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Title: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: princesslisa on Tuesday 13 September 11 20:56 BST (UK)
I am trying to trace my granads family back in wales.
he was born william james maurice morgan in january 1918 at merthyr tydfil,the only other clue i have is that his mothers maiden name was morris.
the strange bit,and why i am finding it very hard to trace his family.
his mother remarried when he was very young (i presume his dad died?!) she married a "kennedy" and they moved to hendon/london where he grew up and worked then left for the army. he was posted in egypt. during his campaign out there his mother and stepfather(whos name he then took on) both died. he married and raised his family here in bournemouth. my grandad died in 1982 when i was a kid so never got to ask any questions.
does anyone read this and remember a morgan marrying a morris and having a son called william (bill) who disappeared? there must be descendents left there somewhere and I would love to be able to tell my dad that he has some cousins or other family members still there.
any info even small would be greatly appreciated,I really have hit a brick wall in finding my grt granny and grt grandad morgan.
lisamarie kennedy-morgan  :)
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 13 September 11 21:03 BST (UK)
welcome to Rootschat!  ;D

do you have any certificates to help trace the family? Birth cert would be a good start

William J M Morgan march qtr 1918 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 1551 mother's maiden name Morris
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: princesslisa on Tuesday 13 September 11 21:11 BST (UK)
yep you got the same as me,if i ordered a paper copy of his birth ertificate would his mum and dads names be on it in full?
I have been on ancestry site for days,like all day,every day! i cant find a morris marrying a morgan in that area that matches at all :(
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 13 September 11 21:37 BST (UK)
yes, you need to buy a copy of the cert. That will give you his mother's first name & any previous surnames & father's name & occupation.

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm

You can order online using the ref 
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Once you have the first names, you'll have something to search to find the first marriage & the remarriage. I'm finding too many Morris/Morgan marriages in the area to be sure & there are far too many Morgan deaths registered Merthyr Tydfil to work out which one could have been his father.
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: princesslisa on Tuesday 13 September 11 21:41 BST (UK)
Thankyou,I wil order a copy of his birth certificate,hope it does have everything one it.
yes you see the problem i had,there was so many morgan/morris weddings at that time :(
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 13 September 11 21:53 BST (UK)
I am having difficulty finding the death reg in 1986

Did he die as a Kennedy?

Did he have any siblings from the kennedy marriage??

Suz
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 13 September 11 22:10 BST (UK)
the death reg is dec qtr 1982
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 13 September 11 22:33 BST (UK)
But it is stated as 1986 in original post????

Hope I'm not due a trip to Specsavers!!!

Suz
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 13 September 11 22:57 BST (UK)
indeed, but it's the only one that seems to match

William James Kennedy born 29/1/1918 dec qtr 1982 Bournemouth vol 23 pg 0070

I'm not finding a likely Kennedy/Morgan marriage either.....

 ::)
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 13 September 11 23:27 BST (UK)
I did find this marriage
Edward F Kennedy
Gwyneth S Morgan
Sept qtr 1930
Newport M
11a 657

but the names don't "fit" with other information

Looks like we will have to wait for lisamarie to come back in line with hopefully more information

Suz
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: princesslisa on Wednesday 14 September 11 07:54 BST (UK)
sorry 1982,i was 5 :(
he lived and died in bournemouth he married my nan ivy albury and had 3 children with her on being my dad stephen..all have the kennedy surname not morgan.
I have a photo copy of his death certifcate an it says dob..29 january merthyr tydfil glaorgan
name and surnam william james kennedy
therwiswe william james maurice morgan

i will order a paper birth certificate and hope it has all  the info about hisparents,who are so elusive they are not even on census records!
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: osprey on Wednesday 14 September 11 20:48 BST (UK)
I'd be surprised if they're not on any census, but without knowing their names, they can't be searched for.

 ???
Title: Re: wiliam morgan,mother was morris..help! merthyr tydfil
Post by: princesslisa on Thursday 15 September 11 10:39 BST (UK)
guess i will have to get a paper copy of his birth certificate,i am seeing my dad this evening so i will ask him if maybe his brother or sister have a copy of it :)