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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Monmouthshire => Wales => Monmouthshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: hencarrai on Tuesday 09 August 11 23:20 BST (UK)
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Can anyone please help find marriage of Elizabeth with Robert B??????.
1901 census shows 'Lizzie Ann' age 16, at home in Crumlin, Mon. with her parents Charles and Annie Morgan.
A boarder is Robert B age 17 born Symonds Yat, Monmouth.
RG13/4967/47/p33.
1911 census shows Lizzie Ann and Robert B married 2 years and still in Crumlin.
Robert born English Bicknor.
With them is Robert's father (Robert J B???) age 57, born Ireland.
Many thanks,
Rob
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Hello
is this the family
1901
RG13/4967 Folio 47 Page 33
Mynyddislwyn, Newport (Monmouthshire)
Charles Morgan 54 Head, ? ? ? Driver under Ground, worker, Crumlin, Monmouthshire
Annie Morgan 40 Wife, Birchy Well, Staffordshire, England
Lizzie Ann Morgan 16 Daughter, Crumlin, Monmouthshire
Melson Hox 39 Border, ? ? ? Below ground Labour, worker, Lancend, Gloucestershire
Robert Burgum 17 Border, ? ? ? Heavyer under ground, worker, Semonsyet, Monmouthshire
Sorry the mens occupation has lines threw it there is something written at the beginning of each but a bit hard to read
Jackie
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Hello :)
I think it is possible that Lizzie Ann was born with the surname Bate.
Found a marriage in 1887 of Charles Morgan and Annie Bate
Pontypool volume 11a page 175
and a marriage of Robert Charles Burgwin and Elizabeth Ann Bate in 1909
Newport M volume 11a page 399
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Hello morgan
I was just posting that to
I also tried to find a marriage for her to a bates no luck so far
Jackie
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Here a birth for
Elizabeth Ann Bates
Registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1884
Newport, Monmouthshire
Volume 11a
Page 243
Jackie
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think this Ann Bate in 1871 at Ward St, Bilston, Staffs :)
Ann Bate Step Daughter age 8 born Brierly Hill, Staffordshire
with Thomas Davies age 28, his wife Elizabeth Davies age 36, his daughter Elizabeth age 16!!
and there's another Stepdaughter Sarah J Bate age 14
RG10 Piece 2953 Folio 97 Page 5
Kind Regards
Morgan
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1891
Crumlin Rd, Mynyddyslwyn
Charles Morgan Head age 42 Coal miner born Croespenmaen
Ann Morgan Wife age 30 born Croespenmaen (altho she's born Staffordshire on 1901)
Elizabeth A Morgan Dau age 7 born Crumlin
Frederick Wail Lodger age 25 Coal Miner
RG12 Piece 4382 Folio 21 Page 35
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Wow, thanks Jackie & Morgan.
You've really stirred the pot now.
I tentatively had Ann Roberts as Charles Morgan's wife, but I think your info makes much more sense of the family.
I guess I'm going to have to splash out on a couple of certificates to bottom it.
Thanks again,
Rob
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You're welcome, Rob :D
Let us know any new information that you discover when you get the certificates.
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Hi Morgan, this may be of interest:
I think the 1871 census you found reads Thomas and Elizabeth Dawes (not Davies).
Fbmd has marriage of Thomas Dawes and Elizabeth Bate, 1869 Shifnal, Shropshire.
As 1871 census shows Elizabeth Bate brought with her Sarah J. and Ann; either from previous marriage or base born. I haven't found a marriage.
This census says Thomas Dawes was 12 when 'daughter' Elizabeth was born??
1881 census shows Daw(e)s family in Kendon Rd, Crumlin; daughters, Ann(18), Elizabeth(11), Clara(8).
Ann noted as Imbecile, (maybe because she couldn't make up her mind as to whether she was Bate or Dawes, ha,ha). She must be the Ann Bate who married Charles Morgan in 1887 do you think?
1911 census for Robert Burgwin and Lizzie Ann also shows Clara Dawes(38) Aunt.
Best wishes,
Rob
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Hi Rob :)
Apologies, I agree that the name is Dawes not Davies in 1871. Been dealing with too many Welsh families... :D
That is a good find! However, I'm not sure whether an imbecile would have been allowed to marry. Perhaps it was an error :-\ She is also listed as Wife of Lab (" " " as her Mother).
It does fit though!
Kind Regards
Morgan