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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cumberland => England => Cumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: E. HOEY on Tuesday 03 May 05 23:22 BST (UK)
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Could anyone please look in the 1871 census Cumberland / Ulverston area. I am looking for William Nicholson / Blacksmith
aged about 28, I have no more info on him only the above.
Any info appreciated. Cheers Eddy.
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Is that really all you know? Have you found him in 1881? Any idea of place of birth? How do you know his age and occupation? Any more snippets will help. I looked and there are several in Cumberland but not blacksmiths.
Andrea
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Hi Andrea
Do you have the 1851 census for Cumberland
William Nicholson, would be about 8, his fathers
name was John occupation Gardener.
I looked in the 1837 on line for the 1861 census
for Lancashire and found one William Nicholson
aged 18 apprentice blacksmith to a Myles Jackson
township or parish Torver.
A very old relative said he thinks they where
from Cumberland.
Many thanks. Eddy
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Hi Andrea
Do you have the 1851 census for Cumberland
William Nicholson, would be about 8, his fathers
name was John occupation Gardener.
I looked in the 1837 on line for the 1861 census
for Lancashire and found one William Nicholson
aged 18 apprentice blacksmith to a Myles Jackson
township or parish Torver.
A very old relative said he thinks they where
from Cumberland.
Many thanks. Eddy
you may want to look at this one from BVRI
William Nicholson b 29/1/1841
chris 12/3/1841 Kendal Westmorland
father John Nicholson
mother Elizabeth
audrey
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I haven't got the 1851 I am afraid and Cumberland is a large county. If you add Westmorland in too that is am even bigger area to search! I was looking on the 1871. I have now looked at the 1861 and the William Nicholson you are talking about was born in Lancashire! I think you are clutching at straws here! Who did he marry? Do you know any more about the later family. How does he connect to the rest of your family that you are sure about? You need to work back from what you actually know.
Andrea
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Hi Eddy
I have the 1851 for Torver and the blacksmith then was a John Wilson - he was the "Blacksmith & Beerkeeper" no less! There are no William and John Nicholsons of the right age in the area.
Problem you have is the way the counties were in those days - Cumberland, Westmorland and Lancashire all joined in that area. I have a couple of families from this part of the world and they clearly had no idea what county they were from, the town is the only consistent thing. So does your relative mean they were from Cumbria (in which case it could be any of the 3 counties) or Cumberland (in which case you are probably in the wrong area).
I agree with Andrea I'm afraid - Nicholson is a really common name up here so with just the name and the area you will struggle, even if you are sure of the father's name. You may find a few likely people but you need to be sure they are your relatives. Free BMD lists 18 William Nicholsons born in Cumberland between 1840 and 1846, 6 in Westmorland and 23 in Lancashire. So there are at least 47 William Nicholsons in the area that you could find! The IGI lists about 18 Williams from the same area who have a John as a father.
How do you know that William is in your family tree and that his father was John? Do you have details of his children or his wife? If you are just going on the sayso of an elderly relative they are not always accurate (my grandfather told me one of my ancestors was hung and another was related to a famous border revier - sadly none of it was true!).
Post up everything that you know and I'm sure there are plenty of people who are on here that can help.
Sue
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Hi Andrea and Sue.
I have his marr/cert a copy he was married
in Ireland in 1869 to a Ann Mckevitt
that is why he is not in England in 1870.
Also 1901 census for Ireland aged 62. born
England.that is why I thought the one in 1861
Lancashire census may have been the one I was looking for.
But as you say it's like looking for a needle
in a haystack.
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Sorry said to say many thanks for your time
Andrea and Sue
Cheers Eddy :)
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Hi Eddy
good luck with it all - just a couple of other thoughts I had that might help?
Are there any Nicholson witnesses to the marriage - if there are could give you some other family members that will help with searching on the census.
Not sure what information Irish death certificates give but if you can find the record it might contain some information on date of birth or other info.
Have you got the parish record of the marriage to see if this gives any other details the main certificate doesn't - apparantly some church records in Ireland recorded mother's details as well as father? I think that Protestant marriages were recorded slighlt differently to Catholic ones at this time so if William was Protestant this might be worth looking into.
This site seems quite good:
http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/index.cfm (ftp://http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/index.cfm)
Sue