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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Eds on Friday 30 December 11 01:21 GMT (UK)
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Hiding from me????
Mabel Wadey born 1906 ( on marr cert 1947 given age 41 and her father William deceased Married in Scaynes Hill to Ernest Edwards
I can only find a Mabel Wadey born 1906 with a father George. Cant find any Mabel/ William combo at all.
Suggestions greatly received
Eds
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If her birth was registered as Mabel, the only Mabel Wadey registered 2 years either side of 1906 was born in the Epsom district in the September quarter of 1905. (ref Epsom 2a 12) That slight adjustment may help find her. The Genes Index of the 1911 does have a Mabel born in Sutton 1906, living in Chichester, Could that be the one you found or another?
The Genes sequence of indexing does not clearly show who the parents are at that address, but it is probable that Mabel had a sibling called Leslie also born Sutton 1903. It is well worth inspecting the original for the shere jumble of Wadeys in Chichester with Sutton origins suggests there may be more than one Wadey family that had relocated there and Mabel may be sharing a Chichester address with a berieved mother, uncles, aunts and cousins.
Roy G
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Thank you for your reply Roy.
The Mabel you found in Sutton is the one I found and she is a daughter of George.
Thanks again
Eds
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I was about to comment that it looked as though your Mabel Wadey may have married twice, for there is also a marriage also in Chichester of the Mabel Wadey found on the 1911 census to Winston Wakeford in 1932. But that couple had 5 children born in the Chichester area between 1933-1948, the last being born after your Mabel's marriage to Ernest Edwards.
The alternative that now comes to mind is that your Mabel may have been registered under a different first name at birth, and chose to be Mabel later on. Check out the origins of the two witnesses on the M cert to see if one may have been a Wadey brother or a married sister, for finding them on the 1911 census could help you identify her.
Roy G
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Thanks again for your thoughts.
The marr cert has her as a spinster and the jolly witnesses only had their initials of their first names. One is a F. Wadey., the other G.A. Teague. The Teague maybe a marr sister, so ta for that thought. I will chase it up.
Eds
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Re Siblings: Rootschat does not favour publishing links to other websites, so I have to circumnavigate giving you an IP address for what I found. If you Google: ' Wadey Scaynes Hill' hopefully it will lead you to the lengthy Genes Reunited text about a Wadey family from that location. Below are three edited abstracts from Diana and Serena of Genes Reunited also claim to have a Mabel Wadey b1906 of Scaynes Hill in their ancestries which read as follows:
[1] Trying to find william george wadey born in scaynes hill sussex married ruth annie bartlett from kent. I know that he had brothers and sisters . he would have been born around 1900.
[2] he had a sister mable and my mother tells me he was born in scaynes hill . he died in 1972 and married in 1935.
[3] William G Wadey, Spouse Surname: Bartlett, Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1935, Cuckfield.
Whilst one piece suggests a possible connection with a Brighton Chimney sweep of that name, another says they believe the matriarch was a Chandler. If so,she must have been an Amelia Chandler who married William Wadey in Horsham district in 1912. So you may have to consider that your Wadey family includes half brothers and sisters and Mabel 1906 having a different mother or father. (Sorry, but you did say you wanted suggestions/ideas on this)
I found 10 Wadey marriages in Cuckfield district (includes Scaynes Hill) 1934-1947, and although Mabel was about 40 then, perhaps there could have been some later born half siblings of hers amongst those. For example, a Frederick J Wadey (the F?) married an Amelia Wadey in 1941.
Perhaps you may also be lucky and find ESRO or a major mid Sussex library still has an electoral role for Scaynes Hill district from the 1930s or late 1940s
Roy G
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Thanks again for your thoughts and suggestions.
I will see what I can find re your suggestions.
What would be REALLY great if the recorder for the marr cert made an error with the fathers and had repeated Ernest's father's name. ( William)
I suppose if all else fails the marr cert for William George will have his fathers name.
Ta again
Eds
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It is not uncommon for those with a first and second name to have a preference to use the second name even on official documents and for their children to then think that was the name they had been given at birth. (my father Ernest Christopher was always Chris). So when giving the details of a deceased George William to a registrar, a child could easily use the name their father was better known by.
Don't forget, having found no supporting evidence about Mabel's birth, it is quite possible that she too may have had her birth officially registered under another name. She could also have been born earlier than she said so compare the age on her death cert with that on her M cert. Often when no longer in the first flush of youth, the female of the species was not averse to hacking a few years off her actual age. Some remained in their late 30s for over a decade!
Also, look for her father's occupation. I noted on FreeBMD that a carter called Wadey had his child's birth registered in the Cuckfield district (Scaynes Hill?) but by the time the census was taken, the child was listed with the other siblings as having been born in Petworth.
Roy G
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Thanks again for your thoughts.
The marr cert has her as a spinster and the jolly witnesses only had their initials of their first names. One is a F. Wadey., the other G.A. Teague. The Teague maybe a marr sister, so ta for that thought. I will chase it up.
Eds
Don't forget that F Wadey could also be her sister in law- ie married to her brother. I don't suppose anyone in the family can remember her siblings names...............elderly aunts or uncles? Perhaps the ones you found on the 1911 census may ring some bells.
Carol
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Thank you Carol and Roy for your suggestions.
The fathers occupation is unknown, the marr cert only had "deceased"
The George Wadey on the 1911 census did not have any "F" children and Mabel was the only girl at that stage. He was a George Thomas :(
I found a Mabel Wadey d of William and Ellen born abt 1883 in Brighton. This would have made her 64 if she married Ernest. So a thought re fibs when married.
I am trying to find some more abt the Mabel Victoria Edwards who died in 1984 Brighton Dist, the birth year 1906. She would do very nicely if I could discover more details. What are the chances of her death cert having spouses name?
Eda
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I have had a look at the two Sussex born Mabel Wadeys, Brighton 1882 and Horsham 1894, but felt both were accounted for by other marriages. The Brighton one appears to have married Albert Timms (1914) and the one in Horsham Owen Williams 1913.
There are far too many Mrs Edwards and Ernest Edwards in local street directories to focus on any in particular, and the couple married late and appeared to have no children. I therefore feel your two best bets are to chase up those on Genes Reunited who appear to be descended from Mabel's siblings, or undertake an investigation of electoral records for the Scaynes Hill district 1930-1950.
Indexing Note: Serena & Diane on Genes with Mabel b1906 of Scaynes Hill in their ancestries, have both inadvertently spelled her name as MABLE.
Roy G
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Thanks very much indeed for your suggestions.
They say 2 heads are better than one, well I have had two extra help.
Eds
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Hello Eds
Been doing a bit of digging for your Mabel :)
I searched on FindMyPast for a Wadey birth ( did`nt put in Christian name) in Sussex,nothing comes up.
Maybe Mabel was`nt a Sussex girl & moved there.Also maybe her surname started out as WADE.
There is a Mabel Elizabeth Wade registered in Greenwich,1904
Q3 1D 1111
Due to Copyright Laws i cannot help with 1911
The above is only an idea.
Kind Regards
omega
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Greetings omega,
Another good thought, thank you very much indeed
Kind Regards
Eds
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Your Welcome Eds :)
Anything is worth a try.
Kind Regards
omega
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Hi serena , Have you any up date on your william george wadey please i hit the wall on this one thanks so much
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hello, sorry no i cant find him on his death they say his birth is 1908 but the 1939 reg say 1911 but i cant find him ,
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Mabel Wadey (mmn Hutson) in 1911.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amabel~%20%2Bsurname%3Awadey~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1905-1907~
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mabel married a Earnest edwards in 1947 that what i have
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MMN means Mothers Maiden Name.
Mabel Wadey is easily found on the 1939 register with her 1947 married name by the side.
The register was updated until 1991,so all females who married should have had their names updated.
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NAME: Mabel Wadey
GENDER: Female
MARITAL STATUS: Single
BIRTH DATE: 28/04/1904
RESIDENCE YEAR: 1939
ADDRESS: 1 South View Scaynes Hill
RESIDENCE PLACE: Cuckfield Sussex England
OCCUPATION: Ironer Laundress
SCHEDULE NUMBER: 147
SUB SCHEDULE NUMBER: 3