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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: 1963chris on Wednesday 15 June 11 13:26 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I have searched extensively for a death entry for my errant grandfather William Herbert Hoyle (known as Herbert), who was born in Greetland, West Yorks, in 1887, but cannot pin one on him with any certainty. I know that he lived much of his life in the Brighouse area, had been married to Bertha Saville (d 1938) and had a son to her named Eric Archie. I know nothing about what happened to him after Bertha's death.
I am wondering if anyone out there has Herbert in their family tree, and knows when and where he died.
A bit of a long shot I know, but I thought I would try,
Christine
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Here's a few possible deaths?
September qtr 1940
Littleborough, Lancashire district vol 8e, page 144
Hoyle, William H age 54
December qtr 1950
Barton, Lancashire district vol 10b, page 249
Hoyle, William age 63
September qtr 1948
Ashton, Lancashire district vol 10b, page 80
Hoyle, Herbert age 60
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Thank you KGarrad. I have a long list of possible death entries, including one in Huddersfield for a Herbert Hoyle, d 1957, age 70. This may be the one, as Huddersfield is near to the area where he lived, but...
Any of your suggestions could be the one - I might have to spend a lot of money!
Ju st wondered if anyone had any concrete info.
Thanks again,
Christine
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Was Bertha a Widow on her Death Cert?
I would narrow down the time frame if she was or not.
Trish :)
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Bertha was not a widow Trish - her funeral was attended by Herbert. She died aged 48 in Brighouse
C
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Hi
If Herbert left a Will/ Probate- Then that may help find some info
http://www.ancestor-search.info/SRC-Wills.htm
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Thank you KGarrad. I have a long list of possible death entries, including one in Huddersfield for a Herbert Hoyle, d 1957, age 70. This may be the one, as Huddersfield is near to the area where he lived, but...
Any of your suggestions could be the one - I might have to spend a lot of money!
Ju st wondered if anyone had any concrete info.
Thanks again,
Christine
also
: Boundary Changes affecting Huddersfield Registration District
Date of Change
1.4.1938
(e)
Gained parts of the parish of Huddersfield (which until 1.4.1937 formed parts of the parishes of Brighouse, Fixby, and Stainland with Old Lindley) from Halifax registration district.
Deaths Mar 1945
Hoyle William H Huddersfield 9a 416
age 56
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Thank you dobfarm
This looks fairly likely, except that Herbert would have been 57, having been born June qtr 1887. I will check microfilm of the local paper for a death notice though.
There is a story that Herbert was killed in a railway accident, though we don't know if that was true, or a story concocted to throw interested parties off the scent!
Thank you for your help,
Christine
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Hi
My GT X 4 Gran died 1851 age 82 death cert , Her parish register burial entry was aged 74 and Grave stone 72 age at death but the day;date /month/year on all 3 events were within a week in the parish.. So we know all 3 are her,
Therefore keep your mind open.
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Thanks dobfarm. Come to think of it I have found this with my gt grandfather - differing ages on just about every record, and I am positive they all refer to the right person.
I think you have probably hit on the right death record for Herbert Hoyle. Time to hit the microfilms!
C
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This one found by Christine seems about right Herbert Hoyle, d 1957, age 70 but could be either of the two deaths 1945 or 1957
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The 1957 death was for a Herbert Hoyle who lived in Milnsbridge, Huddersfield, with his wife Elsie. Now the full name of the man I seek was William Herbert, but it is possible he was registered as Herbert, as that's how everyone knew him. I think you are right dobfarm - it's a choice between the two!
I don't know much about this man, and only found out he was my Dad's natural father last year, as everyone was very 'hush hush' about the whole thing. Dad was born at Mount Cross Salvation Army home, Bramley, and in documentation now held at William Booth College, London, my grandmother named her baby's father - Hoyle. Since then I have been busily ferreting out what I could about him and his family - not an easy task, apart from basic family tree info.
C
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Hi C
Which one! You could try Calderdale Family history society as the use Brighouse Library building.
Dobby
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Hi Dobby,
I am lucky as I work in a Local Studies Library, and know what is available, and also have a genealogist friend who is able to travel about the country, and has found invaluable info for me (she found out about the naughty Mr Hoyle). I have found a lot of Hoyle ancestors by using various websites, and have Herbert's baptism rec (1890 Elland Parish Church). Herbert's son to his wife Bertha (Eric Archie 1925 - 1982) lived about half a mile from me when I was growing up in Brighouse, and none of us knew of his existence). So all in all it is a rather strange story! I really would like to know just when Herbert died though, for my own curiosity, so I will have a look at the Brighouse Echo microfilm, either at Brighouse of Halifax libraries.
I thank you for your help as I feel I am a step closer to getting this information now. There were so many possible death records for Herbert, over a large number of years, and I just thought I could try to find someone who might know what happened to him. The people who knew this took the secret to their graves.
Thanks again,
Chris
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Brighouse cemetery seems a logical start- Put ' Brighouse cemetery ' in the search engine above as I read about other people searching and finding people buried there in other threads. Also Google it as well! also Yahoo search!
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I'll give that a try! I know Bertha Hoyle was buried at Brighouse Cemetery, and it could be that Herbert is buried with her. I know a lot of graves in that cemetery are 50-year lease, but I'm not sure what happened to those buried there after the 50 years is up.
C
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Their cem record of burials will last longer than 50 years
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hi, sorry i don't know how old this thread is but i've just started to have a go at my family tree and stumbled across this thread,
my grandad is called george herbert hoyle an the family are from brighouse so i was thinking maybe there could be some connection? his father was ned hoyle and his mother lillian, bit of a long shot but if this bears any resemblence to what you already have for the hoyle's i'd be gratefull for any help :)
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Hi katboo,
The man I'm trying to find out about was William Herbert Hoyle (known as Herbert). He was the son of George Hoyle and Harriet Milnes. He had several siblings - Mary H, Elizabeth, Alfred, Milnes, Olive, Florence. He was married to Bertha Saville, and had one son to her - Eric Archie, who died 1982. He was born in Greetland in 1887, but lived most of his life in Brighouse. I have not yet been able to find his death date, but now have a few clues to work on. As far as I know, most of his siblings lived in Brighouse also. I would not be at all surprised if other relatives still live in the area. Do any of these names ring a bell?
Christine
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i don't know myself but i will take this list to my grandparents and ask them!
thanks for getting back to me so quickly i'll let you know what i find out :)
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Is there an Harry Hoyle at all on your tree ?. I live a mile away from Brighouse and Harry was one of the characters that lived in our village many years ago
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The only Harry I can think of is the baby son of Herbert who died in infancy, but that does not mean this other Harry is not in some way related. I have not yet found all the children of Herbert's brothers, or their children, so you never know. I only found out last year that I was related to people named Hoyle, so no doubt there is a lot of work to do. I also live in the Brighouse area, and know of families named Hoyle, who may be distantly related to me. It's all been a bit tentative so far! I have a family tree on Ancestry.co.uk, and also on Genes Reunited, if you'd like to take a look.
Herbert's Hoyle family all seem to have been mill workers way back. Herbert himself lived on Old Lane, Brighouse, for quite a while. His son Archie lived on Empsall Row in later years, which is nearby. I think there were some relatives living at Clifton.
Best,
Christine
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Hi Chistine.
If you live in the Brighouse area then try Electoral registers, Newpapers BMD's, telephone directories, MI's at Archives or local libraries also Crematoriums remembrance books and more. YAS Claremont house near Leeds uni- Huddersfield/Halifax and Brighouse Libs/Archives and FHS
Dobby
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Thanks Dobby,
I'm lucky in that I work at one of the libraries you mention, and have access to a lot of records. I've visited Halifax Ref Library and have accessed Electoral Rolls there, and next on the agenda is the Brighouse Echo newspaper, which is held at Brighouse and Halifax libraries. I am hoping for a death notice for Herbert. I think it was you who pointed out a death entry to me for March qtr 1945 (there were a lot of possibilities to choose from!) I have not had time to search the Echo yet, but I'll have a look in the near future. I have a funny feeling this is probably the right entry. There was a rumour that Herbert was killed in a railway accident, but we don't know if that was true or a fob-off, as he was a very naughty man and led ladies up the garden path with promises of marriage when he was already entwined with another in Holy Wedlock!
Thanks for your suggestions and past help,
Christine
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I can now bring this thread to a close, as a trawl through microfilm of the Brighouse Echo newspaper has furnished me with information on the death of William Herbert Hoyle - Herbert died suddenly in January 1945, while at work at the ICI plant, Deighton, Huddersfield. He was 56 years old.
Thanks especially to Dobfarm!
Christine
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Hello
I notice that your post is from 2011.
I have a HARRY HOYLE who married SUSEY WOODSIDE in 1920 at Huddersfield.
Susey was living in Marsden in 1910 and Linthwaite in 1911.
I have just been looking at the Marsden Family History site and saw a Harry Hoyle who was in the Marsden Old Band which was situated in Marsden Lane. Susey Woodside was living with her family at 40 Marsden Lane, Marsden in 1910.
Is this the Harry you are looking for? Susey was my mother's cousin.
Regards
Pat Berry in Australia
Is there an Harry Hoyle at all on your tree ?. I live a mile away from Brighouse and Harry was one of the characters that lived in our village many years ago
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Hope you find what you're looking for.
Hoyle seems a not unusual name here in West Yorks but I recall a colleague called Hoyle who always had bother getting it spelled correctly when outside our area.
If your man died when in another part of the country the name might have been mis-spelled of mis-transcribed?
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Hello bykerlads
Thanks for your message.
I think the HARRY HOYLE who married SUSEY WOODSIDE was the son of WILLIE FRANCE HOYLE & wife ANNIE. This HARRY was born in 1895 and he had a brother HILDRED born in 1898. In 1911 they were living in Oliver Lane, Marsden, Huddersfield, Yorkshire.
I can find Church Marriage Records for her sisters Hilda & Annie and brother James Albert but none for Susey. I can only find the Marriage Registration Index for Susey and Harry in Dec Qtr 1920.
Thanks
Pat
Hope you find what you're looking for.
Hoyle seems a not unusual name here in West Yorks but I recall a colleague called Hoyle who always had bother getting it spelled correctly when outside our area.
If your man died when in another part of the country the name might have been mis-spelled of mis-transcribed?