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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Barnbarroch on Tuesday 21 June 11 15:38 BST (UK)
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Can anyone identify the Alexander Rose of Clava whose daughter Elizabeth is said to have married Alexander Mackenzie (7th) of Davochmaluach in 1695 (date of contract)? He was my 7G grandfather and I'd like to find his forebears.
Thanks.
Regards,
Jamie.
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The problem of going back that far is confirming and veryifying relationships
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Of course - and besides, I now see that Clava seems to have been a title held by the heir apparent to Kilravock - but there is no sign of an Alexander at the appropriate time.
Could all be a mistake/guesswork/fiction!
Regards,
Jamie.
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Hi
I've just done a simple search of the NAS online catalogue - search terms were:
where any field contains the word or phrase alexander rose of clava; dates between 1670 and 1750
Six records came up. it might be worth you following them up - I can't give a direct link to the listing but this is the online catalogue link:
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/
gnu
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Hi again
The name Hugh Rose of Clava has come up in my subsequent searches. here is a quote from one entry:
Charter by James, Bishop of Moray, to Alexander Rose, younger of Clava, lawful son of Hugh Rose of Clava and Jean Innes, his spouse, of the kirk lands of Daldowhaugh and others in the barony of Ardclach, which were resigned by the said deceased Hugh Rose. The Charter contains a Precept of Sasine directed to David Rose, burgess of Inverness, and is dated at Elgin, 8th April 1679. It is signed by the Bishop and the members of his chapter.
[Although listed here this document is not in the National Archives of Scotland having been either destroyed or badly damaged in a flood at Moy Hall]
Dated 8th April 1679 NAS Ref - GD176/579
It might be that Alexander was the son of Hugh Rose
gnu
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and another one:
Instrument of Sasine, dated 14th May 1684, of Alexander Rose, now of Clava, in the lands of Cantradoun [Cantraydoune], Dellagramich and Drumtenvell in the barony of Clavalg, also in the lands of Clavalg, Dellroy [?Dalroy], Drumoir [Drummuir] and Easter Urchell [Urquhill] in the barony of Clavalg and shire of Nairn, proceeding upon a Crown precept from Chancery, narrating his service as heir-male of the deceased Hugh Rose of Clava, his father, which states that he is of lawful age, and was married before his father's death. The precept is dated at Edinburgh, 6th May 1684. Sasine is given by Sir Hugh Campbell of Calder [Cawdor], knight, as bailie, and among the witnesses are Archibald Campbell, second lawful son of the said Sir Hugh, Mr. George Dunbar, subdean of Moray, James Rose in Cantradoun, and others.
[Although listed here this document is not in the National Archives of Scotland having been either destroyed or badly damaged in a flood at Moy Hall]
NAS Ref - GD176/608 Date - 14th May 1684
gnu
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Hello, I'm so sorry, I had no idea anyone had responded to my question. Thank you so much for your several ideas, I'll follow them up.
I'm most grateful.
Jamie.
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I'd totally forgotten this but glad that it might be useful,even after all this time.
:D
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LOL, it's never too late!
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Well, they're not going anywhere and it looks as if Alexander's parents might well be Hugh Rose of Clava and Jean Innes.
It would be worth doing some more searches in the NAs online catalogue:
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/
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It might be that Alexander was the son of Hugh Rose
gnu
The 1st February 1881 edition of the Bannfshire Journal mentions in an item relating to 1669, Alexander Rose, 2nd son of Hugh Rose of Clava, late provost.
Also, the 9th January 1904 edition of the Inveress Courier has:
. Anne Rose of Clava, who married Hugh Rose of Coulmony, resided Culdoicb, on the other side of the river. In May 1746 she wrote my ancestor. Alexander Rose of Culbase, who married Elizabeth Rose of Coulmony,
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Is there anything on Hugh Rose and Jean Innes, SM. As that is what it says in the NAS records that I found so long ago?
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It seems like it but I haven't nailed anything conclusive yet. It doesn't help the the Scottish Archives Web site seems to be frozen!
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Oh dear -I hope storm Ali hasn't arrived in Edinburgh yet as they're threatening us with it too.
The online catalogue does play up sometimes.
It might be worth doing a google book/journal search or even trying Scotlands People just in case.
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http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I90651&tree=CC
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http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I90652&tree=CC
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A bit more:
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1690-1715/member/rose-hugh-i-1663-1732
and
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Rose-2556
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The young lady was married on or before the 4th of February 1702 on which day her father granted a bond at Edinburgh for 9000 merks, as " the tocher promitted by me to Sir Alexander Mackenzie of Coull, with Mistris Margaret Rose, my daughter, and John Mackenzie, eldest son to the said Sir Alexander, upon the marriage entered into betwixt them." On the 9th of December 1702, Sir John Mackenzie of Coul! " grants to have counted with and discharged the Laird of Kilraoke" for that sum due " to the deceased Sir Alexander Mackenzie, my father."
The affairs of the family of Hay of Park and Lochlay had now come to a crisis, and the broad lands, their inheritance for many centuries, were to be sold. The following' contract partly explains the footing upon which they were purchased by the Laird of Kilravock. Duncan Forbes, who wrote it, was his uncle-in-law, having married Mary. another of the daughters of the godly house of Innes.
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This Kilravock was five times married, and very happy in virtuous and good Ladies. His first Lady was Margaret Campbell, eldest daughter of Sir Hugh Campbell of Calder and Lady Henriette Stuart, daughter of James Earl of Muray and of Lady Margaret Home, daughter of the Earl of Home. Kilravock married this Lady on the 19th of October 1683, and she died in the year , having brought him a son, Hugh, and two daughters, viz., Margaret, married to Sir John Mackenzie of Coul, and Mary, married to Mr. Duncan Forbes, Advocate, (and afterwards Lord Advocate, President of the College of Justice, and Laird of Culloden,) to whom she bore John Forbes now of Culloden.
Kilravock's second Lady was Jean Fraser, only child of Mr. James Fraser of Brae. He married this Lady in the year , and she died in the year [1699,] leaving only one surviving child, viz., Mr. James Rose now of Brae, Commissary of Inverness, and Sheriff' Substitute of the county of Nairn, who, in the year 17 , married Margaret Rose, daughter of John Rose of Braidley.
After the death of Jean Fraser, Kilravock, in the year 1699 , married Magdalen Cuthbert, daughter of George Cuthbert of Castlehill and Magdalen Fraser, daughter of James Fraser of Brae. This Lady died in the year having brought Kilravock two daughters, viz., Magdalen, married to Mackenzie of Davochmaluac, and Jean, married to Alex'- Robertson of Glasgowego, Provost of Aberdeen.
About the year 1704, Kilravock married Elizabeth Calder, daughter of Sir James Calder of Muirton, and of Grisel Innes, daughter of Sir Robert ....
KiLR. XV.] OF KILRAVOCK. 383
Innes of Innes. By this Lad}-, Kilravock had a numerous issue, but thev
all died in their infancy, except a daughter, Margaret, married in the year
1730 to Mr. Charles Campbel, son of Sir Archibald Campbel of Clunes.
Elizabeth Calder died 31 March 1728.
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Source of above...
A genealogical deduction of the family of Rose of Kilravock by Spalding Club (Aberdeen, Scotland);
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Can anyone identify the Alexander Rose of Clava whose daughter Elizabeth is said to have married Alexander Mackenzie (7th) of Davochmaluach in 1695 (date of contract)? He was my 7G grandfather and I'd like to find his forebears.
Thanks.
Regards,
Jamie.
He was Alexander Rose of Kilvarock.
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One gets boggle-eyed looking at a Rose marrying a Rose marrying a Rose....they sure are confusing all the way back to early 1200's! ;D
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One gets boggle-eyed looking at a Rose marrying a Rose marrying a Rose....they sure are confusing all the way back to early 1200's! ;D
I give up! ;D
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