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General => The Common Room => The Lighter Side => Topic started by: Paul E on Wednesday 04 May 05 13:22 BST (UK)
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Inspired by Arranroots' topic at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,54929.0/topicseen.html
I thought it would be interesting to look up on the 1861 some 'unusual' descriptions of relationship to head of household, of which there are:
15, 262 Cousins
116 Illegitimates (including an 'Illegitimate Daughter of Wife') :)
21 babies (including 5 farm babies)
18348 fathers
58581 mothers
1143 grandfathers
2590 grandmothers
9758 aunts
4085 uncles
77,133 Nephews
48 Neices ???
112, 776 Nieces :)
132, 280 sisters
70, 822 brothers
47 great-grandsons (A genealogist's dream!!!!!!!!!)
4 great-grandaughters
1016 Friends
6 Neighbours
255 Guests
15 strangers :o ???
67 bast*rds :o
10 Love children
142 mistresses (only some of which are the school type!)
Paul :)
PS
I'm sure there are more unusual ones!
:)
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Wow, how interesting.
There are 3 times more mothers than fathers?
If that gets added up the male female split in 1861 was very biased.
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Paul you are a mind of information .. where do you get all these facts ? :o
Don't forget step-sons and step-daughters who make you jump with glee cos you know their mother was married before and have her last married name .... :D
Su
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Personally, I like the 'strangers' best!
"Err ... there IS someone else stopping here at the moment, but I'm not sure who he is"
Paul :)
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37,003 paupers :(
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... and visitors...
I have a grt grt grandad who was visiting, if only he'd said where from ???
Su
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3 paramours! ;)
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...and a partridge in a pear tree ;D
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Only 238,922 visitors, Su! :o
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... and my grt grt grandfather had to be one of them ::)
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Had this one :-
cd of s dau.
What a pity she couldn't be known as a grandchild.
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Paul
What on earth are "farm children" ?? ??? ???
(Is that what some folk call kids ?? ;D ;D )
....and did you search on that term 'specially?
How about:
45, 538 Patients
19, 892 Nurses
Not a bad ratio??
and...
142 mistresses (only some of which are the school type!)
but 6, 512 Masters (OK sailors technically!!)
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I have heard of farm animals - but farm children??????
Matty
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I'm presuming this means 'farmed out' ???
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Paul, I'm overwhelmed. How did you actually DO that??
Ros
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Paul, I'm overwhelmed. How did you actually DO that??
Ros
Steam powered abacus! :)
Actually, if you search on Ancestry against the Head of Household field it will generate the total numbers for you :)
cheers
Paul
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Do you mean you thought up the categories for yourself? ie you specified 'neighbours'? and then counted them?
I've been trying to find missing people by asking, eg, for all Harriets born xx at xx who are 'heads', and for all children who are xx, born xx who are 'lodgers' or 'wards' - with no success for my purposes, I might say.
Just noticed you seem to have missed out 'lodgers'. My heart always sinks when I get one of those.
Anyway, great stuff!
Ros
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Just noticed you seem to have missed out 'lodgers'.
Ros
and Boarders ::) what is the difference do you suppose?
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Hi Ros
I thouight about the possible different categories after reading Arranroots' thread. I'm sure there are hundreds more where the enumerator has made a mistake somewhere or where the subject of the census has misinterpreted the term 'relationship' - its just a matter of guessing what might be out there and having some fun.
The 1881 occupation field is also useful - LOTS of possibilities for fun there, too!
cheers
Paul
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By the way - I've just done a search on JONES in Ancestry and for some unknown reason its not returning ANY for 1861 or 1871! ???
Must have been a glitch - its righted itself now and they're all there. ::)
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But just found 6 Concubines in 1861!
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OK Paul, now you have got me going.
There were
12,523 housekeepers
3956 cooks
457 grooms
87 gardeners
30 gardners
and - astonishingly
968,138 servants!
5% of the total population of England in 1861.
As well there were:
21,090 assistants
479 managers
1 adviser
and not a single consultant!
LIfe must have been good.
Lots of housekeepers and servants, no consultants ...
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Hey Paul, thanks for carrying on the fun!!
I think Pam actually merged us this morning, but we seem to have separated again now>
Did you feel anything?? ;D ;D
BTW there were 23 secretaries in 1861, but only 2 of them were women.
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Don't talk to me about JONES !!!!
I've decided my Jones' and Bowyers must have been Romany Gypsies ...
They are nowhere to be found on 1861 and 1971 ... so must have been parked up in a field somewhere laying concrete roads, putting fences up and poaching from the nearby Fish and Chip shop.
A disgruntled >:(
Su
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Oh go on Su, give us some clues and we'll hunt them down for you!
Like a missing sock, we'll search to the ends of the kitchen until we find them, won;t we Rootschatters? :)
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Ooo! Thanks Paul ... if you can find them, you are a better man than me Gungadin (is that how you spell it?) ...
I've trawled through the 1861/71 Altrincham and Salford census on CD page by page .. spent three hours on Ancestry Tuesday night til my eyes crossed.
On June 1 1874 George Henry Bowyer (b. 1853/4) married Elizabeth Warburton and Elizbabeth Barnett on the same day at the same time in the same church ... (his honeymoon night must have been exhausting) ... after a lot of tooing and froing to the registry, I discovered it was Elizbath Barnett. Esther Warburton was married immediately before them, hence the mix up on the marriage cert. Incidentally, Warburton was carried on as her maiden name on all the children's birth certs.
George Henry's Father was a Robert Bowyer Labourer on the cert. Haven't a clue where from.
On 1881 George Henry (Bricklayer) and Elizabeth and children were living at Paradise Street, Altrincham, Cheshire and it says he was born Altrincham. Elizabeth was born Manchester.
1891 The were living at 1 Islington Street, Altrincham.
1901 The were living at 76 Lloyd Street, Altrincham
I cannot trace Robert Bowyer in 1861/71 with George Henry in tow. There are loads of them in Northwich/Nantwich area, but not mine.
JONES (sigh!)
William Jones (b) 1859, married Elizabeth Birtles on 27th May 1882.
He was a spade labourer, and they were residing at Sandiway Place, Altrincham, Cheshire. His Father was Isaac Jones (date and place of birth unknown) was a Brickmaker.
On 1901 William is said to have been born Salford M/cr.
Again I cannot find Isaac with William in tow 1861/71 Altrincham or Salford.
I rest my case .....
Any assistance would be much appreciated, and if you find them, you will be my friend for ever and ever and ever....
Su
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BTW there are NO Gungadins on the 1861 census...
;D ;D
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BTW there are NO Gungadins on the 1861 census...
LOL, He must be one of mine then ???
Su
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Hi,
I have a co-habitress in my tree.
The head of house is (I think) her step-father.
I therefore think it must be a posh way of saying lodger/boarder and nothing more sinister!
Sue
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You forgot the lunatics and idiots.... they didnt sugar the pill in those days did they? :o Sandra
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I didn't think they HAD the pill in those days , LOL!!
hence the super-sized families - no telly either.
;D ;D
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Ever noticed the many 'WIDOWS' in 'relation to head of household' column?
I just love those. ;D
Tanja