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Title: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: hall and walsh on Friday 16 September 11 17:41 BST (UK)
Hi
I'm looking for a photograph of Joseph Hall and his wife Ellen (nee Bindon). Joseph was a Justice of the Peace in Ennis, County Clare from around 1860 until his death in 1907.  Ellen survived him by 10 years. They lived in a large estate called Clooney, and  I'm assuming that they would have mixed with their wealthy neighbours.  I can't find any photos of them in the Clare library online resources, and apparently photos didn't appear in newspapers until later. I'm hoping that someone may have an idea of where else I might try. They had no children. Joseph's family was in northern Ireland. I don't know much about Ellen's  family except that she had a sister Elizabeth who married a Singleton.
Any suggestions gratefully accepted!
Cathy
Title: Re: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: Pastmagic on Friday 16 September 11 19:22 BST (UK)
You may have this already: Not a photo, I'm afraid, but might lead you to other descendants who have photos:

http://www.landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=2013

http://www.landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1788

http://www.landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=2151

http://www.landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=2478

PM

Ancestry tree for this family:

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/17810353/person/740530157

Some good 1880's photos of Joseph and Ellen's relatives.
Title: Re: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: LH on Saturday 17 September 11 14:10 BST (UK)
Have you seen the article below, which names Burton Bindon as father of the lady who married Joseph Hall:-

http://www.reocities.com/Heartland/Woods/6322/History/cloony.htm

There is at least one Bindon headstone in Kiltenanlea Parish Church graveyard in Clonlara where the Bindons apparently ran a bleach-mill.  This headstone belongs to Charles Massy Bindon (died 1851), infant son of Samuel and Susan Bindon.

Samuel and Susan later emigrated to Australia.


Cheers
Title: Re: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: Pastmagic on Saturday 17 September 11 16:45 BST (UK)
Singleton, John Copley Probate of the Will of John Copley singleton, formerly of 4, Ailesbury Road in the county of Dublin and late of Clooney, Quin in the county of Clare, esquire. Died on or about 7th March 1890 at Clooney. Granted 11th ASpril 1890 at Dublin to Elizabeth Singleton of Clooney, the widow, the relict (during widowhood), the sole executrix. Personal Estate in England £2935.

from:http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/wills/national_probate_calendar.htm

Wonder if he is connected to your Elizabeth Sngleton, given the above. May be coincidence.
If so, there might be a connection to John Singleton Copley, the painter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Singleton_Copley

One of Ellen's ancestors?
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/people/francis_bindon.htm

more about him and his ancestors in Clooney:
http://www.dolmetsch.com/Dolmetsch%20Online%20-%20Brian%20Blood.pdf



The Burton Bindon refered to in previous post  was in Clooney in 1818:
Ennis Chronicle, Wednesday 30 September 1818

A List of the Names and Places of Abode of the several persons who have taken out Certificates for Killing Game agreeable to Act of Parliament between 25 March last and this 25th day of September1818. Certified by John Morony, Distributor of Stamps.

Includes:
Burton Bindon Esq, Clooney

PM





Title: Re: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: hall and walsh on Wednesday 05 October 11 23:57 BST (UK)
Hello again, thanks for your replies.

Burton Bindon was Ellen's father. He travelled to Melbourne with her and at least another Miss Bindon about 1850, they are referred to in the diary of Edward Snell who was on the same ship.

Ellen Bindon's sister Elizabeth married into the Singleton family. Elizabeth was staying  with Ellen and Joseph when the census was taken in 1901.

Ellen and Joseph Hall are fairly well documented on my ancestry tree.

Pastmagic -  I can't find the photos you refer to in this ancestry tree.  Could you give me more details?
Cheers,
Cathy

Ancestry tree for this family:

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/17810353/person/740530157

Some good 1880's photos of Joseph and Ellen's relatives.
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Title: Re: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: Pastmagic on Thursday 06 October 11 00:35 BST (UK)
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/17810353/person/559415953

Can't see what i found before - hope they have not taken them off. Try this one.
Title: Re: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: hall and walsh on Sunday 09 October 11 07:22 BST (UK)
What a fabulous set of photographs! Just beautiful!
I hope one day to find one just like that of Joseph and Ellen Hall, so I will try to follow the trail as you suggest.
Thanks for your advice,
Cathy
Title: Re: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: Pastmagic on Sunday 09 October 11 13:09 BST (UK)
http://www.dolmetsch.com/Bebinfo.htm

Might be worth contacting the owner of this site - about halfway down he gets into the Bindons - again, great photos, though still nosighting of Joseph and wife.

Se also
http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/Surveys/Buildings/BuildingoftheMonth/Archive/Name,904,en.html
Title: Re: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: hall and walsh on Tuesday 11 October 11 11:25 BST (UK)
Thanks, I really appreciate your interest!

The Bindons of the 19th century  are interesting and a bit mysterious - I have not found much info on the generation of Burton Bindon (Ellen"s father) and his (so far anonymous) wife. Burton Bindon was forced to sell Clooney in the encumbered estates, and travelled to Australia with Ellen in 1850. Ellen and her new husband Joseph bought the house back soon after their return to Ireland a year later.

I've not found a contact for Frank Tracy yet, so if you are able to find an address I'd be very grateful.

Cheers,
Cathy
Title: Re: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: Pastmagic on Wednesday 12 October 11 19:29 BST (UK)
Pedigree of Bindon of Clony and Ennis and Rockmount and Waterpark, Co. Clare c.1610 c.1820.

MS_UR_010704

This is in the National library of Ireland.
As is:
National Library Report on Private Collections, No. 353:
Report on the Blood Papers (from 1712), the property of Mr. C. N. Blood, Dargle Rd., Bray, relating to the Bindon, Blood and Greene families, and to property in Ennis and lands in Co. Clare.
Main Author:    Ainsworth, J. F.

And several other manuscripts.
Title: Re: photos of the gentry of county clare 1860-1920?
Post by: hall and walsh on Friday 14 October 11 07:14 BST (UK)
They certainly look interesting.  Next time I go to Dublin I will take the reference with me and look them both up,
Thanks!
Cathy :)