mary Findlater b 1766 in Oyne, her mother was Jean Watt, daughter of George.
To add to the confusion my Anne also died in 1923, but in Forglen, Banffshire, she had married John Fraser in Banff in 1883.
I have used BDM certs, census, monumental inscriptions & parish registers to follow this line.
Hopefully this might help clariify and/or eliminate some names.
Helen
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Hello Helen21,
Thank you for weighing in. Congratulations on making strides to identify your Ann Henderson (m John Fraser). :)
I, too, have made significant progress since I started this post years ago. ;D
My 2x great grandmother, Ann Henderson m Robert Bain. Her marriage record says her mother was Innes Berry who married John Prosser. Ann's father was "reputed" to be a be a "Henderson, farmer". I confirmed both the Berry and Henderson relationships by geographic proximity and DNA.
Innes Berry lived close to the farm of Alexander Henderson Jr 1831-1915. He was noted as father in the birth record of an illegitimate child, William Henderson 1849-1919. I match with descendants of that relationship.
Alexander Henderson abandoned William's mother and sired my 2x great grandmother with Innes Berry. He then married, though had no children with his legal wife.
Ann's mother, Innes, also had a son with her husband, John Prosser. I have confirmed DNA relationship with descendants of that man as well.
Happy sleuthing. :)