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Hi all
Sorry if this has already been posted but I see from an article in one of the family history magazines that findmypast is doing a new genealogy tv series that will air 20th Oct on the Yesterday channel (Sky537 & Virgin 203) -
According to the article it will "take three seemingly disconnected people and reveal the lives their ancestors played in historic events." There are 10 episodes. Topics covered included Dunkirk and the Little ships, The Battle of Britiain, Titanic, Jack the Ripper, The Tay Bridge Disaster and The Bounty.
Could be interesting. :)
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Excellent - WHYTYA for ordinary people! Shall look out for that one.
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Thanks for bringing this to our notice. Maybe others may already know of it, maybe it has been mentioned on Rootschat, but this was the first I knew of it.
Have done some 'digging' and the most I can find is:
1. Dunkirk - 20th October
2. Titanic - 27th October
3. Battle of Britain - 3rd. November
4. D Day - 10th November
5. Mutiny on the Bounty - 17th November
the other 5 episodes relate to Jack the Ripper, The Battle of the Somme, The Tay Bridge Disaster, A Victorian Royal Scandal and Emily Davison (suffragette who threw herself under the King's horse) but can't find out the dates each one is shown.
Annette
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Hi everyone,
There's more information about it on the findmypast.co.uk website - http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/find-my-past-tv/about.html
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Great will watch that.
Wasn't there a program about 8 years ago that traced ordinary people and linked them with famous people.
I saw one which linked someone with dick Turpin. It was on Discovery channel. I wrote to the channel and they said they had never made such a program so i got in touch with the genealogist who was on the program because i remember his name when the credits were shown at the end of the program then a few months later i saw his name in a genealogist magazine can't remember if his first name or second name was Adolf but it was one of them and he e-mailed me back and said yes there was such a program. Search me why discovery channel said they did not make it. The name of it escapes me at the moment.
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Search me why discovery channel said they did not make it.
Probably because they didn't and that a tv company made it as that is how Tv works.
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Dennis, I think you may have been referring to Anthony Adolph, if so the program was called "Gene Detectives". 2007
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0968725/
Program makers are at the bottom
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Alanb. When i e-mailed Mr Adolph he confirmed the discovery channel had made the program and he could not understand why they said they had not.
He then joked maybe they thought i was rubbish.
Hi jc2Gred. The program name does not ring a bell. But thanks it was Anthony Adolph.
I only saw one eposode caught it by accident it was about a family who Mr Adolph traced back to see if they were related to Dick Turpin.
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Couldn't find a thread for this so thought I'd remind everyone..It's on Yesterday channel - way down the listings with all the history type channels... and a great channel it is too ;D ;D ;D
It sounds like it might be good. And I like presenter Chris Hollins...
"We're very excited to introduce Find My Past the TV show, a new 10-part series from findmypast.co.uk. The show starts on 20 October 2011 at 9pm on the Yesterday channel: Freeview channel 12, Sky 537, Virgin Media 203. Chris Hollins of BBC Breakfast, Watchdog and winner of Strictly Come Dancing 2009 presents the show.
Each week we help three members of the public to discover how they are related to someone from a significant historical event, by searching the records on findmypast.co.uk. We follow the participants' journeys, before uniting them to reveal how they are linked.
Every Friday morning, read all about the previous night's episode on findmypast.co.uk, including which records were used to chart the participants' family histories."
Milly ;D
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I've always grumbled that WDYTYA is about well-known people, and ordinary people also have some good stories.
This is about ordinary people and I look forward to seeing it.
meles
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Heres the taster for the programme which starts this Thursday hoorah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnaOPPVuwQA&feature=player_embedded
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I cannot find any posts on this but I am sure someone will put me right if there is.
A new family history programme on Yesterday channel, Thursdays at 9pm
All I can say is don't bother!!!
This first programme is about Dunkirk. So much stating the obvious, too many adverts and too much re-capping and re-capping ......and re-capping.
Shame :-\
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What I'd like to know is why they picked 3 random people who had no idea about their family history ::)
How were they chosen?
There must be lots of rootschatters who would have loved to take part and meet 'experts'.
It was quite interesting, but there was some repetition.
Kooky
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I agree, it all felt a little bit desperate. As is so often the case in programmes these days, far too much repetition. Reminded me at times of some of those ghastly training days we had to attend at work, where the mantra was 'Tell them what you're going to tell them, then tell them, and then tell them what you've just told them'. Makes you feel terribly old to see how remote the second world war is to some people today. They might as well have been talking about Waterloo at times!
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I've just seen part of it. I'm not sure what to say about it, because so many people have wanted to see a programme like WDYTYA about ordinary people, but this wasn't what I expected.
Don't want to be negative, so I'd be interested in the thoughts of anyone else who saw it (particularly if they did better than me and stuck with it all the way through)
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I just posted a comment on this thread:
http ://www .rootschat. com/forum/index.php?topic=561429.new Moderator Comment: topics merged
and then saw Winterbloom's entry come up on the home page, so there are two topics. I felt that it was so dumbed down that I didn't even stick it out.
p.s. perhaps that's a bit harsh. It's not the fault of the younger generation that nobody teaches history in school any more, but covering basic facts in bite size chunks over and over and over and over again (quite agree with Winterbloom about the training mantras!) doesn't exactly make for an interesting programme. Still, at least they did assume that everyone had heard of the 2nd World War - I suppose that's something...
p.p.s. getting seriously crabby now... I look forward to the next edition of the Oxford Dictionary. It will only have to be pocket sized since the entire English vocabulary seems to have been reduced to two words, "wow" and "amazing"
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Disappointed in programme and switched off after 15 mins.
Ringrose
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Not just me then!
I've realised there are two threads on this programme - this is the other one:
http ://www .rootschat. com/forum/index.php?topic=561861.msg4143181
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Thanks Maggie, I did do a search but failed to find anything. Maybe someone in the magical rootschatte 'ether' will amalgamate the threads for us ::) ;) post-script... Thanks Berlin-Bob ;)
I must say that the posts are much more interesting than the programme was!
..and thanks to kooky and Winterbloom for replying, glad you feel the same way.
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Fue, excellent idea if some kindly Mod would merge the topics. I think you were spot on in your original 'don't bother' - what a shame
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I recorded the programme and have just watched it and I thought it was good but then I find anything on Dunkirk interesting as my Dad was there.
As for it being random people who new nothing about their family history at least one of them had done some on their family history.
They applied to go on the show as there was advertisements and if you get emails from find my past they were asking for people to apply on there.
They are doing a different topic every week, next weeks is Titanic.
We all ask why WDYTYR does not do ordinary people well this is doing ordinary people. When you think nearly all the stars on WDYTYR know very little or nothing about their family history before they go on the programme so what is the difference??? other than most if not all the stars could afford to get the help themselves where as "ordinary" people can't.
Christine
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The concept of the programme is fine and theoretically should appeal to a number of enthusiasts on Rootschat as it fits the bill as regards "ordinary" people involved in the research.
Unfortunately the execution and presentation of the programme left a lot to be desired and without the padding and repetition the whole thing could have been condensed to 15 minutes of reasonable viewing.
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Isn't this the fault of most programmes now ....the padding and repetition.They must film enough to fill a half hour programme without lenghty introductions and continual repeats throughout programmes.Perhaps they think we have poor memories.
Ringrose
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Couldn't agree more Falkyrn, I was very disappointed with the presentation and wrong presenter!
Best bits were the veterans stories.
I felt the family history connection was only an aside to the social history content.
If you want a better insight to ww2, then the History Channel are rerunning The World at War with great original footage.
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I had been looking forward to this programme, but switched over 20 minutes into it.
Rightly or wrongly I think it was just one big advert for Find my Past :(
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I may have got hold of the wrong end of the stick (always a possibility with me!) but I thought that the stories were going to be traced using the FindMyPast resources??
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Unfortunately the execution and presentation of the programme left a lot to be desired and without the padding and repetition the whole thing could have been condensed to 15 minutes of reasonable viewing.
Hi all
Yes I agree with Falkryn - It's a shame because I love the idea of exploring the social history side of genealogy. But the execution & presentation of this show really left me cold. The real turn off for me I'm afraid was the presenter. I really didn't warm to him. HetalkedsofastthatIcouldnot keepupwithwhathewastryingtotellme - so thank goodness he repeated everything at least twice ;D.
I did think though that the man on the show (grandson of Alf) could have been any ancestor of any of the thousands of men on that beach - and I suspect that his grandpa Alf was no where near either of those cockle boats. I am wondering if he was selected because his grandfather had made that recording for one of the War museums?
I will persevere with the show because I think some of the topics they will be covering are really interesting. Perhaps Chris Hollins will slow down in his narration and stop repeating himself :D
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The concept of the programme is fine and theoretically should appeal to a number of enthusiasts on Rootschat as it fits the bill as regards "ordinary" people involved in the research.
Unfortunately the execution and presentation of the programme left a lot to be desired and without the padding and repetition the whole thing could have been condensed to 15 minutes of reasonable viewing.
I recorded the programme, like virtually all TV I watch, for this reason. I watch by whizzing through until the titles (missing the first lot of "coming up") and so on around each advert break - saves a lot of my time and is less testing of my temper than enduring the repetitions let alone the adverts!
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Totally agree about the amount of padding and the presenter used. I did watch the whole programme because of the history content. I enjoyed that. I wonder if anybody on this site knows someone in the television world who could contact the producer of the series who may like to comment on our thoughts.
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lol! the only bit that went fast was the credits at the end! You would have had to record the program and stop it at the right moments to find the production company and producer ;D
Pretty sure one of the real history presenters would have been cheaper than Chris Hollins, who very obviously knew not a lot about the subject... he should stick to sport on breakfast tv.
They did use FindMyPast to trace back to the grandfathers/ggrandfathers even getting back to 1901 at one point, why miss out 1911? That was the bit they paid Nick Barrett oodles to do a few clicks on a laptop ::) The producers should have got their money's worth and let Nick present all of it, at least we all know he is a bona fida family historian.
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I forgot it was on so didn't even record it, I'll go and set the Sky+ for the next 2 programmes. If the presenter is so bad on this programme - and the fact it was Chris Hollins put me off anyway as I don't like him - then maybe if enough people complain they'll bring in another presenter next time.
Lizzie
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Sorry guys I quite enjoyed it! It didn't have the polish of the BBC's WDTYYA but then you would expect that, they are the BBC after all. It was great to hear stories from ordinary people and I like the idea of the connections between the 3 people involved. Anyone of us could be there, especially for today's story.
It was also interesting to hear the stories of other participants who were actually there, don't suppose they will do this with later episodes such as the Bounty though! Obviously!
Kerry
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WDYTYA is made by Wall to Wall productions NOT the BBC. The BBC buys the rights to air the English version. Wall to Wall also makes the Irish one which RTE airs. I believe Wall to Wall also makes other WW versions of WDYTYA.
Besides, Chris Hollins is a BBC man through and through, perhaps the production company were hoping the Beeb are/were going to air it too depending on its success.
BTW, I don't dislike Chris, its just this kind of program requires a different deaper style of presenting.
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I enjoyed it too, especially the contemporary accounts of the actual day, not so the original footage shown but it was all part of it after all.
I didn't think it was overly padded, and they didn't do that dreadfully irritating thing of going over and over the same bit just in case you were too thick to grasp it the first time.
Just the right mix of information and human interest with the bonus of how all three ordinary people were connected.
No problem with the commentator either - will definitely watch the next one.
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I forgot it was on so didn't even record it, I'll go and set the Sky+ for the next 2 programmes. If the presenter is so bad on this programme - and the fact it was Chris Hollins put me off anyway as I don't like him - then maybe if enough people complain they'll bring in another presenter next time.
Lizzie
Lizzie & anyone else who missed the first showing (or finds the 9pm slot inconvenient) there are/were several repeats after the initial showing including one tomorrow (Saturday 22nd) at 6pm.
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I lasted a couple of minutes before switching off. Chris “look at me “ Hollins was way too in your face.
And if they can’t introduce people correctly what hope is there for the rest of the programme. Ie “This is Peter from St Neots in Hertfordshire”. Wrong, St Neots is in Cambridgeshire.
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I think it would have been better to have three random people who then find themselves connected to one person in the past and that one person would have a very interesting story. The way it was put over, there was nothing to keep the viewers tuned in. Everything was too vague.
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Just settling down to watch this now....I'll be back!
Milly ;D ;D
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I liked the content, and it was very interesting - however, my pet hate spoiled it yet again, sorry ::) ::) The programme should have lasted 30 minutes, but with "b....y" adverts every 10 minutes, each lasting 5 minutes, it was padded out to 60 - I now know why I fall asleep so often ::) :o And as a result of the long intervals of course they had to recap - grrrrrrrrrrrrrh >:( >:(
BumbleB
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I didn't think it was overly padded, and they didn't do that dreadfully irritating thing of going over and over the same bit just in case you were too thick to grasp it the first time.
Err, sorry, but are you sure you were watching the same programme, or did you pop out to make a cup of tea (or some family research, which would have been far more worthwhile) every time they went over things again and again?
mshrmh has the right idea, recording programmes so you do not have to watch endless, endless adverts but for some reason I just get suckered into wanting to watch it live - whatever that means. :-\
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I always record commercial programmes and quite a few of the others too - I can often knock 15 - 20 wasted minutes off a one hour programme.
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On the whole I quite enjoyed it - although it was little simplistic and didn't tell me anything I didn't already know.
I thought the best part of it was talking with the veterans about their own experiences. It made a nice change from just having a presenter or historian telling us the same old thing... And I really liked the sound recording of the grandfather with shots of Dunkirk to illustrate his story.
I didn't like the bit at the end where the presenter interviewed them and asked them to tell each other what they had learnt though. Felt a bit like being in a classroom and feeding back to the class...
Not sure why they bothered with the family tree bit at the beginning. It was like they were supposed to be making a programme using Findmypast - but then changed it half-way through to become something else. They could just have introduced the people and told us they were retracing their grand-father's footsteps and that would have been fine. Tracing via parent's marriage on a computer with a genealogist was a bit irrelevant.
But all in all - considering they probably only had a fraction of the time and money WDYTYA have - I thought they did OK.... I'll give it 6 out of 10.
Milly
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Me too - I nearly always watch programmes I have recorded these days to miss the adverts and recaps. ;D ;D
I wonder what next week's story is? I predict Jamaican immigrants arriving on Windrush for one of the programmes. Plus there will be a first world war story. But hopefully they will have been imaginative enough to come up with some subjects which are not often covered.
Milly
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I think it might have something to do with a spitfire.
FindMyPast is building an online collection of photos of ancestors who were connected in any way to Dunkirk, Battle of Britain and D-Day
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WDYTYA is made by Wall to Wall productions NOT the BBC. The BBC buys the rights to air the English version. Wall to Wall also makes the Irish one which RTE airs. I believe Wall to Wall also makes other WW versions of WDYTYA.
Besides, Chris Hollins is a BBC man through and through, perhaps the production company were hoping the Beeb are/were going to air it too depending on its success.
BTW, I don't dislike Chris, its just this kind of program requires a different deaper style of presenting.
sorry my mistake!
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I agree with most of what's been said - the production was pretty awful, the presenter completely wrong for the subject matter, and the format (especially repeating and recapping every 3 mins like we're all bl***y gold fish) tiresome and irritating.
Having said that, it did have some redeeming qualities - the veterans recollections and the oral testomonies of those involved, for instance. Would love to have seen and heard much more of those.
And yes, I cringed at the "St Neots in Hertfordshire" bit too - seems history isn't the only subject that seems to have fallen by the educational wayside these days!
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I agree with most of what's been said - the production was pretty awful, the presenter completely wrong for the subject matter, and the format (especially repeating and recapping every 3 mins like we're all bl***y gold fish) tiresome and irritating.
Having said that, it did have some redeeming qualities - the veterans recollections and the oral testomonies of those involved, for instance. Would love to have seen and heard much more of those.
And yes, I cringed at the "St Neots in Hertfordshire" bit too - seems history isn't the only subject that seems to have fallen by the educational wayside these days!
I was really looking forward to this programme and was most disappointed :(
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I can only agree with most of what's already been said. It was very disappointing.
I like Chris Hollins but have to agree that he's not really the person for a programme like this was supposed to be.
It seemed to me that they'd decided on a handful of 'historical' events in advance and then tacked the so called genealogy onto it. There was very little to hold the attention with the latter because there was no 'thrill of the hunt' for the ancestors . Apart from an almost gratuitous glimpse of a census page, there was no genealogy that I could see - just shots of a blonde actress called Lulu sailing out of Dover harbour, trying to look wistful.
None of the 3 participants seemed that interested or thrilled. I'm sure they all probably already knew they had ancestors involved in Dunkirk. After all, it wasn't that long ago.
This may well be the riposte to those RCers who always comment on episodes of WDYTYA pleading for them to do 'real' people i.e. it doesn't work!
I might tune in next week if only to make sure that episode 1 wasn't just an aberration. However, I suspect it wasn't!!
What a shame!
Jill
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I am a bit worried they showed the best one first and it may be all downhill from here ::)
Milly
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i havent yet watched the progam but have it sky plussed, however i would say give this a chance after all Dr Nick Barrett is behind it and he also was behind WDYTYA. i saw an article in the paper today abut the next people being related to the jack the ripper case - not him obviously as we don't know who he is but the policeman a victim and a newspaper man the lady on this program said that they only told them little facts at a time so the truth is slowly revealed. i think the idea is to find famous or infamous people / events in history and to bring them to the present day which obviously makes these events seem a lot more real when you have an attachment to them.
i do hope it is good. :)
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Found out about this program on RC, set the recorder and it screwed up.
However just watching the repeat - Saturday 18:00 to 19:00.
Agree with previous posters. Quite dissappointed.
Spark
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This may well be the riposte to those RCers who always comment on episodes of WDYTYA pleading for them to do 'real' people i.e. it doesn't work!
I disagree. I think the format of WDYTYA doesn't demand that a celebrity is the subject. It could be anyone - the celebrity simply ensures a certain level of interest from people who may not otherwise watch. I've watched and enjoyed several episodes were I've never even heard of the celebrity involved, so it may as well have been Joe Bloggs off the street!
Did anyone ever watch that programme where they connected real people to royalty? Parts of that were absolutely fascinating.
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Did anyone ever watch that programme where they connected real people to royalty? Parts of that were absolutely fascinating.
So You Think you are a Royal ?
Great program and I quite enjoyed this apart from Chris Hollins' narration. I have never come across this chap before and find that his voice for me doesn't work on these type of programs. Apart from that the program was facinating, having an ancestor take part in this it was interesting to see more about this. I found the ending somewhat odd as we were lead to believe there was some connection between the three people taking apart other than the obvious subject issue but apart from one possibly towing the other boat there wasn't anything.
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If not then who?
when you consider the BBC coverage of this year's royal wedding was an unmitigated embarrassment, and presumably that was with their top people, it makes me wonder who would have been better?
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i actually liked this program it was interesting to see the peoples reactions as each bit unfolded and that they were taken to the place events took place much the same as WDYTYA yes there was quite a lot of repeating what was already said but i think that is aimed at people who are not amateur genealogists. if they found which boat the chaps grandfather came back to the UK on and if it was one of the ladies ancestors then that would have really tied them altogether nicely.
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I was disappointed with this too. Far too much recapping, the 'bite-size chunk' approach to programming seems to be the order of the day on TV now ~ it's probably to do with a) having to fit it around all those ad breaks and b) the assumption that viewers will get bored if they have to concentrate on one item for more than about 30 seconds! I also thought it was disjointed and confusing but liked the veteran's oral testimonies. I was expecting more specific genealogy too but, like someone has said, this seems to be tacked onto what is essentially a social history series. I'll watch the next episode but I suspect that will be just as irritating ::)
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Did anyone ever watch that programme where they connected real people to royalty? Parts of that were absolutely fascinating.
So You Think you are a Royal ?
That's the one. Couldn't remember what it was called, duh! ::)
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genjan I think you've got it! Reckon they have to do it in small segments that they can include or exclude a few depending how many ads they end up with - so it's the programme that gets stretched or chopped - not the ads ::)
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I liked the content, and it was very interesting - however, my pet hate spoiled it yet again, sorry ::) ::) The programme should have lasted 30 minutes, but with "b....y" adverts every 10 minutes, each lasting 5 minutes, it was padded out to 60 - I now know why I fall asleep so often ::) :o And as a result of the long intervals of course they had to recap - grrrrrrrrrrrrrh >:( >:(
BumbleB
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I thought that the TV program -'Find my past' was the Adverts! as they have ramming them down my lug-holes all my past >:(
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I thought that the TV program -'Find my past' was the Adverts! as they have ramming them down my lug-holes all my past
Brilliant! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well really! it dunny mek sence! do'h it? Amin! Thar nooh-as! Thi aft-i bi dee'd fo this er! Ri'set-ching dee'd folk! Amin Thi ned to bi al'av to find thar O-in past!
E by gum :)
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Well - just watched the 2nd episode - The Sinking of The Titanic - and I have to say it was a lot better than the first. They actually had a proper link between the three people and the stories were told really well.
And I suppose because it was further back in time the genealogy bit at the front was more relevant too...
There were the inevitable recaps in case we forgot what was going on of course...and the presenter was a littel too cheerful at times...
...but other than that quite a good effort ;)
Milly
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I found this episode interesting BUT in some place the awful jangly music jsut about drowned out the dialogue ??? So my plea would be that someone please sack the pianist ;D
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I must admit that I missed some of the second half of this one, because the repetition was driving me mad again, so I drifted off to do something else. So, if there were really good bits, unfortunately, I didn't see them. My overwhelming feeling at the beginning, though, was that they told us too much at the start so my reaction was, Oh, is that it?
This might be very difficult for the prgrammers to do, but it struck me that it would be much better if, instead of introducing everybody all at once, they did it piece by piece so that, for instance, you would meet Bloke A, and learn about his ancestor and find out about him first and what he did in 'the dramatic incident'. Then you could start guessing about what the connection might be when they introduce Woman B, and talk about her ancestor, and so on. Just a thought.
My other thought is that they could chop the whole thing down to half an hour!
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I agree with Milly.
This was much better :)
I have quite an interest in the Titanic. I used to teach children with special needs and one boy was almost obsessed with the Titanic story! I learnt lots 8)
No sign of Nick Barrett this week. :-\
Kooky
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The other thing I am not too keen on is when they make the people read aloud. As they are not experienced it sometimes feels a little embarrassing. They did a mixture this week of the real people reading and also a "professional" reading and it was much more effective when the "professional" did it..
Milly
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As Milly said. It must have been a bit nerve racking to read the accounts out loud, and it also (unsurprisingly) caused them to become emotional which was probably the idea, but uncomfortable to watch.
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I quite enjoyed this programme compared to last week's disappointing start.
It does just show how difficult it is for untrained people to come over well on the TV but this weeks group were both interested and moved by the accounts of their ancestors.
I do agree with the previous posters that the repetition (and the adverts) are just plain tedious
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I didn't mind them getting emotional - it was when they were struggling to read it aloud like in a classroom that I didn't like. It makes it quite hard to follow what they are saying when they stumble and don't manage to put feeling into the reading. Not their fault and I'm sure I couldn't do any better. But you could really see the difference when they had someone more experienced reading one of Nellie's extracts.
And I forgot to mention earlier - I still didn't like the "show and tell" bit with the presenter at the end saying "tell us about what you learnt".
Milly
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Milly - reminds us of our school days, that's the trouble ::)
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Head down, avoid eye contact with teacher...hope for the best. ;D ;D
Milly
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I agree with Milly.
This was much better :)
No sign of Nick Barrett this week. :-\
Kooky
Both of the "historical researchers"* Laura Berry & Amber Strang are from Nick's "stable" of researchers and write for his magazine. I guess he has thrown his hat in with the FindMyPast crowd now and broken away from the "other company". ::)
I agree with most of the comments and I did enjoy this episode far better than last week. Thankfully, Chris has slowed down in his narration style from the last episode. However, I have still not warmed to him as a presenter. Again, the continual recapping after the commercial break!.... I may be getting old but I certainly hadn't forgotten what the story was about in the few short minutes for the adverts!
* Anyone know what the difference is between a genealogist and a historical researcher? ???
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more of a guess, but genealogist deals with family trees and and events directly associated with them, whereas a historical researcher's specialty is all kinds of historical events. ???
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According to Nick Barratt (Your Family History, November 2011 - Best Value in History? page 30) "Furthermore, I have regularly appeared on stage talking about Ancestry products at prevous sessions of WDYTYA Live. Yet I appear on the forthcoming Find My Past television show demonstrating the FindMyPast website to trace interesting ancestors who are related to our contirbutors. I am not employed or contracted by either company, but am happy working with both; I have no axe to grind, and consider myself 'neutral'.
BumbleB
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Thx ff and bb for your clarifications :D
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* Anyone know what the difference is between a genealogist and a historical researcher? ???
Historical researcher is easier to spell??
Cati
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Thankfully, Chris has slowed down in his narration style from the last episode. However, I have still not warmed to him as a presenter. Again, the continual recapping after the commercial break!.... I may be getting old but I certainly hadn't forgotten what the story was about in the few short minutes for the adverts!
I said something similar last week about Chris, he just doesn't have the voice for this narration business.
The recapping is a bit tiresome but it happens a lot now, even shows on the ad free BBC are the same, just look at Heir Hunters as an example of this with the story jumping all over the place.
One other point from me is I don't know if having three people works as I find it hard to concentrate on their story with the constant jumping between the three of them and the three advert breaks.
Having said that I thought this weeks episode was superb and if like me you wondered how these people ended up on the show then the Findmypast blog states that the tv company producing the show contacts them out of the blue.
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a lot of docus are filmed as if we forget things within 20 secs the program makers think we cant follow stories
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Is it part of the can we sell it to America campaign because they have same sort of thing on Extreme Makeover Home Edition and its extremely irritating on there.. >:(
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Well if they are taking nominations for a replacement presenter, Having watched BBC2s Operation Jericho may i suggest Martin Shaw. His melodious voice coupled with an evident enthusiasm for the subject was as much as I could wish for.
sfunny though. I much preferred Lewis Collins in The Professionals mm wonder what he's doing now :-*
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I agree - he was excellent and it was a very interesting programme
Milly
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Re Lewis Collins, sadly, he died of cancer a couple of years ago.
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Are you sure about Lewis Collins? I know it's not always 100% but Wikipedia still seems to think he's alive and in a film about to be released.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Collins
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According to this article from the Daily Mail back in March, he was still alive.....well his agent said he was available for acting work, so I assume......! ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1371368/Lewis-Collins-How-The-Professionals-William-Bodie-looking-age.html
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You're absolutely right. So sorry. I was mixing him up with Gareth Hunt of New Avengers fame, who died in 2007. They do look slightly similar in their publicity photos, I think, hence the mental confusion this end.
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Just been watching this episode of FindMyPast 'Battle of Briton' which was nice to hear the pilots of the time talking about their memories in WW2! :D but as far as the other FindMyPast input between adverts and recaps >:( - puts one in the mood for going to bed- Yawn!
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as far as the other FindMyPast input between adverts and recaps - puts one in the mood for going to bed- Yawn!
Thank god for Sky+ (other similar gadgets are available ;) ) - I can zip through all that nonsense and just watch the interesting bits!
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Just been watching this episode of FindMyPast 'Battle of Briton' which was nice to hear the pilots of the time talking about their memories in WW2! :D but as far as the other FindMyPast input between adverts and recaps >:( - puts one in the mood for going to bed- Yawn!
I agree 100%
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Yes, I also enjoyed the story of the Battle of Britain. But I'm afraid ol' "Gattlin' gun" Hollins was at it again with his narration.
I was interested to see that it was Nick this week reading the historical material rather than the people. It's almost as if the show's producers were psychic and picked up previous comments from this thread last week! :D
Oh those recaps - previous comments still apply!
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With respect to the last Few! and November 11th - I think BBC should have produced this program presented by Sir Bob Geldoff maybe!
No one likes Monday mornings after that Weekend! so maybe the theme song! by the Rats :D for the program.
Well we are all getting Ratty over this issue ;D
Boom town Dobby
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Apart from the obvious re-capping and advert breaks, I think this is a very good series. The research is excellent, and it makes for good viewing. but thank goodness for Sky/ Vplus!
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I love the way Nick Barratt found the young lad's birth on the FindMyPast BMD then managed to quickly trace back through all the ancestor marriages using maiden names and instantly clicked on a ready made family tree ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Really not keen on the family tree bit at the beginning (seems a bit of a waste of time and completely unrealistic) - but I do like the history bits and interviews with experts and veterans.. And I also like the letting the youngsters have a go at plotting and sitting in the spitfire bits.
Milly
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Apart from the poor production and presenter, the thing I find most encouraging from this program is the interaction and encouragement its giving to the young descendants. A hands on approach to modern history with a personal touch is brilliant, you can see them warming to the stories as they unfold. I loved the boy getting really into plotting the aircraft movements, a real eyeopener to the pre-computer age! I feel he came away with deep respect for his great aunt.
I do hope that the youngsters carry on the interest and came away with enough knowledge on how to research on their own.
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Seriously, though, tonight's episode is the third one about WWII - we haven't even been in the 19th century. I just don't think of grandparents and their siblings as "ancestors", even the ones I didn't know. Sky + is the only way to watch it - I got through the Battle of Britain ep in about 35 mins.
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The programme relies quite a lot on archive film so I guess anything from 19th Century would be problematic for them!
Milly
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I agree that the topics are a bit recent for my taste, too. However, when putting together some stuff about my great uncle in WW1 this morning, it struck me quite forcibly that, for the grandsons for whom I am doing this, WW1 is as distant to them as the Crimea is to me, or Waterloo to my mother and father!! Even WW2, for them, is about on a par with what for me would be the Zulu Wars.
So, perhaps they are aiming this as a younger audience, and we should be more understanding at the lack of knowledge of some of the younger participants. :)
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I'd like to be more positive about this programme, but I simply cannot stand that dreadful piano which always seems to rise to a cacophonous crescendo when Nick Barratt is speaking so I don't know for sure whether during last week's Battle of Britain edition, the origin of the information plotted by WAAF plotters was mentioned.
Much of the information received by Fighter Command operations and ALL of that once enemy aircraft had crossed the coast was tracked by the members of the (Royal) Observer Corps who were stationed on rooftops and the like, and expected to spot and identify an aircraft within 3 seconds. If not, perhaps it should have been - maybe instead of one of those endless recaps.
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I found last night's programme about Pegasus Bridge kept my interest far more than earlier programmes did.
Wish they'd turn the backgound music off!
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I think this series may be getting better. I quite enjoyed this week's episode about Captain Bligh and the mutiny on the Bounty. ;D
Although I still don't like the "show and tell" discussion at the end ::)
Milly
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I have to agree with you about the end reveal it could be quite distressing. They could shorten it a bit by getting rid of the constant regurgitating of information already shown too! ;)
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Did anyone see the last episode about the Suffragettes? Quite an interesting story but aside from the usual grievances, I felt the ancestors in this episode had been prompted to ask quite alot of more challenging questions of the expert/historian. The first few programmes the ancestors had little more to offer than "Wow" or words to that effect. I did find last weeks episode & the one this week quite interesting however.
That "What did we learn" bit at the end can be quite uncomfortable to watch especially last week where it was about the WW1 soldier that was shot. It was quite an emotive topic.
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Just finished watching it - and I was quite impressed with the members of the public.. especially the two women. The descendant of the politician was very good and could have been mistaken for a presenter or one of the experts at times
I think this series is definitely improving as it goes on... and especially in the last few series the links they have found between the people have been very close...
Milly
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Have particularly enjoyed the last two episodes about The Bounty and Emily Davison. Still hate all the repetativeness and the presenter etc, but forgot all about those thanks to modern technology!
Agree with Milly, the two women in the Emily Davison one could easily have presented the show - better than Chris Holllins! And it is encouraging to see youngsters involved. I really hate the bit at the end, makes me cringe every time!
Emily Davison is the reason I ALWAYS vote. I remember reading about her at school and seeing that awful footage and, at the tender age of 12 or 13, deciding that because of what happened to her and, what the others were willing to do and sacrifice, I'd never not vote. And I never have - and have taken my kids from an early age to encourage them to do it too. I was appalled a few years ago to learn that my then 28 year old female neighbour had never voted in her life, arguing "What's the point?" I dragged her up there myself and, after explaining to her about their campaign (which she apparently knew virtually nothing about :o) , told her to look Emily and the womens suffrage movement up - she's voted ever since (about ten years or so now).
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It's the final episode of the series tonight.
In this week's episode Edward Coode, Nathalia Cross and Michael Frith uncover surprising information that connects their ancestors to the Mordaunt Divorce Scandal.
I have to admit that I hadn't heard of this before, but now having researched it a little, it makes for a fascinating piece of history. You can check out the trailer here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVjd9...layer_embedded
Enjoy and have a merry Christmas :)
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Am going to have to watch it when I get off night duty. Know nothing either about the divorce scandal.. Mind you nowadays its ancient history isnt it!!!
Dee
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I too was looking for this place yesterday and came upon the chat question.
I have some info on Charles Morgan,his wife and nine children.
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Just seen BBC news - UK -Televisión adverts could get longer and more frequent as review of broadcasting rules by Ofcom. :-\ ??? :(
Just fits in with Ofcom- relaxing rules on Energy prices twice a year.
Just remember Boris's only concern is to surpass Maggie Thatcher's rule ! of ?
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Thanks for reviving this topic I'm going to see if the Suffragette episode of find My past is still available on iPlayer or you tube
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Just seen BBC news - UK -Televisión adverts could get longer and more frequent as review of broadcasting rules by Ofcom. :-\ ??? :(
Just fits in with Ofcom- relaxing rules on Energy prices twice a year.
Just remember Boris's only concern is to surpass Maggie Thatcher's rule ! of ?
It is about time Ofcom put a stop to the adverts on the BBC, they now come between almost every program and are almost as long as ITV's commercial adverts.
Cheers
Guy
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It is about time Ofcom put a stop to the adverts on the BBC, they now come between almost every program and are almost as long as ITV's commercial adverts.
Cheers
Guy
I think the problem is that the BBC are buying in so many programmes from other programme makers who are tailoring them in length to the commercial channels, who want around 45 minutes of actual broadcast material to fit into an hour around the advert breaks and trailers. So the BBC needs to fill the gaps ni order to fit the full hour, hence the trailers, adverts for TV Licence etc. More and more programmes broadcast on the BBC have that irritating recap a couple of times during the programme as if the viewer has forgotton was they watched five minute ago. Even Monty Don on Gardeners World says "Coming up......" half way through the programme and gives short snippets of what is to follow, just in case you forgot what was announced just after the opening titles (also with short snippets of what would be shown later).
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I think the problem is that the BBC are buying in so many programmes from other programme makers who are tailoring them in length to the commercial channels, who want around 45 minutes of actual broadcast material to fit into an hour around the advert breaks and trailers. So the BBC needs to fill the gaps ni order to fit the full hour, hence the trailers, adverts for TV Licence etc. More and more programmes broadcast on the BBC have that irritating recap a couple of times during the programme as if the viewer has forgotton was they watched five minute ago. Even Monty Don on Gardeners World says "Coming up......" half way through the programme and gives short snippets of what is to follow, just in case you forgot what was announced just after the opening titles (also with short snippets of what would be shown later).
Really annoying, but I always record most programmes and whizz through the ads whether on ITV or BBC. What has been annoying are the BBC ads for itself during Wimbledon when the players are having the small break before changing ends. That's nothing to do with buying in programmes ready made, it's just self-serving nonsense. I agree with Guy Etchells, Ofcom should put a stop to these silly adverts.
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I agree ads during Wimbledon can't be explained by filling in between short programmes - don't watch Wimbledon and rarely any other sport, but when I have seen what is a natural break in play, it is usually filled with a commentator giving some sort of post mortem on the previous session's play. The BBC advertising itself seems pointless. The viewer knows the BBC exists, because they are obviously watching the channel.
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I thought the breaks between games at Wimbledon was filled with Sue Barker telling us the coverage of this game will continue on a different channel and we'd need to retune (AGAIN!) ::)
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I thought the breaks between games at Wimbledon was filled with Sue Barker telling us the coverage of this game will continue on a different channel and we'd need to retune (AGAIN!) ::)
Looking at the TV listings for this week and next, Wimbledon seems to be broadcast all day simultaneously on both BBC1 and BBC2. Why not use BBC3 now that's come back to freeview
And for the gardeners among you, next week's Gardener's World has moved from Friday evening to Thursday evening. It seems to be dedicated to the Hampton Court flower show, which in previous years (apart from 2020 obviously) had three dedicated programmes for this week long garden show, (two and a half to three hours of broadcasting). They could have cut down Chelsea a bit (it seemed to have two extra hours this year) and given us at least an hour more Hampton Court.
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I thought the breaks between games at Wimbledon was filled with Sue Barker telling us the coverage of this game will continue on a different channel and we'd need to retune (AGAIN!) ::)
Looking at the TV listings for this week and next, Wimbledon seems to be broadcast all day simultaneously on both BBC1 and BBC2. Why not use BBC3 now that's come back to freeview
It's not the amount of coverage, it's the movement between channels. yesterday, for example, Jack Draper's game changed five times between BBC1, BBC2 and the Red Button.
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It is about time the BBC put all sport including Tennis on BBC 3 and left BBC1 & BBC 2 for the normal programs. That was the reason behind expanding the BBC in the first place.
Cheers
Guy
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It is about time the BBC put all sport including Tennis on BBC 3 and left BBC1 & BBC 2 for the normal programs. That was the reason behind expanding the BBC in the first place.
Cheers
Guy
As I said in reply #113
I thought the breaks between games at Wimbledon was filled with Sue Barker telling us the coverage of this game will continue on a different channel and we'd need to retune (AGAIN!) ::)
Looking at the TV listings for this week and next, Wimbledon seems to be broadcast all day simultaneously on both BBC1 and BBC2. Why not use BBC3 now that's come back to freeview
And for the gardeners among you, next week's Gardener's World has moved from Friday evening to Thursday evening. It seems to be dedicated to the Hampton Court flower show, which in previous years (apart from 2020 obviously) had three dedicated programmes for this week long garden show, (two and a half to three hours of broadcasting). They could have cut down Chelsea a bit (it seemed to have two extra hours this year) and given us at least an hour more Hampton Court.
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Lizzie L
No need to worry
BBC Experts have decided to Cancel in future Gardners World
No more Monty.
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Lizzie L
No need to worry
BBC Experts have decided to Cancel in future Gardners World
No more Monty.
You cannot be serious !! No more Monty !
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It is about time the BBC put all sport including Tennis on BBC 3...
Fair enough, perhaps, if you're thinking of the evenings, but BBC3 doesn't actually exist during the daytime as it has a "timeshare" arrangement, with the same capacity being used in the evenings by BBC3 and during the day by CBBC. (There's a similar arrangement between BBC4 and CBeebies.) You might not like having your favourite channel taken over by sport, but it would be far less acceptable to suspend children's programming in order to accommodate it.
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Or the could just put it on one channel or better still ban all sport from BBC forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
Guy
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Or the could just put it on one channel or better still ban all sport from BBC forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
Guy
Quite agree ;D ;D
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Re Gardeners World - I can't see anything to support the claim that it is being cancelled?
It wouldn't worry me much if it was, as I stopped watching a while ago, having decided there was nothing in it of interest to me.
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Re Gardeners World - I can't see anything to support the claim that it is being cancelled?
It wouldn't worry me much if it was, as I stopped watching a while ago, having decided there was nothing in it of interest to me.
I think the horticultural aspect has been dumbed down over the years, and of course the seasonal jobs repeat every year. But I do like the short pieces done by people like Carol Kline, Advolly Richmond, Nick Bailey etc on specific genera, famous gardens and garden history.