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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: garryscotland on Friday 15 July 11 17:27 BST (UK)
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Hi all
Can anyone help looking to get more information on my great,great,great,great grandfather William Stephen born 1797? Forfarshire according to 1851 census, married Isabella Reid 1828 Chaple of Garioch, one son Robert, William died Newhills Aberdeen 1869 and on death cert father James but no mother. Just wondered if anyone out there had info or doing the same tree.
Regards Garryscotland
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hi garryscotland u r in luck william stephen is also my great,great,great,great grandfather so that would make us cousins , cousin and a side of the family i have never met.i have traced back from me all down the line to william and i have ended up to now , with the same information as yourself . i very much look forward to hear from you regards castleman
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William Stephen b Dundee 13 March 1799, when Dundee was classed as to be in Forfarshire, now Angus.
Regards
Malky
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Hi Malky
Thanks for your help but Williams parents on Scotlands Peop in 1799 are David Stephen & Jean Kerr, on his death cert is James but no mothers name, dont think it is him. Have you ever got a geneoligist to help with your searching when you hit a brick wall and are they costly
Regards GarryscotlandWilliam Stephen b Dundee 13 March 1799, when Dundee was classed as to be in Forfarshire, now Angus.
Regards
Malky
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hi garryscotland u r in luck william stephen is also my great,great,great,great grandfather so that would make us cousins , cousin and a side of the family i have never met.i have traced back from me all down the line to william and i have ended up to now , with the same information as yourself . i very much look forward to hear from you regards castleman
Hi Cus
I have only started the tree and went off like a rocket and then hit the William brick wall, it is a shame because i was doing so well , i am 53 and stay in Peterhead, looking at the tree most of our relations are or were scattered around Aberdeenshire Newhills, Skene, and quite a lot in the city its self.
regards Garry
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Hi,
There is this record.
William Stephen
Baptism/Christening Date 23 Aug 1796
Baptism/Christening Place Kintore, Aberdeen
Birth Date: 18 Aug 1796
Father's Name James Stephen
Mother's Name Janet Davidson
Sharon
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hi cus carnt pm not enough posts.i am 48 and i follow the line of eldest sons robert stephen, my grandfather robert john wilson stephen was told by my grandmother the buck stops here so my uncle is called john eldest son, my father peter second eldest.my aunties and uncles and cousins all live in peterhead and boddam,so close hey,my mum and dad live in buckie,and guess what i am coming to visit for a week as on 16/08/11 a week on tuesday.i hope we can meet for a brew and a biscuit. ;D
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"Thanks for your help but Williams parents on Scotlands Peop in 1799 are David Stephen & Jean Kerr, on his death cert is James but no mothers name, dont think it is him. Have you ever got a geneoligist to help with your searching when you hit a brick wall and are they costly"
Some more to add to the confusion
William Stephen b 10 JUN 1791, Dundee, Angus, Scotland, James Stephen / Helen Lawson
William Stephen b 24 Jan or Feb 1792, Arbroath, Angus, Scotland, James Stephen / Margaret Petrie 2 date conflicting records
William Stephen b 28 Nov 1795 Craig By Montrose, Angus, Scotland, James Stephen / Jean Teviotdale
William Stephen b 14 Jan 1799 Barry, Angus, Scotland, James Stephen / Mary Scott
Regards
Malky
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I have been looking for my Great grandfather, Robert S. McKay for the better part of 60 years. It is said he was born in Freaserburgh, October 13, 1813. However, there is absolutely no record of Robert there. Now his middle name was, according to his obituary, STEPHENSON. I am beginning to wonder if Robert may have been adopted or fostered out to a Stephen or Stephenson family. According to his biography which he wrote he wrote for an OHIO USA County history he left Aberdeenshire around 1836 to go to Manchester, England—I assume for work. He was a stone mason and Manchester was in the middle of the industrial revolution, and building was a major occupation of masons. In Manchester he married Emma Hurst/Hirst around 1845, and they had a child William Wallace McKay born 1845. The only record I can find of this family in Manchester is William’s birth record.
Does anyone have any information on Robert Stephens? I have found a James MacKay who married Elizabeth Stephen Oct 30, 1803 in Tyrie. I believe there is a family here somewhere, but I cannot prove it Does this story ring a bell with anyone? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
David
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when Dundee was classed as to be in Forfarshire, now Angus.
Sorry, but this is a case of accurate information being potentially misleading!
The city of Dundee was always in the County of Angus.
However some time in the 18th century someone decided to 'rationalise' the names of (some of) the Scottish counties by renaming them after their respective county towns. The county town of the county of Angus is Forfar, so Angus became Forfarshire to officialdom, but not universally to its inhabitants. The Statistical Account uses both names, and natives of the county often state in census etc that they were born in Angus.
In 1928 this change of official name was reversed by Act of Parliament and the county reverted to its ancient name of Angus for all official purposes.
It was not until the reorganisation of local government in 1975 that the City of Dundee council was made independent of the rest of Angus. At the same time all the historic counties were abolished as local authority areas, but they remain in existence as ceremonial counties.
So in general, for historical research purposes, Dundee is in Angus. Forfarshire, bar the odd minor adjustment of a boundary here and there, is synonymous with Angus. Angus is the ancient and traditional name.
The only time you need to know what place is in which modern local government area is if you are looking for records which may be in the care of the present local authorities - the obvious one being burial records.
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So Angus, including Dundee, was changed to Forfarshire, including Dundee, then reverted to Angus minus Dundee. Dundee then got it's own status.
Regards
Malky
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So Angus, including Dundee, was changed to Forfarshire, including Dundee, then reverted to Angus minus Dundee. Dundee then got it's own status.
Very nearly. It reverted to Angus including Dundee in 1928, and Dundee became a separate unit in 1975.
It had its own council before 1975 of course, but then so did Forfar, Arbroath, Brechin, Montrose, Kirriemuir, Carnoustie etc. In 1975 all the councils were done away with and replaced by three - Tayside Regional Council which included Angus, Kinross-shire and most of Perthshire and had responsibilities for roads and transport, education, social work, regional planning etc, and two District Councils, Angus DC and the City of Dundee DC, which were responsible for housing, libraries and museums, sports and recreation, burial grounds and local planning etc.
Then in 1995 the Regional Councils were abolished and the districts made responsible for all aspects of local government.
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"Thanks for your help but Williams parents on Scotlands Peop in 1799 are David Stephen & Jean Kerr, on his death cert is James but no mothers name, dont think it is him. Have you ever got a geneoligist to help with your searching when you hit a brick wall and are they costly"
Some more to add to the confusion
William Stephen b 10 JUN 1791, Dundee, Angus, Scotland, James Stephen / Helen Lawson
William Stephen b 24 Jan or Feb 1792, Arbroath, Angus, Scotland, James Stephen / Margaret Petrie 2 date conflicting records
William Stephen b 28 Nov 1795 Craig By Montrose, Angus, Scotland, James Stephen / Jean Teviotdale
William Stephen b 14 Jan 1799 Barry, Angus, Scotland, James Stephen / Mary Scott
Regards
Malky
Hi Malky
2011 was the last time I was on , bored during lockdown looked at tree again , think you were spot on with the first two as William died 1st May 1869 aged 78 ,so makes his birth 1791/2 , spoke to a lady and she said the census was taken and they rounded it up to the nearest five years after the age of 15 .
Also contacted a man at the Dundee Courier where Williams death was published as well as the Aberdeen Press and Journal as he died and buried in Aberdeen ,he said that the person carrying out the will would have put the death in the two publications as to capture any family in the Dundee Forfarshire Angus area.
Searched for a will but could not find one , just one for his wife Isabella .
Can not get a link to match my William with the first two you mentioned, I see the 1792 William was christened on 24 Feb 1792 Arbroath Angus .
Have run out of options again ,one day maybe one day.