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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Clackmannanshire => Topic started by: snowwhite77 on Monday 02 May 05 22:38 BST (UK)
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I am hoping to get to the Library this week where they have death records fro Clackmannan only pre 1852. If anyone wants me to check someone for them let me know!
Remember only pre 1852. Try to tell me as much as possible, not sure how much time i wil have so will do my best!
Amanda
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I managed to get there this morning.
The library actually has all the OPR Clackmannan pre1852. If anyone wants any look ups in the future i will try my best. Not sure when i will get there but will check in here before i go.
They are indexed by names and D.O.B so if you can give me as much info as you can.
Amanda
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If you go again, I'd be very grateful for any information on Andrew Cairns-I would imagine he was born about 1750. He married Betty Maxwell in 1776 in Tillicoultry and all their children were born in Tillicoultry. Their last child was born in 1794 and he was dead before 1855 when his son John died. I am at the brick wall stage trying to find out his date of birth and parents' names. Perhaps Betty Cairns's death record might be there as well. Thanks.
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Will hopefully going back soon.
Will check that for you!
Amanda
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Thanks. :)
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Hi Hillwalker.
I'm also researching Andrew Cairns = Elizabeth Maxwell.
I'm afraid that I have also come up against a brick wall. However, I have a copy of the OPR entry for their marriage and it seems to suggest that Betty was from Stirling.
We have not been able to find any death record for either of them.
Are you related to them? If so through which of their children?
I am Williamina Eugenia's great4grandson.
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I'm a descendant of Williamina Eugenia's brother John who married Mary Ann Drummond, William Drummond's sister. The only possibility for Betty Maxwell in Stirling that I have found so far is Bethia Maxwell, born 1753 to John Maxwell and Mary Finlayson. Andrew Cairns is a puzzle - I would have expected his father to be called John, in accordance with the Scottish tradition of naming the first son after the father's father but there's no trace of him. As I'm sure you've discovered, there are only about 3 Andrews recorded as being born between c.1740 and 1755, but there's another Andrew marrying in Tillicoultry in the 1760s and one marrying in Alva in 1775. It looks like the records just don't exist and Andrew's parents will remain a mystery. :'( I hope your investigations into the other branches of your family were successful.
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Hello Hillwalker
I am a descendant of John Cairns and Mary Ann Drummond.
They were my gggg grandparents.
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Hi Hillwalker
Which branch of John Cairns and Mary Drummond are you from?
I am from their son Andrew who married Jane Greig
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I'm from Thomas Drysdale Cairns who married Mary Young. Their daughter Mary married Richard Thomson and I'm descended from them. Our branch of the family lives in Inverness now. This is great- suddenly a little gathering of Cairns!
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Do you know from whom the name Drysdale came and why Thomas and Mary called their daughter Helen Whyte
I think it's great also suddenly all these Cairns coming together
I am stuck with Andrew and Elizabeth Maxwell as well.
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I think the Drysdale is just from an important family in Alva.They were land-owners and manufacturers. This ties in with John and Mary naming their next son James Raymond Johnstone Cairns after the son of Sir John Johnstone of Alva. In spite of hours of hunting, I can find no reason for Helen having the middle name Whyte. I'm also in the dark about James Raymond Johnstone Cairns's daughter Grace-where did the Alexander come from? and why did he call his first son Peter? I see your Andrew and Jane gave two of their children the middle names Morton and Anderson - any idea about these?
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Hi Hillwalker
Grace Alexander was Christina's mother's maiden name and Peter Mcculloch was her father.
I don't know where the names Morton and Anderson came from though.
That's interesting about James Raymond Johnstone I wondered why they named him Raymond Johnstone.
Looking on the IGI I found a John Cairns married a Mary Whyte at Blackford Perth in 1750. so was hoping that I had found Andrew Cairns parents
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Hello Summerton
Thanks for the information re Christina MCulloch. I last searched for her parents quite a while ago, before I had read enough genealogy books to realise that Christina and Christian were forms of the same name and likewise with Grace and Grizel/Grisel/Grizal.
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How far back have you got with William Drummond's family?. I haven't got anything on the Drummond side before his father William's marriage to Margaret Donaldson and only Margaret Donaldson's parents and her sisters.
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Hi Hillwalker,
I see that "Summerton" has joined the chat - we have a history of exchanging family tree info :)
I do know William Drummond's parents, William Drummond and Margaret Donaldson m. 19 Jul 1772 at Muthill but that's as far as I have got. Margaret Donaldson's parents appear to be William Donaldson and Grizal Chambers (or Chalmers) m. 6 Jan 1740 at Dunning. Muthill is exciting since it is the parish containing Drummond Castle; my grandmother always claimed that there was some funny goings-on on the Drummond side (I think she hoped we were related to the nobility) but that has yet to be proved.
Are you interested in the downward tree from Williamina Eugenia? If so contact me at (*) and I can email the GEDCOM to you.
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Hi Spansoft
I downloaded the gedcom of the Passmore family tree from Ancestry World Tree Project, after a bit of Googling, so i think I'm OK for Williamina. I see her will is available for viewing at Scotlandspeople (under William Eugenia Cairns).
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Hi Hillwalker,
No problem - the Passmore copy is quite old though - I'm not sure if I've made any changes since then.
I think it must be Williamina's husband William Drummond's will - which I do have a copy of.
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This is what is listed on Scotlandspeople:-
Surname Forename Date Description Type Court Reference Image
Cairns William Eugenia ,Mrs 27/09/1864 widow of William Drummond Feuar at Drumhead of Saline Cupar Sheriff Court SC20/50/36 VIEW (£5.00)
(7 pages )
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Hi Hillwalker
Do you know anything about Mary, Andrew, and Daniel Cairns
Andrew and Elizabeth's children.
I can't find them anywhere.
Iv'e found all the others. ???
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No, sorry Summerton, I'm stuck with those ones too. :(
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I found an Andrew Cairns married a Mary Breingan in Tillicoultry in 1820
Her name is spelt Breignan in the births. She was born 10th July 1790 at Tillicoultry. Could be a possibility. :-\
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I see a Mary" Braingan" and Andrew Cairns also got married in 1825 in Muckhart . There was an Andrew Cairns born in Muckhart in 1784. :-\
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Hi Hillwalker :)
The 1881 census has got Thom Thomson and Thomas Thomson
who was Thom?
I've got Richard and Mary having 5 children Thom,Mary Young. Thomas,Elizabeth Cairns, and Janet are there any more?
Thanks
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Hi Amanda,
If you get back to the library, I am trying to find the death date of WILLIAM SNADDON b. abt. 1769 in Alloa. He was married to ANN HUNTER and their last child was born in 1804, so death after that. Vague, I know, but I can't seem to find more.
Also,
JOHN HUNTER b. Jan. 24, 1774, Clackmannan married to MARY ALLAN b. Apr. 28, 1771. Last child was born 1806.
Have a great day!
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Any deaths for children of Alexander waddell/waddle & Ann Graham. Esp Jean born 1845 in Auchterarder.I am not sure if they were in Dollar by this date but no joy in Perth & as their youngest three were born there 1851,1856& 1859 hope there might be something.Thanks very much greatly appreciated.
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Hello All ,
I would appreciate a look up for Alexander Thomson born around 1814 .
He was married to Margaret Graham I have her death cert for 1869 she was a widow but to date I have not been able to find Alexanders death.
Any help appreciated
Margaret.
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Hi Snowwhite. I notice one of your "families" is Chalmers of Stirlingshire. Do you have info on John Hall married to Jane Chalmers b. abt 1828(Stirlingshire)? In the 1861 census they were residing at 6 High St, Clackmannan (children Elizabeth, John, Jane, and Francis). Occupation: coal miner.
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Hello,
I wonder if you can give me a few brief details about the location of Death Records pre-1855. Is there a specific e-mail address? Do they have a CD of them that I may be able to buy?
Best Wishes,
Tom.
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Hi Hillwalker - Trying to find the death of Robert Sneddon birth c1801, he was married to Charlotte Marshall 26 May 1827 they had a daughter Robina born 1831 Sauchie for some reason Charlotte reverted to her maiden name, but have just obtained death certificate for her son John COOK his parents on cert are James Cook (blacksmith) deceased, and Charlotte Marshall widow of ROBERT SNEDDON, John is markd as illegitimate on death cert. I think ..I have narrowed it down that ROBERT SNEDDON would have died between 1830 and 1836 ..could be wrong, but...all I have is that he was born Clackmannanshire and his occupation was Pit Banksman..could have been a pit accident ???
Have chased the Marshall's from 1841 thru to 1871 and they remained in Clackmannanshire at Newtonshaw.
I just don't know!! have been chasing ROBERT for quite some time so this is a last resort but as he is my grandfather x3 can't move forward on that side.
Every little would help. Regards Pat
P.S. May also add Charlotte also had another daughter CHARLOTTE COOK BORN 1826 before her marriage to ROBERT SNEDDON get's complicated ???
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Hi
Just to let you know if you google Minning clackmannanshire takes you to a mining history site with lists of fatality accidents etc
joan
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Hello,
I am a new rootschat member. I see you have Fyfe posted as one of your interests. I am looking at a ggg grandmother named Jane Fife (aka Fyfe) born 18 Mar 1827, died 2 Dec 1880 at Sauchie. Is this one of yours?
Thanks
Tom
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Hi Hillwalker,
'A little gathering of Cairns' I wonder what the collective noun for that is - a heap of Cairns? a pile ....? ? ? ?
Just to get back to the start of this thread and Snow White's offer to look up pre-1855 Clackmannan death records from the OPRs. I think I am right in saying these are the records transcribed and published by the Central Scotland FHS. If so, then I should warn you that they only cover the period 1832 to 1854. It was of course optional for the Minister as to whether he recorded deaths in the parish registers - a few did but many did not.
David.
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I was unaware the library held the OPR records. I'll try and visit over the coming week. I realise records of deaths are a bit of a hit and miss but I'm hoping to find the death of Robert Munro who died pre 1851. He was a Sheriff Officer and according to the 1841 census the family lived in the New Entry, which I gather ran parallel to the remainder of Paton's Mills at Greenside.