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Hi
I need a bit of help with Emily Turnell b. 1844
I have her marrying Charles Smart Ravenor in 1862. Her father is listed as Edward Turnell, paper hanger. One of the witnesses is Charles Edward Turnell who I believe to be her brother.
I think the father is Edward Baker Turnell who married Sarah Faithorn in 1824.
Sarah appears to be with children in 1841 - no sign of Edward Baker Turnell
Sarah/Sarah Esther b.1827
Jane/Jane Sophee b. 1833
Sophia/Sophee Emily b. 1835
Charles/Charles Edward b. 1837
Emily isnt born til 1844 which made me question if it is the same family, but I also found Emily Turnell as a witness to the marriage of Sophee Emily Turnell and William Alexander Boon in 1859.
My big problem is that I cant find Emily with or without mother Sarah on either the 1851 or 1861 census. In fact I cant find Sarah again until 1871 when she appears with Emily S Ravenor/Rawenor in 1871, as mother. Emily is shown as a widow. I also can find no trace of a death or re-marriage for her.
ec
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Where would all of this have taken place?
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Sorry - all St Pancras/Islington/Camden except Emily/Charles Smart Ravenor is Hackney - Grays Inn Road
Thanks
ec
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Hi
There is a Sarah Turnell buried at St Pancras Cemetery on 2nd January 1894.
Deaths Dec 1893
Turnell Sarah 94 Pancras 1b 94
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
Thankyou, Yes - I think that is possibly her, which makes her all the more elusive! There is a possiblity for her in the 1881, but shown as born Isle of Wight which doesnt tie in with the 1871 entry which says born Battersea. Occupation is the same though - boot binder. No sign of Emily though. I cant find any trace in 1891. The burial record says she was in the workhouse when she died.
This is a really problematic bit of my tree :(
ec
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Have you investigated the Kings (Charles and Jane) who married in 1852, she gave her address as Caledonia Road, could be a clue where they were living in 1841.
I would be suspecting that Edward is still alive at this date, not just because the marriage cert doesn't say "deceased", but because Charles King is also a paper hanger, and perhaps they worked together.
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Hi MaryA
Thanks for that - a possiblity I think - I will try and find Caledonia Road on the 1851.
I did notice the paper hanging was common with Janes father, however I have not been able to track them down either as a couple after their marriage or Charles King previous to marriage in 1851 either!!
I tend to agree that Edward was probably still alive, but where he is is a mystery!
ec
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I have a sneaking suspicion that they were living over the brush in 1851, shortly before they married. ??? ;D
Smith Street, Camden Town. HO107; Piece: 1497; Folio: 547; Page: 61
He's a 24 year old Decorator from Tollington and she's 20 from St Pancras.
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Brilliant MaryA
I think you are right - shame they couldnt be living next door to some parents!!
At least thats one tracked down - thank you
ec
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Tollington
I reckon that's Islington
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I think you are right ShaunJ - thank you
ec
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I think you should consider Tollington - my mother often talked about Upper Tollington Park area - at least keep it in mind until you have investigated further.
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I did note that in later censuses there is a Charles King, paper hanger or decorator born Islington but he has a wife Ann
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Hiya
I'll consider both- Tollington is part of Islington anyway. Not had any luck finding them on later censuses or indeed any of the others. I have drawn a complete blank with Emily - she seems to have beamed down from outer space >:(
This family seem very mysterious - no sign of Edward Baker Turnell death, no sign of Emily until she witnesses sister Sophie marriage, no sign of her death or remarriage..... Her sister Sophie marries William Boon, I cant find a death for her either which is very frustrating. I believe William later takes up with Sarah Bryant nee Ayres, but I cant find a marriage for them either - very frustrating as she was my great great grandmother ::)
Thanks very much for your help
ec