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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: dinny on Thursday 24 November 11 20:36 GMT (UK)
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Thomas Woods b. c. 1853 Co Derry m. Maria Bolton b. c. 1858 Co Derry.
Does anyone know of this Thomas Woods, where in Co Derry he was born and who were his parents please. Thanks - Dinny.
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Thomas Woods born c1855 Tamlaght, near Kilrea, died Christchurch, New Zealand. He married 1878 Co.Derry to Mariah Bolton (daughter of Sloan Bolton & Mary Anne McIlwraith). Known children: John Dempsey (born 28 Apr.1879 Coolnaman), Bernard, Sloan Boltob (born 9 Sept.1880), Annie Mary (16 Nov.1882?), Samuel James (1883), Robert, Thomas, Matilda "Tilly", Jemima "Mima".
Thomas Woods' marriage certificate should list his father's name and occupation.
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Hi, For the marriage of Thomas woods = Maria Bolton 1878, Thomas fathers name was John
Below is a link to the baptismal register of Moneydig Presbyterian Church where 4 births are recorded for the couple (Matching birth records above I think) The Coolnaman referred to is the Townland (Culnaman)where the family was living its in the Parish of Desertoghill I think
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/bannvalley/moneydig/1857-1894-bapts.html
Regards
Joe
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Coolnaman and Culnaman are different versions of the same townland- Cullyman is another.
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Here's the family in Coolhill townland (Kilrea parish - but literally across a field from Culnaman) in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000610079/
and 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002811556/
and here's the lane up to house (now in ruins) on Streetview (my grandfather lived there as a child)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0hkw/
PM me and I'll email you a photo of the old house.
The Woods family living next door in 1901 are still there but are apparently unrelated to your ancestors.
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Hi Joe - Thanks for your reply. I will get back to you. I tried to send you a message but it just disappeared. Bear with me please. Regards - Dinny
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Hi Agahadowey,
On 24 Nov 2011 you replied to a query of mine under the above heading - thanks. I now have the complete family names which I pass on to share with others.
Thomas and Maria (Bolton) Woods had 11 (eleven) children all of whom came to New Zealand as a family. Those children are - Jack, Sloan, Bob, Bill, Dave, Sam, Tom, Jean, Annie Mary, Tillie and Mima. All these children were born in Co Derry. Bernard is not a child of this family.
Annie Mary was married to William Torrens (a Derryman) who passed away after they arrived in NZ. Annie subsequently married John Churchill Crockett from Tamlaght O’Crilly. Some of her siblings married in NZ into families from the same area who came out about the same time.
Thanks again. Regards. Dinny.
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I saw a good while ago somewhere online that Bernard was an error- although lots of family trees do list him as part of this family. Since this post was started the GRONI indexes have become available online so here's a list of the children-
1. John Dempsey (Jack) 28 Apr.1879 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBQG-CPB
2. Sloan Bolton 9 Sept.1880 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FB7P-S4S
3. Annie Mary 16 Nov.1882 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FB43-YZK
4. Elizabeth Jane (Jeannie) 24 Aug.1884 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBH4-K35
5. daughter 21 Oct.1886 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBCB-CYW
possible death? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTWR-CZD
6. Robert William (Bob) 12 Nov.1887 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBZV-2Z6
7. Matilda (Tillie) 2 Jan.1890 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBD3-XPK
8. David Smyth (Dave) 5 Mar.1892 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FB6F-2M6
9. Samuel James (Sam) 7 Aug.1894 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBXY-931
10. Jemima (Mima) 24 July 1896 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBNQ-C57
11. Thomas M'Auley (Tom) 26 Sept.1900 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBV2-2MW
Robert's middle name was William and there's no William in the birth registrations.
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Hi, I'm the great grandson of Sloan (1880). I was wondering if you had any more info on Thomas' parents or further back. I think I read that his grandfather was James but I don't have any dates or other info and I was wondering if you could help.
Thanks
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Hi P - Thanks for your message. I am the granddaughter of John, brother to Sloan. I remember Uncle Sloan well. You have not told me your great grandmother's name. Do you want to send me a personal message with your email details? Regards - Dinny.
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Hi Derry
My great grandmother was Jessie (brew?) and my grandparents where your cousins Sloan and Hazel.
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I'll send you my email now
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There are several marriages between this Woods family and my Torrens ancestors and related families; especially my great great grandfather's David Torrens of Culnaman, whose second marriage to Annie Woods from Coolhill produced a second family who are in the 1901 census
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Hello Linde - Thanks for your reply. Ditto my answer to your other query lodged in regard to my family today. Look forward to hearing from you. Regards - Dinny.
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Linde - thanks for your message. Annie Woods was married to William Kennedy Torrens - I have not heard of David. He was known here as Willy or Wiley Torrens. Regards - Dinny.
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I think there must be two Annie Woods who married Torrens. The one who married my great great grandfather was with him in Culnaman in 1901 when he was aged 86 and she was twenty years younger. Their son was born 1853
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David Torrens (c1817-1909), son of James Wilson Torrens & Margaret Dunlop, m.2 (12 Dec.1876 at 2nd Kilraughts Presbyterian Church) Ann Woods.
William Kennedy Torrens (1875-1915), son of James "Peat Jimmy" Torrens & Jane Woods, m.(22 July 1904 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church) Annie Mary Woods of Coolhill.
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Thanks Agadowey. I know of "Peat Jimmie's" connection.
The other messager had a person with the same name connected, who she felt was one of my family, which we had discussed privately. The messager is correct, there are/were heaps of ladies of the same name and confusion is understandable. My relative was not the lady of her quest.
Our exchange on the forum may help others.
I appreciate your message and your time. Regards - Dinny.
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Our exchange on the forum may help others.
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Yes, when information is exchanged by PM then others don't know all the details :-\
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Re: Thomas WOODS Kilrea Co Derry - 1901 census
Hi Aghadowey – An amendment to info supplied by yourself on Sun 15 April 2015.
Thomas McAuley Woods – this man is not a son of Thomas and Maria Woods. Their son, Thomas Bolton Woods was born on 15 August 1900.
It is possible that Thomas McAuley Woods may have been a son of one of Thomas Woods sr.’s brothers. He may have immigrated to Australia.
Regards – Dinny.
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Re: Thomas WOODS Kilrea Co Derry - 1901 census
Hi Aghadowey – An amendment to info supplied by yourself on Sun 15 April 2015.
Thomas McAuley Woods – this man is not a son of Thomas and Maria Woods. Their son, Thomas Bolton Woods was born on 15 August 1900.
It is possible that Thomas McAuley Woods may have been a son of one of Thomas Woods sr.’s brothers. He may have immigrated to Australia.
Regards – Dinny.
Not sure where you got that from but birth certificate of Thomas McAuley Woods born 26 Dec.1900 Gortin Coolhill shows his parents as Thomas Bolton & Maria Woods-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01978/1762147.pdf
See later reply
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Thank you for your message, Aghadowey - Thomas Bolton Woods birth details supplied by myself - his father was Thomas Woods (not Thomas Bolton) and his mother’s maiden name was Maria Bolton (not Maria Woods). Thomas Bolton Woods was my great uncle, brother to my grandfather and I knew Thomas well. His NZ records of marriage and death are correct as recorded Thomas Bolton Woods. Gortin, Coolhill is probably correct as this is where some of his siblings were born. Who says Irish registrations are correct? Gortin, Coolhill was then in Aghadowey. Regards - Dinny.
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Hello again, Aghadowey - This could be the cause of confusion:
Thomas McAuley Bolton b. 1866 – d. 1949 – brother of Maria (nee Bolton) Woods, my g/grandmother.
This Thomas went to Australia and became a
Sheep farmer in Australia. Lived (at) "Come By Chance", Wallgett, New South Wales
Regards - Dinny.
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Sorry for the error (jet lag :-\ ) should have read-
Not sure where you got that from but birth certificate of Thomas McAuley Woods born 26 Dec.1900 Gortin Coolhill shows his parents as Thomas Woods & Maria Bolton-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01978/1762147.pdf
See later reply
If the name and birthdate are taken from N.Z. records then it could be that he later used Bolton as a middle name and the birthdate you have is incorrect.
Gortin Coolhill is still in Aghadowey Parish.
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Hi Agahadowey - No on both counts - the change of name and birth and death dates. Regards - thanks - Dinny.
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Well, I'm totally confused :-\
Have you found a birth certificate and/or baptism record for a Thomas Bolton Woods born 15 Aug.1900 to Thomas Woods & Maria Bolton?
Have you looked at the birth registration I posted a link to?
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I am too.
The link you showed Aghadowey was for a Thomas McAuley Woods born to Thomas Woods and Maria Woods formerly Bolton. On the link the birth is 26 September 1900. The date of 15 August is mentioned in a post. Where has this date come from? I always understood that a birth certificate showed what the family had decided to call the child. Although there are many stories about this including fathers forgetting or not knowing the correct spelling and birth being registered late and so have a birthdate that fitted in with the time frame for registration but not with the date of the actual birth.
Whether or not these names were continued over time was a matter of luck, chance, consistency etc compounded in those days by immigration, poorer access to education and accents on immigration.
My Grandmother was sure that her middle name was Buchan or some times Buchanan. Later looking at her christening entry COI Ballykelly it seems to have been recorded there as Banigan, Bannigan while her cousin 5 years older had this B name recorded as Bamingham and older ones as Birmingham and Bermingham. So my grandmother has her NZ death certificate with Buchan on it. Her COI christening entry has Bannigan. But she is one and the same person.
Dinny unless there were several Woods born on that date in 1900 then it is quite possible and highly probable that Thomas McAuley Woods is Thomas Bolton Woods. Often this may have come about if say the mother had died early or the family had named the McAuley after a then family friend who over the passage of time was no longer such a close family friend. You may be able to find when your Thomas started using the Bolton by looking at his marriage certificate, children's birth records etc .
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Glad someone could see that Thomas McAuley Woods was son of Thomas Woods and Maria Bolton ;)
It's not uncommon to find a person using different versions of the same name used over the years. The middle name on my original birth certificate & baptismal record is not the one I have now and both my grandfathers changed their middle names in their teens.
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for Shanreagh & Aghadowey
Try these.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dDeathSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dMarriageSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults
Regards - Dinny.
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Yet again, Thomas McAuley Woods was the son of Thomas Woods and Maria Bolton. The middle name he used in later life does not alter his birth or baptism records.
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for Shanreagh & Aghadowey
Try these.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dDeathSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dMarriageSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults
Regards - Dinny.
Hi Dinny these are links to NZ search engines (not the actual records themselves) and being NZ records they will not have Irish birth or baptismal details.
Quite common to find that middle names alter over time. Where have you obtained the birth records that show his name?
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Hi all. I have just got onto this website. Thomas Woods was my great grandfather. Robert William Woods was my grandfather, Thomas Sloan Woods was my father, and Thomas Bolton Woods was my great uncle (along with the rest of the brothers). I have been working on a family tree and am particularly keen to go back earlier than Thomas Woods (GG). I am also aware of a family connection to the Torrens family (I remember them as a child in either Torrens Road or Wrights Road, Ch-Ch).
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Hi all. I have just got onto this website. Thomas Woods was my great grandfather. Robert William Woods was my grandfather, Thomas Sloan Woods was my father, and Thomas Bolton Woods was my great uncle (along with the rest of the brothers). I have been working on a family tree and am particularly keen to go back earlier than Thomas Woods (GG). I am also aware of a family connection to the Torrens family (I remember them as a child in either Torrens Road or Wrights Road, Ch-Ch).
Welcome to Rootschat. If you start at page 1 of this thread and read through you'll see that Thomas Woods (your great-grandfather) was born c1855 Tamlaght near Kilrea and his father's name was John.
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Thanks aghadowey! I have already got a good bit of info from reading through these posts.
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Hi aghadowey. Is there any info on John Woods? Can you suggest a good place to seach for this earlier iformation?
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shanreagh
Thanks for your messaging.
NZ BDM - 1928/877
Thomas Bolton Woods married Nancy Scott. These 2 persons were my uncle and aunt.
Thomas Bolton Woods, son of Maria nee Bolton and Thomas Woods. Maria Bolton/Woods was alive at the time of Tom’s marriage to Nancy in 1928. .
Maria Bolton Woods died in 1947 at the age of 95 years: NZ BDM 1947/24465 Woods Maria 95 years. Maria did not change Tom’s name.
This tends to disagree with your argument re. names being changed after the mother has died.
Regards - Dinny.
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Hi,
Not sure what this is all about. If you are happy that is fine.
Aghadowey and I were just trying to point out that it is best to keep an open mind on names and middle names in particular. This is especially important in emigration matters and where non literate people were explaining the names to clergy etc who some times put the version they were used to. These often change over time and we set out some circumstances from our own families.
I am pretty sure I did not say anybody had changed some thing.....just that usage sometimes changes over time.
Looking on the bright side you have another relative to explore possibly born in the year as your one and that his parents had very similar names to your relation. Might be worth following that up?
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Hi Shanreaagh - go back over your posts where you have addressed me.
None of my Woods family from Co Derry were illiterate - nor any descendants. They did well in Ireland and certainly did well here.
I notice another relative has also asserted on the site that Thomas Bolton Woods is the correct name of our uncle born August 1900.
Regards - Dinny.
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My point was to mention that names can change. Often brushes with officialdom caused the changes as officials made the records of what they heard.....The examples I used were examples to illustrate what may have happened..... an early middle names may have gone out of favour, a child in later life may have wanted to remember a mother's family names etc etc. I was not saying that these instances definitely applied to you.
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I am assuming that you did read the extract from the register
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01978/1762147.pdf
If you did not this was the Register copy ie an official copy of a series of births from Kilrea district in Coleraine. Registered on 31/10/1900 was a birth of a Thomas McAuley Woods, a male child born on 26/9/1900 to parents Thomas Woods and Maria Woods formerly Bolton. The birth was registered by the father. If it is a possibility that this is a birth connected with your family then it is worth looking at. At the time the birth was registered it seems that it was the intention of the parents to use the McAuley name.
Perhaps you could give the link to the birth registration for your relative...he has a different birth date as well 15/8/1900 to the birth to these parents - Thomas and Maria Woods. Perhaps the fathers were cousins?