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I'm looking for information on my wife's gt-gt grandfather Richard Baker who was born abt 1852. He married Mary Ann Preddy in Monmouth and later moved to the Bedwellty where the couple had a son William George Baker born abt 1878. I understand that on William's birth certificate his father Richard's occupation was shown as a policeman. Any information on the family would be appreciated.
Many thanks
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Hi
Have you found them on any census?
I see the marriage Richard Baker m=m MaryAnn Preddy 1st qtr 1876 monmouthshire 11a page 57
You don't have the marriage certificate?
then the birth of thier son
William geroge Baker 2nd qtr 1878 Bedwelty vol 11a page 111
I cannot see them on the 1881 census?
Where did you get birth <1852> of Richard?
cheers cardiff ???
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Thanks Cardiff
Richard died in hospital in 1881 and his wife Mary Ann & William moved to the Forest-of-Dean area where I've found them in the 1881 living in the Newland area. In the 1881 census Richard is shown as being in hospital in London where he later died. His occupation in the 1881 census is down as a miner not a policeman as shown on William's birth certificate. I assume that Richard was born about 1852 from the date of his marriage in 1875.
I've been unable to find out anything about Richard before his marriage to Mary Ann Preddy in 1875, how he came to live in the Bedwellty area, or whether or not he was a policeman or a miner- I'll keep on trying.
Thanks again for your help
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Hi
Are there any witnesses on the marriage certificate, what was his occupation and his father's names on this
Margp
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Hi
So according to the 1881 census we are looking for
Richard Baker b 1855 Newland Gloucestershire died 1881 London, Strand, St Clement Danes
Margp
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Hi
Have you considered this? And working backwards ..........................
1901 RG13 4921 8 7 - Civil Parish Newland - Address Lower Redbrook
Mary Baker Head wid 49 Ebbw Vale Mon
William Baker son single 23 Ebbw Vale Mon - Tin plate worker
1881 RG11 5223 97 2 - Civil Parish Newland - Village of Clearwell - Address Slow Lane
George Baker Head mar 53 Clearwell Gloucester - Iron Miner
Sarah wife 51 Clearwell
Alfred son 15 Clearwell - Iron miner
Elton?son 12 Clearwell
Wilson/Milson? son 8 Clearwell
William Baker Grandson 3 Ebbw Vale Mon
+ 1 boarder
finally looking for George and Sarah in 1861 RG9 3980 98 9 - Civil Parish Newland - Hamlet Clearwell - Address Private
George Baker Head mar 35 Bream Gloucester - Stone Cutter
Sarah wife 31 Monmouth
Thomas son 11 Clearwell
George son 8 Clearwell
Richard son 6 Clearwell
Annie Eliza daugh 4 Clearwell
Hubert son 1 Clearwell
Regards
Z :)
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Hi Z
I was just about to post that info :)
cheers cardiff
Ps
The question is why was he in hospital in London? Do you have Richards Death certificate ???
Have you not seen the birth certificate as you say you understand it gives Williams father Richard as a policeman?
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Hi
1871 censsu RG10 5298/112/9
Drybrook House Newland
George Baker b 1827 newland gloucestershire iron miner
Sarah wife b 1830
George b 1853 iron miner
RICHARD b 1855 iron miner
Eliza b 1857
Hubert b 1860
Alfred b 1866
Elton b 1869
All born Newland Gloucestershire
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Hi
1881 census
Kings College Hospital St Clement danes
Ricard Baker married b 1855 Gloucestershire Patient
Miner in (n/def)
what does that mean anyone know?
cheers cardiff ???
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Hi Again
I was just about to post that info :)
Hi Cardiff was on my way out so had to type really quickly ;D
Have just come across this - in 1881 RG11 5223 97 2 George Baker and family are living at the last house in Slow Lane if you continue onto the next street which I think reads Stouk or Slouk Lane you will find ........
Mary Baker Head mar 27 Newent Gloucestershire
Alfred Baker son 1 Ebbw Vale
Not sure if there is a connection but thought it definitely worth a mention.
Regards
Z :)
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Thanks evryone
I have the marriage certificate in 1905 for my wife's grandfather Alfred John Baker who at the time lived in Risca. On the certicate his father is shown as Richard Baker- occupation policeman.
I also have Richard's marriage at Monmouth in March 1976 to Mary Ann Preddy where again he is shown as a policeman, place of residence down as Abergavenny. On his marriage certicate Richard's father is shown as George Baker -a miner. Witnesses Anne Hawkins (whose husband or father James Hawkins was the minister conducting the ceremony) and a William Phillips.
I believe that the family moved to the Ebbw Vale/New Tredegar area where they had a son William George Baker in 1877/8. I don't have a birth certicate for William but I do for a second son Alfred John, my wife's grandfather who was born in November 1879 at 7 Roderick Row, Ebbw Vale. On the certificate his father is Richard Baker -occupation coal miner!! His mother is shown as Mary Ann Braddy -probably misheard due to accent.
It is possible that at some time Richard may have been a policeman but later turned to mining. Is there any way of finding out who served in the local police force at that time? The alternative is that there may have been more than one Richard Baker living in Ebbw Vale/New Tredegar at the time
Thanks for your advice it ius appreciated
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Sorry repeated -pressed the wrong key
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Hi
Here are two more Richard baker's
1871
Rg10 5312/ 75/19
upper llanover blaenavon reg dist Abergavenny
Richard baker visitor b 1829 newland gloucester lab
RG10 5312/7/8
Llanwenarth Ulta reg dist abergaveny
Richard Baker visitor b 1851 Gloucestershire puddler
The fact is the match on william baker b1878 with his grandparent in 1881 George Baker miner
Mary Baker is in Newland also with her other son Alfred b 1880 aged 1yr old on census
and it seems that Richard is in Hospital in London on 1881 census
next to his name is MINER in (n/def) will ask on other topic if anyone can rtell us what that means ???
cheers cardiff ???
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Hi
Just a thought but I wonder if the letters after Miner are undef - Abbreviation for Undefined?
Regards
Z :)
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HI Z
Could well be you are right have put out a request on the common room topics ???
He could have gone to London with something to do with being a policeman and became ill with symptoms of being a miner, if he had worked in the mining industry being coal or iron he could well have lung symptoms. I would like to know what he died of ???
Did forestlea say he had the death certificate?
Of course if they had the death certificate would it not say he was a policeman but he may have died of a miners condition?
cheers cardiff ???
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I think it means 'undefined' as no mineral is specified. This is from the Instructions to the clerks employed in classifying the occupations of the people. All Miners are in Order 21 Sub-order 1 or Sub-Order 3. There is no differentiation between surface and underground.
Stan
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Hi Stanmapstone gave me the info that sorts that out and it looks like you where correct Z
cheers cardiff
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Thanks z, cardiff and stanmapstone for the information on 'miner un/def'. This sounds quite logicalo and would clear up a bit of a mystery. Now I need to find out if Richard was ever a policeman. I couldn't find a record of his death in 1881, but there a possible death of a Richard Baker in Monmouth in 1883 at the age of 28years. If he had been a patient in London during the 1881 census it looks like he may have returned home and died two years later.
I'm sending off to Monmouth for a copy of his death certificate. This will confirm whether or not his death was due to a miner's condition which could partly explain why he was in hospital in London. If not, then the address and name of the person registering the death will be useful.
Thanks again
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Hi
When you get the info keep us in the loop, we all will want to know the outcome.
cheers cardiff :)
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Hi forestlea2739 and Cardiff
Yes - I would also be very interested to know the outcome ;D
All the best to you both.
Regards
Z :)
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THanks to all those who responded on Richard Baker, Bedwellty. In the 1881 census Richard was in hospital in London where he was shown as a miner. He returned to his original place of birth in Clearwell, Forest of Dean following hospital discharge and died there on 8th January 1883. On his death certificate his age is shown as 28years old and his occupation .as a Police Constable. Cause of death is shown as a.pelvic abcess 2 diseased bowel ( I think this may today be diagnosed as bowel cancer).
Thanks again to everyone who responded with info
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Hi
Thank for letting us know the end of the story ;) Even though it is a very sad and painful end to his life :-\
cheers cardiff