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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: djpegg on Sunday 14 August 11 21:42 BST (UK)
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I am interested in tracing the line of my maternal grandfather, Richard Heath who died in WW1. I have traced the Heath family from Farnborough and Aldershot, Hampshire to Guildford and Godalming in Surrey. George heath was born in 1838 in Guilford. He married a Augusta Harriett T? who was born in Godalming in 1838. in 1861. George's parents were George Heath and Charlotte? They were both born in Guildford in 1812 and 1835, respectively. I'd appreciate any help to learn more about the Heath family in Surrey. Thanks. David
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George's parents were George Heath and Charlotte? They were both born in Guildford in 1812 and 1835
If George was born in 1838 - Charlotte could not have been born in 1835
He married a Augusta Harriett T?
Per freebmd and the GRO index - her surname was Tunmer. Here is the marriage - 2 different dates given on the IGI
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0emu/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0emv/
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Where did you get his parents names from? In 1851 he is living with his widowed aunt Mary Boucher b 1804
In 1841 - Mary Boucher was living with Charles Heath aged 60 - she was possibly his daughter
On both occasions - it was in the Civil Parish of Holy Trinity
There is a George Heath aged 3 in 1841 also living in Holy Trinity but parents are George & Harriet
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Hi
1861 census RG9 428 folio 69
16 Castle Street Guildford Surrey
Geo Heath 49 Head Married Postman Guildford Surrey
Charlotte Heath 26 Wife Married Guildford Surrey
George Heath 23 Son Printer Guildford Surrey
Harriet Heath 13 Daughter Guildford Surrey
James Heath 11 Son Guildford Surrey
Agnes Clarence 19 Cousin Married Guildford Surrey
1851 census HO107 1594? folio 553
Mill? House Gate Holy Trinity Guildford Surrey
George Heath 41 Head Married Postman Guildford Surrey
Harriett Heath 32 Wife Married Laundress Lewes Sussex
John Heath 8 Son Guildford Surrey
Harriett Heath 2 Daughter Guildford Surrey
James Heath 8 months Son Guildford Surrey
Possible marriage (one of the children's birth certificates would prove it as they would have their mother's maiden name)
GEO HEATH
HARRIET KITCHERNER
Marriage: 02 OCT 1836 Stoke Next Guildford, Surrey
Possible death registration but the age does not quite match the 1851 census (taken from a burial index not the actual burial register)
Deaths Dec 1853
Heath Harriet Guildford 2a 28
Buried 25th October 1853 Holy Trinity Guildford
Harriet Heath aged 31?
The IGI/Family Search has two possible baptisms for George Heaths in Guildford.
GEO HEATH
Christening: 08 JUL 1810 Holy Trinity, Guildford, Surrey
Father: CHAS HEATH
GEO HEATH
Christening: 30 JUN 1811 Holy Trinity, Guildford, Surrey
Father: GEO HEATH
George's second marriage will give the details of his father (and confirm whether it was Charles) but there does not seem to be any children, or any that survived for this marriage to help establish Charlotte's maiden name.
The Lambeth marriage in 1858 is of a George Heath widower but his occupation is a tailor, though his father was called Charles.
Charles Heath had a daughter called Mary.
MARY HEATH
Christening: 03 SEP 1802 Holy Trinity, Guildford, Surrey
Father: CHAS HEATH
MARY HEATH
CHARLES BOUCHER
Marriage: 11 SEP 1827 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London
Regards
Valda
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Guildford Holy Trinity
Baptisms
29 Apr 1838 George Heath son of George and Harriet, tailor
8 Jul 1810 George Heath son of Charles
30 Jun 1811 George Heath son of George
Burial
25 Oct 1853 Harriet Heath aged 31
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Charles Heath of Guildford, slopseller, left a will dated 1845 and proved 1845 in Surrey Archdeaconry Court.
He mentions his sons James, William and George Heath, and daughters Mary Boucher, Ann Willis and Sarah Heath.
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Charles Heath buried in Guildford H.T. 31 Jul 1845 aged 68
There is (or was) an M.I. in Holy Ttinity churchyard:
Charles Heath died 25 Jul 1845 aged 68 and also his wife Elizabeth died 1 Feb 1836 aged 65.
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I now have information that I think solves the problem of two George Heaths being born about the same time in the same place, Guildford. Thanks to bjmayes, valda and caroleW. These two Georges are distinguished by the name of their father, either George or Charles. The clue appears to be in the one document i have, the birth certificate of the son, also called George He was born in 1838 in Guildford. His parents were listed as George Heath and Harriet Kircherner. The important information is that the father was listed as a tailor. Valda found information of George's second marriage in 1858 to presumably Charlotte? in Lambeth, Surrey (which i assume is near Guilford). George was listed as a widower and a tailor. His father was listed as Charles Heath (and not George). Valda also found that Charles heath had a daughter Mary, who later married a Charles Boucher in Westminister in 1827. She was born in 1802. bdmayes found that the will of Charles Heath, who died in 1845, had a son George and a daughter mary Boucher. In the 1841 census, Mary Boucher was living with her father Charles. He was 60, putting his birth around 1781. It would be nice to go back further. I wonder what the origin of the Boucher name is. One mystery remains. George, the son, was missing from the Heath household in the 1851 census. He would have been 13. He was present in the 1841 and 1861 censuses. Once again, thank you all for your kind contributions. Any comments or suggestions would be welcomed. Best wishes David
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Hi
Carole has already given you the information from the 1851 census.
'In 1851 he is living with his widowed aunt Mary Boucher b 1804'
He was certainly there on census night - one night in 10 years isn't enough evidence that he consistently lived with her though.
Lambeth is now in central London - south of the river Thames. Guildford and Lambeth are just under 30 miles apart.
10th January 1858 St Barnabas South Lambeth
George Heath Full Age Widower Tailor 18 Walter Street Charles Heath Clothier
Charlotte Keene Full Age Spinster 18 Walter Street George Keene
Both signed
Witnesses Charles and Sarah Ann Birt
On the 1841 census Charles Heath's occupation was given as a clothier. He was living a few households away from George Heath senior and his family.
Regards
Valda
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Thanks again all of you. With your help I think I have my Heath line back to thee birth of Charles Heath in 1871. Valda, your information on the second marriage of Charles to Charlotte in 1858 was especially useful in that it gave Charlotte's maiden name. I hadn't thought that Lambeth was once part of Surrey. I was born nearby in Balham but a long time ago. I think one of the fun things about genealogy is that it allows you to "live" the experiences of your ancestors, and that is interesting in the context of local history. In the 18th century, most marriages would have taken place near Guildford bu by the middle of the 19th century, public transportation had advanced and 30 miles was no longer a long journey.
Thanks also for George's whereabouts at the time of the 1851 census.
Charle's occupation as a clothier fits with that of a slopseller listed in the will found by bdmayes. I looked up what a slopseller was. It was the selling of cheap,work-type clothes. A clothier! Interestingly, his son George's occupation is listed as a tailor. Still in the cloths business.
Charles wasn't the only one to go to London to find a spouse. It appears Mary Heath did also. She was married in Westminster. I need to find out more about her husband, Charles Boucher. Sounds French, doesn't he?
As usual, any comments or suggestions would be welcomed. Best wishes David
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Mary was most likely in the London area (London then officially only the square mile of the City) working as servant. George and Charlotte would have had to be there for the three weeks the banns needed to be called before the marriage. People travelled to London - well before the C19th to marry because it afforded them anonymity, plus of course they got to see the big city. Charlotte was over 20 years younger than George.
There were three baptisms to parents Charles and Mary Boucher at St Mary Aldermary in the City of London
28th November 1828 born 7th November
Elizabeth, 16 Bow Lane, father's occupation hairdresser
married William John Mockeridge 21st September 1847 St John Hackney
with her mother on the 1841 census
14th February 1830 born 21st January
Mary Ann - same details as before
15th January 1832 born 17th December 1831
Jane - same details as before
buried 16th May 1856 Holy Trinity Guildford aged 24
with her mother on the 1841 census
Regards
Valda
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Thanks valda. I think I know the reason Mary Boucher returned to Guildford. On FamilySearch I found a Charles Boucher that died on 26 Nov, 1835. He was buried in Westminster, Middlesex. This was only 8 years after his marriage, but enough time to have three children in 1828, 1830 and 1832. It didn't give the cause of his death. Mary must have moved back to Guildford soon thereafter. I think Charles was born in 1803 but I'm not sure about this.
The 1828 birth listed Charles as a hairdresser. I still think somewhere down the line there must have been a French, or maybe Belgian, connection with a name like Boucher.
Interesting thoughts about why Mary met Charles in London and why Charles decided to go to London for his second marriage to a much younger woman.
Do you have any suggestions on what I should do to go beyond Charles Heath. Are Parish records for Guildford available on CD? Thanks again. david
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Hi
West Surrey Family History Society publications
http://www.wsfhs.org/publications.htm
IGI/Family Search coverage of Guildford parish registers
(this search - http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountySurrey.htm#G
A Dictionary of British Surnames - P. H. Reaney
Butcher, Butchers, Bucher, Boucher, Boutcher, Bowcher, Bowker
Old French for butcher - he lists the surname found as far back as 1184 in England - Ailwardus le Bochere
Over 800 Bouchers on the 1851 English census, nearly all born in the British Isles (one in Grenada and one in Italy). Only one born France Louis Le Boucher aged 26.
Regards
Valda