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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Carlow => Topic started by: toekneebee on Wednesday 23 November 11 09:03 GMT (UK)
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Wonder if anyone can help me please? I am trying to find the marriage details of James Connor b1879 Carlow. I know he married an Eleanor Sophia (maiden name not yet known).
Many thanks
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Do you know roughly when and were the marriage might have taken place ?
Have you found James and Eleanor on the 1901 and 1911 census returns ?
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Hi Shane
Found them in the 1901 Census, no clues about date of marriage unfortunately.
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where are they in 1901 ?
The 1911 return would give the number of years married which helps narrow down the search.
where were their children born ?
Shane
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Shane
Sorry I should have said I have them on the 1911 census NOT 1901 ....senior moment!!
In the 1911 census they are living at 26 Montgomery St Carlow, they had three children:-
Eleanor Elizabeth Roche Connor b1907 Carlow
Eileen Bertha Connor b1909 Carlow
Rhona Parker Connor no dob shown on census form b Carlow.
I am over the water from you in Lancashire and may not have access to some of your Irish Data bases for marriage records.
Many thanks
Tony
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The BMD Index is free on the FamilySearch website - see the introduction topic above.
1911 census link for reference : Connor household (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Carlow_Urban/Montgomery_Street/912551/)
James and Eleanor married 5 years - so c1906, all the family born 'Carlow', which suggests possibly the town rather than county.
Rhona's age appears to be 10 months.
Shane
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Shane
sorry I forgot to mention there was no mention of number of years marriage on the copy of the census document I used.
Tony
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You have to select the 'Show all information' option to see the full details. It's also a good idea to view the actual form to verify the details - see the section below labelled 'View census images / Household Return (Form A)'
Shane
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The best match I've found so far is for the birth of the oldest child. Luckily quite a distinctive name :
Name: Eleonore Elizabeth Roche Connor
Registration district: Carlow
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1907
Volume: 3 / Page: 314
A cert would give more details - such as date and place of birth, father's occupation, mother full name etc.
see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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This look like it could be the family of James on the 1901 return. No sign of him, but his brother Abner E. is listed with the right age and denomination. This return states he was born in Queen's County (Laois). Parts of Carlow town are in Co. Laois
Connor household - Co. Cork (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Fermoy_Rural/Ratheally__Part_of_Rural__/1144201/)
Shane
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here's James in 1901 - boarding in Carlow town
Douglas / Askins / Connor household - 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Carlow/Barrin_Street/1040623/)
Shane
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Shane
Thanks, I have checked my research and this is definately the right family. Looks like I shall have to invest in the purchase of a certificate from the GRO to get at Sophia's maiden name!
Many thanks for your help.
Tony
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I'm not seeing any good matches for the marriage of James and Eleanor at the moment .. also haven't found any sign of her on 1901 return...
Knowing her maiden name should make the marriage search easier
Shane
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Marriage match of a James Connor & Eleanor Sophia Proudman in Abbeyleix July Sept 1905, Volume 3 Page No251, hope this is of some help.
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Brilliant.....Thanks ever so much for your help
Tony :)
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Brilliant.....Thanks ever so much for your help
Tony :)
No problem but just make sure its the right one
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This looks like the marriage of James Connor's parents !
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/13f7070023444
I have never heard the name Abner before but saw this with the name in Carlow in 1803 !!
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/ce7b340006717
Also never heard the name Proudman before but just saw that it's an anglicised version of Dempsey !
Tara
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Hi,
I have more info................
This is Eleanor Sophia Proudman in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Kingstown/George_s_Street__Lower_/1318973/
Eleanor Sophia Proudman's parents were William Proudman and Jane Elizabeth Graham
This is their marriage
Name: William J Prowdman
Registration District: Baltinglass
Event Type: Marriage
Quarter and Year: 1874
Volume : 17 /Page : 405
This is her birth
Name: Eleanor Proudman
Registration District: Donaghmore
Event Type: Birth
Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1883
Volume: 3 / Page: 369
Unfortunatly it looks as though her father passed away at about the same time that she was born RIP
name: William Jonn Proudman
registration district: Donaghmore
event type: Death
quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1883
age: 41 (estimated birth year: 1842 )
volume: 3 / Page : 435
this link will show you lost more of her family !!
https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Aproudman~%20%2Bany_place%3Alaois~
Jane Elizabeth Graham got remarried to an Isaac Wilde - This is them in 1901 (one of Eleanor's brothers is in the house too !)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Rathdowney/Moor_Street/1644028/
this is her again in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Rathdowney/Chapel_Street/785427/
I think the Mrs. Wilde mentioned in this article is her !
http://www.turtlebunbury.com/interviews/interviews_ireland/interviews_ireland_statia_kealy.html
This is Eleanors brother John in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Dangans__Mountmellick_Town/Henry_Street/1650571/
This is the same brother in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Maryborough_Urban/Borris__Little__Part_of_Borris_Road_/791991/
This is a sister of Eleanor's in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban/Main_Street_North/1806313/
This I'm sure is Eleanor's grandfather John in 1911 (ie William's father)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Portarlington_South/French_Church_Street/790223/
It looks as though James Connor died young as I have found Eleanor Sophia Proudman Connor getting married in Michigan USA in 1923
This is the marriage
Eleanor S. Proudman Connor
Michigan Marriages, 1868-1925
birth: 1886 Ireland
marriage: 13 Nov 1923 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
parents: Wm, Bessie Graham
spouse: Henry Mitchell
groom's name: Henry Mitchell / age: 37 years (1886)
groom's birthplace: Ireland
bride's name: Eleanor S. Proudman Connor / age 37 (1886)
bride's birthplace: Ireland
marriage date: 13 Nov 1923
marriage place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
groom's parents: Henry / Mary A. Proctor
bride's parents: Wm / Bessie Graham
I hope this is of some use to you !!!
Tara
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Ha I'm on a roll and have found more !!
Jane Elizabeth Graham was actually born in Dublin !
Here is her baptism
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/234a390202943
Here is her parents marriage (You can now see where her children's middle names of Whitfield and Park came from)
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/28ed4e0572346
Baptism of her brother
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/0dfa5d0202415
Tara
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Wow Tara....thank you ever so much for this info....gone into overload. :) I am researching this line for a family member in Canada and really struggled with access and info on the Irish BMD records. I need to put things into order and on her tree. I reckon you may have given me at least another three generations here.
BIG THANK YOU.
Tony
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Tara This is all good information as my relative now residing in Florida, lived in Michigan before she moved and grew up there. Thanks to all who contributed.
Tony
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Glad to be able to help !
Tara