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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kerry => Topic started by: jan carmody on Saturday 17 December 11 21:56 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for any information on Thomas Carmody (1854-1928) and Bridget Dunn (1848-1923), married in May 1876 and moved to Australia a month later...their parents were Thomas Carmody and Mary Danaher and Maurice Dunn and Mary Carmody. They were all from Beal, County Kerry. I am after information on their marriage in 1876 and their parents, if possible. Thank you in anticipation.
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have you checked the Co. Kerry parish records on www.irishgenealogy.ie ?
A church marriage may give the names of their fathers, if not a civil cert should.
See : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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are you sure about the date and location for the marriage of Thomas & Bridget ?
I'm not seeing any good matches around 1876 for them in either the Co. Kerry parish records or civil records...
Shane
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Thanks for your help Shane...I have always got stuck with anything further back. I have looked at the website you suggested before but with no success. I know for sure that they left for Australia from Greenock, Scotland in June 1876 and arrived in Queensland, Australia in November of the same year. All their children were born in Australia and their birth certificates state they were married in May 1876 (various dates on various certificates but all May), some look like they were married in Balleymoney but very hard to read. I wonder if they left Beal and married on the way to Greenock?? It has been very frustrating trying to find any sort of information about them in Ireland. Thanks...
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There are quite a few townlands in Ireland named Ballymoney.. but none that I'm aware of In Co. Kerry.
There are some public trees (maybe yours ?) on Ancestry with details of Thomas and Bridget which show a marriage in Ballymoney, Co. Donegal - which is about as far as you can get in Ireland from Co. Kerry.
One of these trees give a parish of birth for Thomas as 'Ballywigan' - which doesn't make much sense - it doesnt look like the name of a Kerry parish to me . If he was born in one of the Beal townlands (there's an East, Middle and West) and RC he should have been baptised in Listowel parish.
Shane
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I have had another look at the children's birth certificates; the eldest child (my grandfather) says they were married in Ballymoney but some of the other certificates say Ballybunnion, Kerry which makes much more sense. Still can't find them though!
I have a tree on Ancestry but it is private at the moment. Am happy to send you an invitation if you are able to access it. Thanks once more for your help.
Jan.
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What exactly do these birth certs state as the place of marriage - is there any chance that the place referred to is in Scotland ?
Nearly all of the RC and CofI parish records for Co. Kerry are online, including Listowel and Ballybunnion, but there's no sign of a marriage. Also no sign of a marriage on the Civil index anywhere in Ireland - which there should be, if it took place here. The closest matches for a Thomas Carmody marriage around the right time (i.e. between 1874-1878) are two in Limerick district in 1874 - but neither match up to a Bridget Dunn(e)
I'd be wary of following the other information further back until the details of marriage are established...
p.s. where did the Beal, Co. Kerry details come from ?
Shane
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Hi Shane,
The Beal, County Kerry details come from Bridget Carmody (nee Dunne) death certificate and some of the children's birth certificates.
Some of the children's birth certificates (they were all born in Australia) also state that they were married in Ballybunion, County Kerry, Ireland in May 1876.
I have been working on this branch of the family since 1983 but with no success in Ireland!!
Thanks again for your time and patience.
Jan.
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Hi Shane,
I have also found this on Google and it sounds very close to my Thoams Carmody but when you click on the link it says that the "church register page containing this record has not yet been imaged" ...
Baptism of THOMAS CARMODY of BEAL - Irish Genealogychurchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/.../4083fb1473492
Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - BALLYBUNION. Baptism of THOMAS CARMODY of BEAL on 18 December 1852.
Jan.
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Here's a working link to that baptism - not sure it fits though, parents are John Carmody and Mary Hassett, rather than Thomas Carmody and Mary Danaher as you had earlier.
Baptism of Thomas Carmody - 18 Dec 1852 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4083fb0038522)
I think it might be better to start your search in Ireland with the marriage, and work back from there. A cert for that should show father's names and occupations..
Shane
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Hi Shane,
That's certainly not the parents that I had...
Would love to start from their marriage certificate; if I could only find it!
Big mystery!
Jan.
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At least that baptism shows there was at least one Carmody family in Beal at around the right time, and a child named Thomas - it could be that something in the clues is slightly out. e.g. a date, location or the timeline
I think I searched before for a civil marriage around 1876, but will double check... certainly no sign of one that I can see in Co. Kerry. The closest entries on the BMD Index seem to be two Thomas Carmody marriages in 1874 in Limerick City district.
Shane
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Jan, might be a bit of a coincidence But i have been looking into this last year myself with no luck as items don't match. One of the sons, i suspect we are talking about the same family, was my grandfather William Maurice CARMODY , . I now live in Dublin in Ireland, originally from gippsland aus and was so interested in your discussion. That's if we are related? I was of the understanding they left Kerry, went to Dublin, got married then went to aus. However, can't find the wedding Certs. The problem i found with all the birth Certs in aus was the spellings were all messed up. Shane I had the birthplace as ballywigan as well, not aware of any ballywigan in Kerry. which threw me off, limerick sounds right to me. Where did you see that tree?
Jan, CARMODY is a name found in clare and kerry and even there it isn't that popular, really. I'm hoping for that reason it will be easier to chase the information. Tim
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Hi Tim,
So great to hear from you. Yes, we are related; William Maurice CARMODY was my 'Uncle Bill' and my father's brother. Dad was John Thoms Carmody (1910-1996) and I have lots of information about the family in Australia but have had no luck in Ireland. They definitely left form Greenock, Scotland aboard the 'Famenoth' in 1876...the closest I can get to where they lived is in Beal, County Kerry as that is on quite a few of the certificates I have. I agree about the spelling...it's very frustrating. I am happy to share with you any information I have about the CARMODY family.
I am assuming you are Denise's son as she was telling me about you just recently when she came to mum's funeral at the end of October, 2011.
Looking forward to hearing from you again,
Jan.
P.S. As Denise is my cousin, we must be second cousins!!!
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Jan,
I think he was born in ballyvegan, in Tralee, county Kerry. That's the closest I got to ballywigan. Do you think that suits your records? If it does I will try to find his birth cert. Irish system are currently being updated. Unfortunately not as good that far back. Yes Denise is my mum. If you need any assistance let be know? I will continue the hunt. Tim
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Hi Tim,
I have info with them both born in Beal, Kerry and other info connecting them to Ballybunnion, Beal. I think Beal and Ballybunnion are close to each other. It would be wonderful if you could find their marriage certificate...I have been looking for years!!!
If you message me your email address, I can send you my Ancestry Family Tree.
Cheers,
Jan.
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Beal is about 7km from Ballybunnion .. see : link (http://www.google.ie/maps?saddr=Beal,+Kerry&daddr=Ballybunnion&hl=en&ll=52.51246,-9.637756&spn=0.202673,0.370789&sll=52.457265,-9.578018&sspn=0.202928,0.370789&geocode=FdYcIgMdMuxs_ykF9ZP8gcRaSDGixroZqMcAJg%3BFag8IQMd92ps_ynDmYAy0MVaSDGA2DGXqccACg&oq=beal&mra=ls&t=m&z=11)
Shane
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Thanks Shane,
It's great to get a perspective like that...
They are very close to each other; it's more difficult to get that understanding whe you don't live in Ireland.
Jan.