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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: TessieWessie on Friday 19 August 11 10:52 BST (UK)
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After failing to find my Gt.Grandfather William S C Lawrence's death date my next best option is to try to find the rest of his family who were born and brought up in Kirby-le-Soken.
Dora's mother ran a confectionery shop according to the 1911 census and Dora was 13 on the census. If she married and was still living in K-L-S I would imagine her marriage would have taken place in St.Michaels church.
I do know that Dora's brother Reginald who on the 1911 census was a milkman (or helping the milkman) was young enough to serve in WW1 but went on the run, eventually went to live in London changing his surname to Farrow. He married twice and eventually emigrated to Australia where he married his 2nd wife.
The children of this 2nd wife would love to know more regarding this Lawrence family.
Dora had a sister Caroline born 1900 in K-L-S nd their two brothers Reginald and Sidney were born in London but again I cannot find either of their birth details. Dora's mother was a Hilda Lawerence, although I dont think she and my gt.grandfather ever married.
Can anyone help with Dora. TessieWessie
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Im a bit confused here.
Was Doras mum Hilda?Where is she if shes not at home?
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Dora doesnt appear on 1901 census either.Do you have any more information
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Have you seen Dora and Caroline in 1901?
RG13 1694 48 2
The Green Great Holland
Robert Easey 50 Farm labourer bn Suffolk Badringham?
Alice wife 48 bn Suffolk Heningham?
Dora Easey 10 dtr bn Suffolk
Dora M Lawrence 2 boarder bn Essex Kirby le Soken
Caroline LAwrence 10 mths bn K L S
are brothers Reginald and Sidney younger or older than the girls?
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I missed that was looking at Essex KLS
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Between us we have got them all!
Here is the parents:
RG13 1694 7011
Kirby Cross
William 60 Publican bn Marylebone
Hilda 41 bn Norton Yorkshire
Gilbert 5 bn London
Reginald 3 bn London
Annie Easey 16 servant
(clearly a connection with the Easeys!)
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1901 Has William Lawrence 60 publican b St Marylebone
Hilda 41 wife b Norton Yorks
Gilbert 5 son b London
Reginald 3 son b ditto
Annie Easey 16 servant b Beddlingham Suffolk
Kirby Cross Kirby Le Soken
Sorry for duplicating lizdb
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no worries - we are both just trying to piece it together!
here are the girls births -
Ap/May/JUn 1900
Tendring ref 4a 692
Caroline Lawrence
Oct/Nov/Dec 1896
tendring ref 4a 639
Dorothy MArgaret Lawrence
There is also a Dorothy MArion Lawrence in 1895 which might be her instead!
And interesting to note there is a Hilda Lawrence in 1893 ... might be connected as Hilda isnt that common a name!
Would be worth getting Caolines birth cert (we are sure that is the right one) to get a maiden name for her Mum.
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Thanks for all your replies and for your researching which has been correct. In answer to some of your questions:
1. I have never known Hilda's surname - possibly Rowley but have never found a Hilda Rowley born in Norton or Doncaster around 1864.
2. Yes the two children living with the Easey's were Hilda's daughters. They are all together on the 1911 census but their father William isn't. He is the one I have never been able to find a death certificate for.
3. A member of the Easey family worked in the public house that Hilda and William ran on the 1901 census.
The two girls were obviously cared for by members of her family.
William has no death certtificate between 1901 - 1911 and Hilda says she has been married for 17 years on the 1911 census, so where is William? He left his first wife around 1890 and the pub in West Ham folded.
If I can find something regarding Dora i.e. marriage, William may be mentioned on it as either attending or deceased.
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To Lizdb
You mentioned a Hilda Lawrence in 1893. Where was she, and where did you see her name?
TessieWessie
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That was another birth in the Tendring Reg District. Not necessarily of any significance, there were lots of Lawrence births other than those I gave you, but it just caught my eye as the name Hilda is not that common.
As I said before, to find Hilda (Dora etc's mum) 's maiden name you will need to purchase a birth cert for one of the girls.
That will ensure a little more certainty as you go back.
On the 1911 census does Hilda describe herself as a widow? What age and birthplace does she give then? And you mention a child Sidney, rahter than Gilbert as per 1901 ....
perhaps if you could give us a full transcriptof the 1911 it would help !
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Possible marriage for Dorothy (Dora) -
Ap/May/Jun 1927
Tendring Reg District ref 4a 1768
DOrothy M Lawrence to Frank E WIcks
but do remember there are 2 people aroound of similar age and name (Dorothy Margaret and Dorothy Marion, see the births I found) so this may be the one that isnt yours!
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Ok :)
1911 Census says that Hilda is working as a confectioner (probably runs a sweet shop). She is called Hilda Lawrence born Doncaster, Yorks - age 49
(Marriage date never found. William and his first wife Jane broke up circa 1890; around 1894 he was declared bankrupt). All four children living at home in Kirby - Gilbert 15 born 1896, Reginald 14, born 1897, both born in London (Never found birth entries), Dora Mary 13, born 1898 and Caroline 11,born 1900.
Gilbert is a milkman (not Reginald) Sorry. I mistook the name Gilbert for Sidney, sorry again. :-[
Hilda's marital status is as married. There is no mention of William at all. Their living accommodation is Kirby Cross, Kirby le Soken.
If they were not married when Hilda had her sons she would have put her surname as Lawrence I would have thought, and not her single surname. What do you think? :-\ Jane, Williams first wife died in 1903 in Woodford, Essex. She was living with her daughter Mary and grandaughter Winifred in 1901. :(
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Dora with middle name MARY doesnt help does it? seeing as the choices are Margaret and Marion!
I think the only way forward is to get Carolines birth cert to see Hilda's maiden name.
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probable birth
Dora Mary Lawrence
Dec qu 1898 Tendring 4a 646
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possible marriage
Dora M Lawrence
Walter V D Skrine
Oct qu 1919 Maidenhead Berkshire 2c 1273
Death
Dora M Skrine
Jul qu 1961
7c 23 Bath Somersetshire
age 73
Walter V D Skrine
1966 Jul qu Chippenham Wiltshire 7c 378
age 74
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I have put off sending for the birth certificates because I think she would have used the name Lawrence when registering the childrens births. I think I will have to bite the bullet now though and order either
Gilberts who may have been born in Edmonton (not London) as on freebmd, him being the first child, or Doras.
Thank you for your help. I think you can see what a real puzzle this family have been for me for the past 8 years, and still are!!
Tessiewessie.
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Id order Dora Marys birth certificate, ;)
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Good find Isobel! (Dont know why I missed that!)
Yes, Dora's would be the best to send for - as you are sure that is her.
As for the boys, there is no guarantee they are Lawrences - they may be from a previous marriage, or relationship of Hilda's and thus be registered with either her maiden name, or their fathers surname. Which may explain why one of them changed his name later in life - he might not have chosen to be called Lawrence if that was a step dad's name.
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The son who changed his name from Lawrence to Farrow went on the run from the army in WW1.
His daughter, who I have contact with in Australia, told me that. He changed his name from Reginald Lawrence to William Farrow, which was the name of their neighbours in K-L-S. Reginald copied his father William in that William 'married' a much younger women for a 2nd wife as did Reginald.
It was only the fact that I put my Gt.Grandfather William Showler Cavill Lawrence's name on this site that Reginald's daughter found a link to her English family, which absolutely thrilled her. Giving her this info re Dora will thrill her too. I just must get it authenticated by getting Dora's birth certificate and her marriage certificate too. I have tried to see if she and Walter Skrine had children but it doesn't look like it.
I just wonder how Dora went from K-L-S to Maidenhead which isn't too far from where I live. Perhaps she went into service. I will take a drive out to see where the house is/was that Walter lived in.
Thanks again for all you input. I'll let you know when I get the certificates.
Kind regards
Tessie
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Hello again
Continuing the search for Dora M Lawrence I sent for the marrige cert for a Dora marrying a Walter Krine and it definitely wasn't the Dora I am looking for. The age difference was too great.
The one thing I have learned since last writing is that Gilbert Lawrence, brother of Dora, was killed in WW1 at Flanders/France in 1916. On his military notes he has registered his birth as being in Kirby Cross. Distant relatives in Oz have stated his 2nd name was Ross (Gilbert Ross Lawrence) but unfortunately that is all they know about the Lawrence named family as they are descendents of the Farrow lineage. (Reginald Lawrence, brother of Gilbert, became William Farrow. William married a Gertrude Priest and had 3 sons with her. The grandson of one of these sons now lives in Oz and has Gilberts war medal which was the link to the previous Lawrence family name.
Gilberts young death may have been the reason why his brother Reginald went of the run from the army, and who could blame him.
The one thing that I dont understand re Gilbert was that he enlisted into the army in York. Would that mean that he lived in York? ??? which might indicate that Hilda could have moved back to Yorkshire, her birthplace, after William Showler Cavells death, if he had died. Any ideas??? :-\
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Did you get Dora's birth cert?
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No not yet. That is the next route I am going down. It was a toss up whether to go for a WSC Lawrence's death certificate search or Dora's birth certificate. The reason I was hesitant is that I will only find out Hilda's maiden name from Dora's birth cert., which is fine, but I wont learn any more about WSC Lawrence's death. WSCL is my great grandfather and his first wife was my gt.grandmother, but of course Hilda is the grandmother of the lady in OZ I have contact with.
William Lawrence is a fairly common name and the only way I will find him is if his 2nd and 3rd names are registered on his death certificate. So far no luck, although I have found a WL who died in Paddington in 1908 (the year his name stopped being printed in Rotary lists in Kirby) who was born in 1841 (same as WSCL) and wonder if he could be my WSCL and was perhaps in hospital in Paddington area. I would have thought there were hospitals in Essex area, but of course if he had a serious illness he may have needed to go into London. Who knows?