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Help please
Am looking for more information on the above.
George Green b1785, occupation Journeyman painter 1810, his wife and children recorded in Bridgewater area, cannot find death record for George
Married to Fanny b 1780, would like to find details of their marriage (in Shefford?)
They had many children, my interest based on Daughter Maria Green, all born Compton cum Shefford, Bedfordshire
Many thanks
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Sorry, this one seems to have slipped through the net.
I see from an earlier Green thread that you have the baptims of their children in Campton. It seems probable that the adult baptism of George Green on the same day that children of George and Fanny were baptised, is the George that you're looking for, which unfortunately is no help at all in finding his parents.
John Green and Martha were baptising children in Campton at the right time. Might they have missed George? Or were there other Green families in Campton which I can't find as the IGI is a complete mess at the moment. Batch searches don't work. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
I can't find a marriage for George and Fanny - and virtually all Beds marriages pre 1813 are extracted onto the IGI.
Fanny 60 was living with her daughter Maria Thomas in 1841, but no sign of George
David
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David
Thank you so much for your reply, as you say it is a brick wall, igi always seems a bit hit and miss and takes so long to load, you wish you had never started.
Maybe George and Fanny did not marry! it is frustrating to know that the information is there somewhere but not accessible.
Again thanks for your help
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Wonder if I can kick this brick wall and see if an kind RC can help me with finding this family
Many thanks for your interest
axecalibre
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Hi
Have you got Fanny in 1861? RG9/1618/5 Pg3
She is 81 a widow living with daughter Rebecca Stephens. Fanny's birthplace is given as Hertfordshire, Potten so perhaps she married in Herts? You can check the Allen Index of Herts marriages here
https://www.hertsdirect.org/ufs/ufsmain?ebz=1_1344373305799
Jan ;)
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In 1851 Fanny is also with Rebecca and family - ref. HO107 - 1923 - 6 - 4 - and this time it gives her birthplace as Hitching, Hertfordshire which I assume should be Hitchin.
Annette
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I wonder if Potten Herts might be Pirton, just outside Hitchin, only 4 miles across the fields from Campton.
They appear to have married before 1803 when one of their children was born, yet there's nothing on the Allen Marriage Index in Herts nor on the IGI in Beds
David
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Pirton does sound more likely than Potten End (near Hemel Hempstead), which I was assuming it was, since she said Hitchin in 1851.
Dee how do you know George was born c1785?
Jan ;)
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Thank you all for searching.
George Green age calculated on death June 1840 Taunton age 55. BMD. I do not have his death certificate.
I also have George adult christening 10 July 1809 Campton cum Shefford, and again when, I think, another of his children was christened, in 1810 he is noted as Journeyman painter.
Yes I have Fanny with her children in 1851 and 1861. Fanny died Bedminster, Wells 1863 aged 83 which makes her DOB 1780. Have also tried looking for her under name Fanny.
Yes maybe it should be Pirton, but do not have local knowledge so not sure where to look.
Sorry but I got totally muddled with Campton cum Shefford, Hitchin and Potten, knowing which records to access.
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Campton cum Shefford is Beds, Hitchin and Potten/?Pirton are Herts. Sadly there isn't a marriage showing in Beds or Herts. It is possible they didn't marry of course - George would have been under 21 if age at death is correct so perhaps his parents said no? or maybe Fanny was already married? maybe they married later? perhaps in Somerset?
Bit of a puzzle
have you looked for wills for George and Fanny? They could be enlightening if they exist.
Jan ;)
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When you're desperate, as you obviously are, you need to clutch at anything which might provide a clue.
BLARS at Bedford hold a will of John Green of Shefford, mealman and baker, reference 1810/23. I would get a copy to see if he mentions a son George, or grandchildren.
The IGI dates the baptism of George Green as 10 July 1808, not 1809.
David
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Thanks Bedforshireboy, I found a baptism for George Green in 1808 and 1809, think there might have been two Georges the first having died.
I have managed to trace all nine of George and Fanny's children with the exception of John.
Excuse my ignorance but what does BLARS stand for?
Many thanks for your help
axecalibre
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BLARS is the Bedfordshire and Luton Archives and Records Service
http://www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/CommunityAndLiving/ArchivesAndRecordOffice/ArchivesAndRecordOffice.aspx
scroll down and on left hand side is 'search our catalogues'
If you decide to contact them about the will or anything else they are extremely helpful.
Jan ;)
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On Freereg there is this burial in Bishops Lydeard
George Green 70 buried 26 Jun 1840
which would fit with the Taunton district death you have for Jun qtr 1840 apart from the age. As the Death Index this early doesn't give ages I wonder where you got that he was 55 as you say you don't have the death certificate?
Jan ;)
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Mmmm correct Jan, not sure how I knew, maybe Parish records... So long ago, will have to dig out file, why haven't I noted where I get my information from??
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Taking a step back here:
George & Fanny Green baptised the following children in Campton
Fanny 16 Feb 1806, born 12 Jun 1803
William 16 Feb 1806, born 3 May 1805
Elizabeth 10 July 1808
George 18 Feb 1810, born 12 Jun 1809
George, no parents named, was baptised on 10 Jul 1808, the same day as Elizabeth, so I think it's reasonable to assume that it was an adult baptism of George the father of Elizabeth.
Which makes it all the more vital to establish his age on burial ie is the 1840 burial that Jan found the correct one, in which case we're looking for a 15 years older George than we thought.
What baptism/birth dates and places do you have for the other children of George and Fanny?
John and Martha baptised a number of children in Campton 1770-79. Might George have been their son, who somehow got missed?
On an earlier thread,you were given a marriage of John Green and Martha Neal née Green at Campton on 19 Nov 1767. Whilst this isn't on the IGI it looks OK, and there's time for George to have been born 1767-69.
Given that at least one Campton marriage seems to have been missed from the IGI I'd be tempted to view the microfilm to see if others may have been similarly missed
David
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This is what I have to date, the last date is death, where it says about and a date means I have traced them up to that date, and the last place
Fanny b 1803 - after 1851 Bridgewater
William b 1805 - 1882 Bridgewater
Elizabeth b 1806 - 1883 Hitchin
George b 1808 - 1809??
George 1809 - after 1881 Hitchin
Maria b 1813 - 1875 Lewisham
Rebecca b 1814 - 1887 Taunton
John b 1817 nothing after christening
Samuel b 1822 - 1904 West Ham Essex.
Baptism for all is Shefford, but I have written Campton cum Shefford for Maria, maybe because originally she was the person in which I was interested.
Maybe I should put a posting on the Somerset board to check death of George?
Again thank you for your interest