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I am at a real dead end with my Barrett family. I am looking for information on Isaac Barrett, born 1798 place unknown. The only other info I have on him is when he married 23 Oct 1828 in Wheatley River, Queens, PEI, Canada, and his death 22 Aug 1830 which just says PEI Canada. Isaac married Ann Margaret Heartz b.4 Aug 1808, North River, Queens, PEI, Canada. She married Patrick Duffy after the death of her husband. The Island Register has a wonderfully detailed history for Margaret. There is also a nicely detailed history of a Barrett family, which I believe has to be related to mine, but I can't find enough information to prove it. Isaac and Margaret had two children in the short time they were married. Both children born Lot 32, Queens, PEI, Canada. I would be greatful for any help in solving just who this Isaac Barret is.
Thank You in advance
Brenda
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Hi,
The Familysearch site has a database called the Prince Edward Island Death Card Index. Your Isaac is here - image number 647 of 994 in the Abbot - Blanchard alphabetical block. It says that Isaac was 32 when he died, he was from North River. The source of this record is the St. Paul's Anglican Church in Charlottetown. I expect that this is where he is buried.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0f9t/
You can browse through the other Barrett listings too. There is a Charles Barrett in the same cemetery who died in 1828 at age 71.
RK
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Hi again,
Familysearch also has a PEI Baptism Card Index. Benjamin William Barrett was born 16 April 1829 at Lot 32, and baptised 12 April 1830 at St Paul's Church, Charlottetown. His parents were Isaac Barrett and Ann Margaret Heartz. The image is number 4161 of 5521 in the Abbott - Bernard alphabetical block.
There is also a child named Ann Elizabeth, born 1 Sept 1830 and baptised 2 Oct 1830. Image number 4159.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0f9u/
RK
PS - there is also a marriage card index covering 1832-1888.
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Thankyou, I didn't know that. Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I was away on holiday. I will be home on Monday and will check this out. The Ann Elizabeth is my ggg-grandmother.
Brenda
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If you need any assistance let me know. I'm right here on PEI.
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Ok, so I am back on the Barrett Trail. I found all the birth and baptism records and many marriage records on the Public Archives and Records website. I am still however looking for the birth and parents of Isaac Barrett. He was born approximately 1798 possibly in Talland, Cornwall, England. That is all I have on him except his marriage and children. Were there records kept of immigrations that early to PEI? He would have come there between 1798 and 1828 where he marries in Wheatley River, Queens, PEI.
Thanks again.
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Oh, dear, find-a-grave has him listed as a "Lawyer" rather than a "Sawyer"
mainyusa some of the Barrets were also thought to be Irish.....Even if you had him on census, unfortunately they only appear to have available 1841, they didn't have much info other than locale and possesions & no names for other than heads of households/approx ages within a huge span... The areas are numbered so I am not sure which might be in the proper district ( 20 to ?? 62 ??) http://www.gov.pe.ca/archives/census/search.php3
The Barrets in 1841 heads of household are a John lot23, Catherine, Thomas lot 37 & Lawrence Lot 37
John's household of six are all from England, has a female in the household "Upwards of 60". ( over 60) so it is very sad that one cannot know that name of an ancestor
Lawrence's houshold says all natives of the Island
Thomas's says one from Ireland
In 1798 I saw only a Lawrence on lot 37-with 3 males under 16 http://www.islandregister.com/lot37.html
a Wm on lot 26...There is an alphabetical downlad to see if there are more Barrets on the Island
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I found the following for an Isaac Barrett, but to this point have not confirmed that this is my Isaac:
Pallot's Baptism Index for England: 1780 - 1837
about Isaac Barrett Name: Isaac Barrett
Baptism Date: Dec 1799
Parent 1: John Barrett
Parent 2: MaryBarrett
Parish: Talland
County: Cornwall
I also have his death as :
SOURCE: pre-1906 Death Index St. Paul's Anglican Church, Charlottetown
Name: Isaac Barrett
Age: 32
Residence: North River
Date of Death: 22 Aug 1830
I have two children listed to date. They are Ann Elizabeth born 1 Sep 1830 Lot 32, and Benjamin William b. 16 Apr 1829 also Lot 32. Isaac died a month before his daughter Ann was born. His wife, Ann Margaret (Heartz) remarried Patrick Duffey 3 Dec 1835 and had several more children. I would love to be able to prove that the birth listed on Pallot's is my Isaac. I am just not sure how to continue with it.
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I do see the six children baptised for a John and Mary (Greenaway-m.1791), Talland Cornwall...So you've surmised he was from the family of John from Enland. How did you decide which family he may have been from? If this really was your bunch it is sad he hadn't used his middle name Greenaway http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ea5/
Have you checked to see if any of the siblings of that fellow married elsewhere?
adding:
This site appears to have Mary Greenaway Barrett married in Cornwall... however they haven't any siblings or death listed so doesn't rule them out completely http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/e/n/Susan-E-Penter/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0361.html
adding:
an Isaac greenaway Barrett married 1833 London https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKRC-ZYW
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The Church of St. Paul's Anglican has a birth of a son John to a John Barret & Ann Carver Jan 31 1802 Bapt. Aug.8 1802, then a James is born Nov 9 1803 to James Barrett & Ann Carver bapt. Aug 5 1804. Probably a mistake?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-26180-16215-83?cc=1937794&wc=M6PC-M38:238490801,238538101,238538102,238543901
Church of England entries in 1881 has a William Barret & a large family, also a William age 76 in household of ten in total!!!- lot 31 Queens Is this Benjamin? ( added: I guess it may not be as birth date in 1901 is July 17 1822)
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e325/e008113610.jpg
Also CofE: George & Rebecca Barret with daughter Eliza on lot 32 ( Isaac was on lot 32 ) http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e325/e008113645.jpg
Lot 30's Barretts are Calvin Baptist and say Irish origins
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e325/e008113585.jpg
The parish Lot divisions are listed here, Townships 24, 32, 33, and 34 are Charlotte Parish.
http://www.islandregister.com/lakem/1863parish.html#parish
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I'm sure you've noted that the Bible Christian family of Barrets came over from England 1830-1832
One of them was also a Benjamin who was in lot 24 1881 The listing in PEI families has also left out Charles..... http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e325/e008113490.jpg
christenings before 1830, Carlton-Colville, Suffolk for a John Barret & Elizabeth Barret:
- Charles Barret Dec. 12 1812
- William Barret Oct 2 1815
- Sarah Hickleton Barret christ. Feb 10 1819
- Benjamin Nov 10 1821
- Rebecca Barret christ. July 6 1825
- Marianne Barett christ. Feb 4 1828
As you'd said might be related...so am adding Rebecca as she's not been given proper surname in 1901
and it will help others searching for her in that census.
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=59640&size=large&highlight=12
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I am not sure where Isaac was born actually. I got the Tolland, Cornwall from another person also trying to research this family. I found a John Barrett and Elizabeth Heckleton who came to PEI on the ship "Preston" that left Yarmouth on May 4 1832 and arrived in Charlottetown on May 24 1832. This family settled in Wheatley River, which is where my Isaac married. John and Elizabeth would have been the right age to be his parents. James Barrett who married Ann Carver would be the right age to be a brother to Isaac. Now if I could only prove it. I have considered that Isaac may have been born right in PEI. All I have for him is a birth date of 1798, which came from The Island Register. I found his death of 22 Aug 1830 in North River on the register of St. John's Anglican Church, Charlottetown.
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John Barret & Elizabeth Hickleton ( I'll use this spelling as it was daughter Sarah's middle name so right now seems more likely) ....as they were having children around the time & before those of Isaac's, wouldn't he be more of a candidate to be a "brother" of Isaac's. Plus the ship in 1832 has no image to prove they've seen a ship's list. Both Rebecca & Benjamin say they came over 1830... Without seeing an actual list I'd be skeptical if anything wasn't a guess as either way they were young when they came over prior to 1841 census.
I just found a John Barrett christened Aug 17 1788 Carlton-Colville, Suffolk, England
Father James Barrett mother Ann. I am NOT saying this is he, especially as there are other births into the century for a Jame & Ann. Perhaps you can follow him through the census to prove he can "NOT" have moved away.
I also cannot help but wonder if perhaps James ( or John) & Ann Carver might better fit in to this picture as being the parents of Isaac....they were baptising their children at St. Paul's Anglican.
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William "Henry" Barret ( now have his full name) of lot 31 was baptising chilfren in St. John's Anglican
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eab/ ( wife Mary Fitzroy/Frizell?)
William Henry doesn't appear to have been claimed on that site as a descendant so I do not know whose offpring he might be...Sadly he baptised in United church as an adult but did not state parents https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12690-26443-1?cc=1827217
John Barret & Catherine Senter ( or Sentiner) of Lot 49 were baptising aound the same time as Isaac
in St. Paul's https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12740-26625-64?cc=1827217
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12740-26171-57?cc=1827217
but later in the freechurch of Scotland
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12740-26431-56?cc=1827217
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Who might this John Barret belong to, says was born Aug 28 1789, parents James & Ann baptising as an adult? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12690-26453-9?cc=1827217
another Carver, Elizabeth ( Armstrong) ( lot 49) is a mother in St. Paul's church baptism. The name seems not to be prevalent in PEI https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12690-21133-4?cc=1827217
In case the Carvers become rellies
and who is the Charles born c. 1757 buried in the Old Protestant cemetery St Paul's who died just 2 years before Isaac? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPS-75CZ
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....a reason to not believe everything written in the bios and trees, as your ancestor is said to have died P.E.I. * http://www.islandregister.com/jjenkins.html but altho the date is correct, she died Boston Mass. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11739-92250-68?cc=1463156 The death does say Isaac was born England but one never knows what informants know to be certain. Was she there just for her daughter's wedding the following month?
I see they both claim Episcopalian in 1881 ( Lot 34 for those hunting) so CoE, Presby, Anglican, Methodist might all sister with that as they all eventually became United, is that correct? http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e325/e008113711.jpg
*also was Cantharine Conden** JENKINS b. November 10 or Nov 16, 1852 ( the site also says she married a Condon) I love that she was born "7 miles from town")
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12693-43-48?cc=1827217
I imagine it was supposed to have been Catharine Congdon**
Margaret A was baptised as Ann Margaret
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John Barret married Nancy Carver July 6th 1891 so that rules them out unless isaac was born out of wedlock...You can peruse this link further for more early marriages at St.Paul's
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-26180-12388-77?cc=1937794&wc=M6PC-338:238490801,238538101,238538102,238562301
Hmmmm...Have you seen the actual death record in handwriting?
Oddly this has Isaac b. 1778 age 32 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-26176-35332-55?cc=1937794&wc=M6PC-96X:238490801,238538101,238538102,238554401
Does the original say b. 1798 age 32.....or might it say 1778 age 52??? This error in the genealogical notes is something to look into
I see Benjamin William died 1871 ...Did he marry or do you know? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSiman=1&GScid=2307056&GSfn=&GSln=barrett
Other Barret now are posted from the Old Protestant Cemetery
Added:
Names of just the male on headstones only ( :P ) are listed from the Old Protestant cemetry, and there is a James & wife 101 and another James & wife are 262 R.M Barrett & wife are 307, Isaac then the Duffys are 342 & 343
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eap/
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You hadn't posted whether or not you had excluded any families so was looking for clues and when I find stuff I post it as dusty note piles are a pain. Plus for those looking in they can see what I've already looked at. There may be a clue in there somewhere...
I was also looking for names of children for a kickstart, but none stood out as yet, several are reused in both Jenkins and Barrett families.... Isaac is not a well used name, but still no clues there.
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Sad that the bit of info was written years ago without naming the wives & children and now the headstones aren't all legible. This might help someone else so I'll post if I find
So R.M. Barret born circa 1812 - death is recorded in Zion Presb and he's buried St Paul's Old Prot Cem- His wife then is Elizabeth Evans from Annapolis https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12692-20887-19?cc=1827236&wc=MXMS-JZ9:161358401
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In case you have not seen this ...
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=barrett&GSfn=isaac&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GScntry=10&GSob=n&GRid=136426721&df=all&
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=duffy&GSfn=ann&GSmn=margaret&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GScntry=10&GSob=n&GRid=136880677&df=all&
Re: previous message for possible place of birth please read "Talland" instead of Tolland.
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hello Pricilla, :D I had just posted those yesterday, and I believe the Talland Isaac has been properly proven to not be the correct one...
Just for fun.....I have to point out the morphing of the surname Heckleton/Hickleton to Higgleton in later census
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I emailed the archives in PEI, and got the following response:
Public Archives
To
me
Today at 9:19 AM (Dec 2, 2014)
Dear Ms. Hensley,
The death record you identified is from the St. Paul's Anglican Church records (Acc3069/2). Unfortunately, the church record does not include parents' names or the cause of death. I've transcribed the record below:
"Isaac Barrett of the North River, sawyer, died August 22nd, 1830, buried on the 24th, age 32 years. [signed] L. C. Jenkins"
(Acc3069/2, St. Paul's Anglican Church, Burials, 1827-1947)
I also checked our Master Name Index for references to Isaac Barrett and found a few items that might be of interest:
Cemetery transcript
"Isaac Barrett, d. Aug. 22, 1830, Age 32"
(Charlottetown, Cemetery 1, Stone 131, Elm Avenue, St. Paul's Anglican Church)
Barrett, Isaac
m. 23 October 1828 by Rev. L. C. Jenkins
s. Ann Margaret Heartz
d. 22 August 1830
bur. 24 August 1830
Aet. 32
(From Master Name Index; no source given)
Barrett, Isaac, 1798-22 August 1830
m. Ann Margt. Heartz aet. 1828
children: Ann Elizath., b. 1 September 1830 ; Benjamin Wm., b. 16 April 1829
(Charlottetown Manuscript, pg. 19)
I hope this information is helpful. If you would still like a copy of the church death/burial record, please forward your complete mailing address. The cost for microfilm prints is $0.50 per page (plus tax) and there is a minimum mailout fee is $5.00 (plus tax).
Sincerely,
Jannah Toms
Systems Archivist
Public Archives and Records Office of Prince Edward Island
I got his burial place, which I didn't know before. It was very kind for Jannah to look this information up for me. Thank you too for the help I am getting here.
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You may have missed some posts then...as Isaac's burial place has been posted by at least 3 of us ( including the recent link and list of Barretts from an undated transcription while some headstones were still legible.
Old Protestant Burying Ground, St. Paul's Anglican Church, Charlottetown Queens County.
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I had seen those posts, and had that information in my genealogy program. I didn't know the Old Protestant Burying ground and Charlottetown, Cemetery 1, Stone 131, Elm Avenue, St. Paul's Anglican Church were one and the same.
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I believe it ( Old Protestant) was "owned" by St. Paul's Church, I am not sure if it was in the same vicinity exactly...? I know a few churches expanded to other sites for their graveyards...
I'll dig and see what gives in this situation... J.J.
p.s. Charlottetown cemetery doesn't ring a bell on its own...is that how it was worded or read?
adding, I believe it is how you read it...there is a comma, as there is more than one cemetery
(Charlottetown, Cemetery 1, Stone 131, Elm Avenue, St. Paul's Anglican Church)
Perhaps a better wording
Canada, PEI, Queens Co., Lot 33, Charlottetown, Old Protestant Cemetery
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ahhh...altho deeded to St. Paul's it could be used for the burial of ANY Protestant!
Sounds as though it has deteriorated considerably from neglect ...sad... So much history gone for good... http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~canpeigs/index.html
Apparently they are working on upkeep now...They also welcome the names and contacts of descendants...
There is a publication WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE- A History of the Old Protestant Burying Ground
which I doubt would have any more info than you've found...I wonder if the proceeds go to maintenance of the grounds?
J.J.